1997/04/28 15:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #199
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 199
Today's Topics:
Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Re: No sleep
Re: No one responding
MS
Re: MS
FW: Somebody (fwd)
Re: MS
Re: Dear confused in Gloria
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:39:45 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Indira Singh <76460.3057ATnospamCompuServe.com>
CC: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Message-ID: <3363C79F.3CD2ATnospamintercomm.com>
Indira Singh wrote:
>
> Interestingly enough, all of us do have out of body experiences when asleep -
> the problem is remembering and directing them. Reliance on "spirits" to help you
> remember is not as powerful as remembering on your own, and being in control of
> your own destiny. It can be very dangerous.
>
> Since you're from Brazil, you are probably aware of the work of Dr. Viera at the
> IIPC. All of the work you reference and Dr. Viera's work have some basis in
> "Spiritism" founded by the French documenter of mediums, Alan Kardec.
>
> It takes a very experienced and somewhat "ascended" person to work persistently
> in the spirit realm. It is not for beginner, but the brazilian spirit practices
> are becomeing very attractive to people in the West who are promised "instant
> psychic" and other powers. It doesn't happen that way. Much of the IIPC work for
> instance, denigrate Kundalini and Tantric work (calling it a perversion of
> sexual energy) - but instead, "satisfy" spirits helpers by taking care of their
> bodies in the way the spirits want them to (and there is emphasis on sexual
> energy) - in exchange for earthly "help". Although they tell practicioners to
> beware "vampirism" - in fact, they are participating in a kind of
> spirtual/energy vampirism. At the same time, they use kundalini exercises to
> manupulate energy, which can be exceedingly dangerous. There is no guidance in
> terms of helpful meditation, exercise, nutritional practice to help threal body deal with the energies.
>
In regards to out of body experiences, this is a natural part of the
awakening consciousness provided one has grounded spiritually into
divine will and understands the nature of te illusion the other side.
Unless one has mastered the ability to dscern spirits, and confront
forces from the Christ frequency then you can be easily mislead by
lower force energies.
The kundalini experience works hand in hand with spiritual law and when
one is devoted to God first, the way home is a easy natural process.
This is not about physic or out -of-body experience or traveling to
other worlds on your own steam, it is about union with the divine and
service to humanity. Is this the same coure talking about? Gloria
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:12:30 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Out-of-body experiences.
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>
>Indira Singh wrote:
>>
>> Interestingly enough, all of us do have out of body experiences when asleep -
>> the problem is remembering and directing them. Reliance on "spirits" to
help you
>> remember is not as powerful as remembering on your own, and being in
control of
>> your own destiny. It can be very dangerous.
>>
>> Since you're from Brazil, you are probably aware of the work of Dr. Viera
at the
>> IIPC. All of the work you reference and Dr. Viera's work have some basis in
>> "Spiritism" founded by the French documenter of mediums, Alan Kardec.
>>
>> It takes a very experienced and somewhat "ascended" person to work
persistently
>> in the spirit realm. It is not for beginner, but the brazilian spirit
practices
>> are becomeing very attractive to people in the West who are promised "instant
>> psychic" and other powers. It doesn't happen that way. Much of the IIPC
work for
>> instance, denigrate Kundalini and Tantric work (calling it a perversion of
>> sexual energy) - but instead, "satisfy" spirits helpers by taking care of
their
>> bodies in the way the spirits want them to (and there is emphasis on sexual
>> energy) - in exchange for earthly "help". Although they tell
practicioners to
>> beware "vampirism" - in fact, they are participating in a kind of
>> spirtual/energy vampirism. At the same time, they use kundalini exercises to
>> manupulate energy, which can be exceedingly dangerous. There is no
guidance in
>> terms of helpful meditation, exercise, nutritional practice to help
threal body deal with the energies.
>>
>In regards to out of body experiences, this is a natural part of the
>awakening consciousness provided one has grounded spiritually into
>divine will and understands the nature of te illusion the other side.
>Unless one has mastered the ability to dscern spirits, and confront
>forces from the Christ frequency then you can be easily mislead by
>lower force energies.
>
>The kundalini experience works hand in hand with spiritual law and when
>one is devoted to God first, the way home is a easy natural process.
>This is not about physic or out -of-body experience or traveling to
>other worlds on your own steam, it is about union with the divine and
>service to humanity. Is this the same coure talking about? Gloria
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi there, Indira and Gloria,
This is really interesting, I have a difficult time with this, because, I have
done the Holy Spirit Path which involves kundalini, and now I am doing
a( Shatki) Energy-Sorcerer Path. It is hard to discern being not the Path
of choice, because, it is also Holy to me, in that it is purifying
me, intensely. Now I have had aYogi Well-known Leader who told me
that the God Consciousness experience I had, was the Beginning of my Path,
now, I understand. Also, he said, that for most disciples,
it is good to do the top chakras developement, and
exploration, at first, and make them strong, so one has a reference point
to put their point of their consciousness in, after they are done exercising
with the elemental spirits,and various phenomina, so to speak. It takes
practice, and time, but if one has developed the quality of persistence, and
self-remembering, it is possible to have a safe journey through the earth's
wisdom.
Now, dealing with inner Gurus, and Infinity Teachers,
who are spirits, if they teach you
what is appropiate to you, and it is helping you understand the
nature of reality and infinity, hey, why knock it, but, it is wise
to have an inner Teacher who is experienced at this sort of thing,
and, for that, one must desire this to happen at some point in their
life, the teacher will almost always come when the student is ready,
If the student is ready, to study something other than the usual
path in which they are already well-versed in, the student must
be ready to give up preconceived boxed ideas about the Spirit
of man, and be ready to experience the Infinite in perhaps, a
different Way, and in manifold degrees. This is a way to
grow as a member of this creation, and that is to be willing to
experience it in full form, with the Guidance of a Teacher,
in the Spirit, a teacher with a physical body is great, but of course
the Spirit body of the Teacher is essential for many of us
in depth teaching and guidance principles.
It is difficult to do this Path alone, and usually, one can get
discouraged right at the beginning of the journey, so what I
am saying is that it is pretty hard to do the Real Path alone, unless
you are your own guru and have no problem with that idea. It
does develope the co-ordination powers between the body, mind,
soul, and spirit, so that the essential Being is one, and indivisible,
and able to explore Infinity on his own.
Raven
~V~
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:22:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Message-ID: <33645E5D.FCAATnospamintercomm.com>
-
> ---------------------------------------
> Hi there, Indira and Gloria,
> This is really interesting, I have a difficult time with this, because, I have
> done the Holy Spirit Path which involves kundalini, and now I am doing
> a( Shatki) Energy-Sorcerer Path. It is hard to discern being not the Path
> of choice, because, it is also Holy to me, in that it is purifying
> me, intensely. Now I have had aYogi Well-known Leader who told me
> that the God Consciousness experience I had, was the Beginning of my Path,
> now, I understand. Also, he said, that for most disciples,
> it is good to do the top chakras developement, and
> exploration, at first, and make them strong, so one has a reference point
> to put their point of their consciousness in, after they are done exercising
> with the elemental spirits,and various phenomina, so to speak. It takes
> practice, and time, but if one has developed the quality of persistence, and
> self-remembering, it is possible to have a safe journey through the earth's
> wisdom.
> Now, dealing with inner Gurus, and Infinity Teachers,
> who are spirits, if they teach you
> what is appropiate to you, and it is helping you understand the
> nature of reality and infinity, hey, why knock it, but, it is wise
> to have an inner Teacher who is experienced at this sort of thing,
> and, for that, one must desire this to happen at some point in their
> life, the teacher will almost always come when the student is ready,
> If the student is ready, to study something other than the usual
> path in which they are already well-versed in, the student must
> be ready to give up preconceived boxed ideas about the Spirit
> of man, and be ready to experience the Infinite in perhaps, a
> different Way, and in manifold degrees. This is a way to
> grow as a member of this creation, and that is to be willing to
> experience it in full form, with the Guidance of a Teacher,
> in the Spirit, a teacher with a physical body is great, but of course
> the Spirit body of the Teacher is essential for many of us
> in depth teaching and guidance principles.
> It is difficult to do this Path alone, and usually, one can get
> discouraged right at the beginning of the journey, so what I
> am saying is that it is pretty hard to do the Real Path alone, unless
> you are your own guru and have no problem with that idea. It
> does develope the co-ordination powers between the body, mind,
> soul, and spirit, so that the essential Being is one, and indivisible,
> and able to explore Infinity on his own.
> Raven
> ~V~
Raven,
I'm not sure I got what you are saying, can you clarify this for me?
And what is a skati-sorcerer path? And how did you get there, how did it
come to you? Gloria
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:52:23 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Out-of-body experiences.
Message-ID: <33646545.54CDATnospamintercomm.com>
> > Now, dealing with inner Gurus, and Infinity Teachers,
> > who are spirits, if they teach you
> > what is appropiate to you, and it is helping you understand the
> > nature of reality and infinity, hey, why knock it, but, it is wise
> > to have an inner Teacher who is experienced at this sort of thing,
> > and, for that, one must desire this to happen at some point in their
> > life, the teacher will almost always come when the student is ready,
> > If the student is ready, to study something other than the usual
> > path in which they are already well-versed in, the student must
> > be ready to give up preconceived boxed ideas about the Spirit
> > of man, and be ready to experience the Infinite in perhaps, a
> > different Way, and in manifold degrees. This is a way to
> > grow as a member of this creation, and that is to be willing to
> > experience it in full form, with the Guidance of a Teacher,
> > in the Spirit, a teacher with a physical body is great, but of course
> > the Spirit body of the Teacher is essential for many of us
> > in depth teaching and guidance principles.
> > It is difficult to do this Path alone, and usually, one can get
> > discouraged right at the beginning of the journey, so what I
> > am saying is that it is pretty hard to do the Real Path alone, unless
> > you are your own guru and have no problem with that idea. It
> > does develope the co-ordination powers between the body, mind,
> > soul, and spirit, so that the essential Being is one, and indivisible,
> > and able to explore Infinity on his own.
> > Raven
> > ~V~
>
> Raven,
> I'm not sure I got what you are saying, can you clarify this for me?
> And what is a skati-sorcerer path? And how did you get there, how did it
> come to you? Gloria
Also, in regards to the out of body master teachers that come, when you
come into contact with a being of Christ light out of the body there is
absolute knowing of what/who that is. I would like to add teachers of
Christ frequency don't announce their arrival with a name because when
the time the ego is gone the name is gone also. So it is best not to try
to apply human thoughts to this interior light, the CHRIST FREQUENCY IS
GOD IN THE IMAGE OF MAN OR THE SECOND PERSON OF GOD. GOD THE
FATHER/MOTHER IS PRESENT IN GOD THE SON, IT IS THE ABSOLUTE PURE
FREQUENCY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT TOUCHING YOU.
This is the mind misusing the pure light of God to create a thought of
what is happening.I always get a charge out of everyone naming their
teachers, they don't do this from their God form because they don't have
an identity. Does this make any sense to anyone?
Once this occurs you are being watched spiritually and guided and even
though you will meet lower forces to learn from them in terms of how to
see through them, and what there job is...to torment, manipulate, and
try to pull you away from the light. This is all a part of the
purification by fire that will happen within as you burn out the
ego/shadow. BUT, YOU HAVE HELP ONCE THIS HELP FREQUENCY OF THE HOLY
SPIRIT HAS ENTERED INTO YOU. UNTIL THIS HOWEVER, I SUGGEST GREAT
CAUTION. GLORIA
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:12:40 -0700
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: No sleep
Message-ID: <3364DA88.5660ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
> i am often curious about the faces behind the posts. What about
> pictures??? I could publish them on the web under an adress ONLY WE
see my striking likeness at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/personal.htm
see pictures of my altered egos at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/quotes.htm
see a picture of my True Selves at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/
looking forward to pictures of Mad Tom, Yogi Tom, Burnt Fingers Tom,
Sufi Tom, Snake Handler Tom, Used Car Salesman Tom, Sex Machine Tom,
and all the myriad Toms of all the myriad Tom-Buddha-Lands, as
numberless as the sands of the Ganges...
love, ya'll
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:49:51 +0100
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: No one responding
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Hi there,
hope you are feeling better, the digests are awful. dont know about the
books, and what is going on, who knows. but, it seems that we all
just love to pick up any nonsense at all and put our 2 sense worth in.
smile, think of it as shooting the holy Breeze with ol'timers.
Raven
~V~
At , you wrote:
>At 11:02 AM 4/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I sent this message on Thursday and no one responded.
>>
>>:-(
>>Monica
>>----------
>>> From: Monica <mgoodsonATnospamonr.com>
>>> To: celestine-lATnospamnewciv.org
>>> Subject: Please read for everyone/ 4 subjects
>>> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 12:47 PM
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>>
>>> There are 4 subjects. I am doing this out of lazyiness and to cut down
>>on
>>> the number of e-mails ya'll get. (Yes, I am Texan)
>>>
>>> 1. Digest Mode
>>>
>>> I have subscribed to two e-mail lists both of them say something about a
>>> digest mode. What is it and what is the difference between it and just
>>> being on the list?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Friendship Factor
>>>
>>> A counsellor suggested I read a book called The Friendship Factor by Alan
>>> Loy McGuinnes a few years ago. I wasn't in the right state of mind to be
>>> open to it, but recently I got it and a read it in one day (which is very
>>> unusal for me because I usually take a few weeks to read a book because I
>>> am a slow reader.) Anyway, I thought this book was beautiful and filled
>>> with insight about love and loving. So I wanted to share that with
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> 3. Gary's leaving, and other mails, like Defending Beliefs
>>>
>>> I have been sick with a cold and skipping over alot of the mail like this
>>> or just reading a few lines of it. Could someone out there please give
>>me
>>> some idea about what is going on with these posts? It seems like a
>>> discussion or arguement which I missed the beginning part of and I am
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> 4. If you would like to respond to me privately on any or all of these
>>> subjects you may e-mail me at mgoodsonATnospamonr.com
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Love and Light
>>> Monica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:58:20 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: MS
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>The body needs minerals to run electricity. Especially zinc and copper.
>Too much of a good thing? My clints with MS and other nervous system
>disorders have dramatic improvement with mineral supplements.
>Morgana
Hi Morgana,
My father was recently diagnosed with "progressive" MS. He's always on the
lookout for new and experimental treatments. Do you, or any other list
members, have specific suggestions? Also, he lives in Pittsburgh--do you
know of people there that might be able to help? Sorry for going off
topic.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:32:33
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: MS
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970427163233.2f179fe4ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 15:58 28/04/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>The body needs minerals to run electricity. Especially zinc and copper.
>>Too much of a good thing? My clints with MS and other nervous system
>>disorders have dramatic improvement with mineral supplements.
>>Morgana
>
>Hi Morgana,
>
>My father was recently diagnosed with "progressive" MS. He's always on the
>lookout for new and experimental treatments. Do you, or any other list
>members, have specific suggestions? Also, he lives in Pittsburgh--do you
>know of people there that might be able to help? Sorry for going off
>topic.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Jim
>
>
>
I have heard some folks have been getting extraordinary unusual
unexplained results healing MS with horseback riding as therapy. Some
unknown human/horse reiki perhaps? Worth mentioning to him... I saw it on
TV, a woman's story, she discovered it when she was trying to lift her
spirits by seeing how many of her favorite childhood activities she could
still participate in. She felt so much better she got her MS support groups
to try it out, and others started getting better, too.
She went from being in a wheelchair, to being symptom free as long as she
rides a few times a week.
They have special saddles for those who are expereincing paralysis, etc. I
think the program about this riding academy/MS therapy centre might have
been local, but if your friend can find a supportive stable, it might be
worth trying out himself.
even, a strong horse and riding double, with someone to hold him on might
be a good way to start.
Blessings, Angelique.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Hector Louis Berlioz
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of
something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide
review board
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:34:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: FW: Somebody (fwd)
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>
><forwards deleted>
>>
>>>>> > Right now..
>>>>> > -somebody is thinking of you.
>>>>> > -somebody is caring about you.
>>>>> > -somebody wants to be with you
>>>>> > -somebody hopes you aren't in trouble
>>>>> > -somebody wants to hold your hand
>>>>> > -somebody is praying for you.
>>>>> > -somebody hopes everything turns out alright
>>>>> > -somebody wants you to be happy
>>>>> > -somebody wants you to find him/her
>>>>> > -somebody IS him/her
>>>>> > -somebody wants to give you a gift
>>>>> > -somebody hopes you're not too cold, and not too hot
>>>>> > -somebody wants to hug you.
>>>>> > -somebody loves you.
>>>>> > -somebody is thinking of you and smiling.
>>>>> > -somebody wants to be your shoulder to cry on.
>>>>> > -somebody wants to go out with you and have a lot of fun.
>>>>> > -somebody wants you to believe in yourself and know they
>>>>> > believe in you
>>>>> > -somebody wants you to know you are always in his/her heart
>>>>> > -somebody wants you to know that you are a part of
>>>>> > him-her...no matter how near or close you may be...
>>>>> > -somebody is playing a song that you love
>>>>> > -somebody is helping you without your knowledge
>>>>> > -somebody is your friend
>>>>> > -somebody misses you more than you know
>>>>> > -somebody is waiting for you
>>>>> > You don't have to send this to all of your friends. Those to whom you
>>>>> > do send it, however, I believe would appreciate it. Add to it as you
>>>>> > pass along for the little or big things in life you want your
>>>>> > friends to have and to know. Sometimes, in the hustle and bustle
>>>>> > of life, we neglect our friends, and these little things that
>>>>> > friendships entail. These things are precious, as are our friends.
>>>>> > They are forever. Don't let them go.
>>>>>
>>>>> **********************
>>>>>
>>>>> Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
>>>>> the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did
>>>>> do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe
>>>>> harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
>>>>> Dream. Discover.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>> **********************
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
-- Hector Louis Berlioz
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of
something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide
review board
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:51:32 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Jim B <JimBATnospampitnet.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: MS
Message-ID: <33651BE4.2952ATnospambest.com>
Jim B wrote:
>
> >The body needs minerals to run electricity. Especially zinc and copper.
> >Too much of a good thing? My clints with MS and other nervous system
> >disorders have dramatic improvement with mineral supplements.
> >Morgana
>
> Hi Morgana,
>
> My father was recently diagnosed with "progressive" MS. He's always on the
> lookout for new and experimental treatments. Do you, or any other list
> members, have specific suggestions? Also, he lives in Pittsburgh--do you
> know of people there that might be able to help? Sorry for going off
> topic.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim
Jim,
This is where healers can get into real trouble with the authority
structure, by "prescribing". So, this is not at all a prescription.
I like the brand "Young Living", they have a MINERAL ESSENCE which is
readily assimilated by the body. You also need a virus killer, and I've
seen the results of one very expensive product called Vitae Elixer,
quite impressive, but I don't know of a supplier. You might also try
concentrated dried aloe vera. Young Living has a type of Pau D'Arco that
I would trust more than an over-the counter brand.
Young Living: 1-800-763-9963
They have remarkable products. I choose not to retail products, but if
you like their products and want to sell them I believe this is a
multi-level company.
Morgana
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:13:33
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Dear confused in Gloria
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List Mystress call: Foul, Gloria!
Deliberately promoting religous hatred on K.List.
Your post about your friend who was "helped" by prayer was quite rich in
the type of pro christian, anti-evrything else inaccurate propaganda that
Church genocide policies such as the Holocaust of the Burning times were
based on.
I suspect that Lobster's assessment of your friend as a con artist is
likely correct.
I let the first post slip, thinking perhaps you had been taken in, anyone
can err.
Most folks who have been on the list more than five minutes know that
only Christians become Satanists... nobody else can, because nobody else
believes in Satan...
>> Gloria Greco wrote:
>>
>
>HI,
> I'm certainly not saying that I bought into his message, but I found
>him very interesting and very much a character. He very well may be
>using it for fame and money as well, but that isn't up to me to judge.
> He represents a segment of the population of which there are many
>segments, aren't there. The truth is on the inside and not the outside,
>yet many folks don't know that and continue to seek for something
>magical out there, the illusion is strong. Of course, many of them would
>look at the k-list with the same feelings now wouldn't they? Gloria
>
Reading this I get that you knew his story was unlikely true, but posted
his inaccurate statements anyway.
Yes, Gloria, it is up to you to judge.
If you judge something as likely bullshit, especially if it contains what
you know to be slander of other religions and beliefs, I hope in future you
have better judgement than to spread it around K. list.
This is meant to be a forum of tolerance, with understanding that only
the individual can know what path is right for them. Unfortunately the
Christian Churches have a nasty history of intolerance, and you seem to
have a knack for manifesting examples of that for us. I write thus,
knowing I am not the only person on the list who equates your name with
Christian intolerance. Is this how you want to be percieved?
Just today you posted questions of Raven's Sorceress experiences, which I
am curious to learn more of, as well....but before she could respond you
posted judgements and warnings about how it could only be done safely from
a Christian perspective...!
While she had mentioned having had experience of the Holy spirit...as
have I, tho I am a pagan Witch.
It appeared to me that you were more interested in expressing your
preconceptions than discovering the truth of her experience, as she sees it.
There are many Christians on the list that value your advice, and I am
grateful you are there to support them. I often find some universal wisdom
in your posts.
Having been raised Roman Catholic myself, tho...in exclusively Roman
catholic schools... I know that Christ never spoke a single word against
gentiles and pagans, but rather encouraged tolerance by using them as
examples of generosity in his parables.
I hope that you can find that tolerance inside yourself in future,
because it is a standard that K. list aspires to... in knowing that each of
us must listen to the Voice of our own heart, and choose our own path.
Know that there are Witches and Illuminati on the list. Respect this
shared space.
And should a Satanist join the list, I would expect their beliefs to be
given respect as possibly the best path for them, as well .... without a
herd of well meaning Christians dabbling in dark magic themselves, by using
prayer to coerce the beliefs of another without their consent.
I know you have a lot of love for this list, Gloria... which in my mind
contradicts the idea of spewing hate literature on it.
I know that for some Christians hatred of other religions is considered a
holy cause. The KKK is a Christian organization that sees no inconsistency
in loving Jesus and hating black people, even if they are also
Christian...go figure.
Perhaps it is my bias that I would probably have more tolerance for a
Satanist than for a Klan member... should one find thier way onto the list.
It may be that those outside the list might judge us harshly, but for
many, especially those whose spiritual path is well off the mainstream,
this list should be a safe haven from that kind of ignorant judgement. As
you say, there is plenty of it in real life already, we don't need it here.
Please excercise better judgement yourself, in future.
Blessings, List Mystress.
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