1997/04/23 08:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #186
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 186
Today's Topics: Question for Tom - a few answers.......
Swami Savitripriya's whereabouts Re: Say a little prayer for the flood??
Re: dead snake question
Acupuncture Re: mind
Re: Question for Tom - a few answers....... Re: mind
Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!! Re: synchron-seder
mind your Mind Re: mind
Re: dead snake and left feet Re: mind your Mind
Re: dead snake Re: Some Ado About Nothing
Re: The Power Of Love Re: dead snake -left footed snake
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:20:19 +0100 From: Tom Aston
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Indira Singh Subject: Question for Tom - a few answers.......
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In message , Indira Singh writes
>Tom, >
>Have you heard of "other methods", other energy practices that aren't called >kundalini, but which definitely use techniques to raise kundalini? In other
>words, the participants think they are doing some new age generic "energy work" >but in fact they are treading on dangerous ground?
> >If you have, can you list some of them here.
> >Thank you,
>Indi-Anna S. >
Er, well, it's amazing what we get up to in the privacy of our front rooms and in the name of spiritual practice....virtually anything's
possible...and in my early days wrestling with shakti i tried many of them if only for a short while...as i was pretty desperate to somehow
control this energy, when the whole point was that it wanted to control me and burn up my ego....and all i had to do ultimately was to
cooperate, not fight it
one or two methods, which i will not describe here because someone will no doubt try them out (!!!), made me very psychic in a rather crazy way
so i stopped them immediately, the rest were mostly futile and had little or no effect or simply wasted time and energy in unnecessary
practices.
in short, kundalini is like mountaineering, there are risks but one tries to minimise them through prudence and care...even then, there will
probably be times of crisis and despair, but how else could it be if we are to grow ?
and on the way up the mountain one may have to use various techniques
and outside aids and rely on climbers past and present to help and advise...
a bit of intelligent improvisation can go a long way, so long as it's
rooted in a firm foundation of the general principles involved with shakti....
i suppose the best thing someone could have told me on starting out was
that it would be one great therapeutic process of integration, purification and transcendence of ego and conditioning...
and, like being on the psychiatrist's couch, there's not much need to do
a lot, just let it all come out and understand one's true spiritual nature.
stillness and non-effort can be the ultimate trip with shakti....
if one does do something then it's probably best to be very careful to
start out with and remain flexible as one's conditioning and the shakti do not always overlap in their ideas of what our vocation may be....
i also wish someone had explained about the importance of nurturing and
acknowledging and integrating the various aspects of the psyche such as the inner child, the wise old woman, the sex god and goddess, the king
and queen, the prince and princess, the warrior and the fool, the beast and the devil.....(this is where both psychotherapeutic theories and
paganism can be useful, as well as the various daka and dakini of Buddhism and Hinduism)
as it took a while to see that all these aspects of one's being could
co-exist on many levels in many different ways....and there was no need to identify with any one particular aspect of being....and again, there
wasn't much to do, just acknowledge them and let them be, a bit like planting and nurturing flowers in a garden - of course shakti eventually
transfomred the energies of the beast and the devil into something a lot nicer !
there are so many levels of being and worlds to be created and destroy
with kundalini that i'm loathed to suggest any "dangerous" or even safe practices apart from very simple yogic exercises to clear the energy
flow through the body and perhaps some straightforward awareness and centring exercises from martial arts and Oriental healing.
a pure diet is the easiest way to gradually purify the body, and deep
sleep and relaxation the simplest ways to integrate the psyche
i go with the mystics in general...listen to the heart, inquire within and without and learn to acknowledge and trust the answers and
intuitions one discovers as they can often be very subtle in comparison to the conventional certainties most of life is based on.
in general, it's probably not such a good idea to break the more
conventional spiritual principles unless you have a very good reason to do so or have run out of options.....
in the end you're alone with shakti, or so it seems at times, and only
you can know if you made the right choices.....so i recommend gently acknowledging that one is responsible on a metaphysical level for
whatever happens, even if we love to be a victim....ignorance is not an option with shakti if things start to go wrong....
commonsense rather than esoteric curiosity can help at the start, but i
found there was an esoteric understanding i soon had to acquire before things could begin to run their course.....
and where does that understanding come from ? the gurus and the stars,
my friend, so keep a look out ! but even these ultimately reside in the heart....
and there is the ultimate kundalini exercise, dwelling in the heart, now
that i can recommend to you.
failing that take a long hot bath and just let go.....
or lie on the floor and let the back melt into the ground.....
or go see a sympathetic holistic bodyworker....
or say a sincere and silent prayer to whatever force or deity or intelligence is appropriate to your needs...
or go barefoot in the park...skinny dipping in a cool lake...tai chi on
a mountain top.....soak up some sun...soak up some pure literature or scriptures....read some poetry and weep...acknowledge the true nature of
other and just witness the wonder of life and death....
most of my yoga has been done in the bath, in bed (alone with the goddess of my dreams !!!) and just sitting Zen style, doing nothing
whatsoever....
the tube and the bus have been good sources of insight and mystical experience too.....
a website will open soon revealing these gems of handling shakti/being
handled by shakti and cooperating and life in general !!!!
make it simple, make it sincere and keep listening to the heart....
and then there's the ultimate spiritual technique which is........
SPIRITUAL FRIENDSHIP, which is what i regard the list as in some ways,
a spiritual friend can manifest in many ways, not all of them easy to explain, so remain open to many sources but be discriminating in which
ones you take to heart....
Yogi "burnt fingers" Tom --
Tom Aston Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:45:49 +0800
From: Mohanamurali Parasuraman To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear list members
I wonder if any of you have heard of Swami Savitripriya. She used to be in Groveland California and her ashram has had different names -- Holy Mountain
Monastery, Shiva-Shakti Ashram ................
The last I heard she was in Mexico. I have heard she is a powerful Kundalini master. I would really appreciate if anybody could let me know of
her whereabouts.
Rgds Mohan Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:50:21
From: Ed Johnson To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>At 15:11 21/04/97 EDT, you wrote: >>Hi everyone!
>> >>I'm sure many of you have witnessed the devastation in Grand Forks North
>Dakota! >>Well, that same Red River is on it's was to my home town - Winnipeg,
>>Manitoba (Canada). >>Although I don't live there anymore, the majority of my family and many
>>friends do. >>They are expecting the worse flooding in 500 years!
You know, Mo, in spite of how bad it is going to get there some
unbelievably nice benefits to accrue.
When Victoria was hit with five feet of snow and nothing moved for days this past winter, people are still talking about how strangers helped
strangers. Everyone pitched in and set up local communications centers, shoveled out whole streets, used their skidoos to get people to hospitals,
etc. etc. An extremely warm and pleasant feeling pervaded everyone and I am sure we were all lifted up ever so lightly.
And now I see Winnipegians manning the dikes together piling sandbags.
So amidst the fear, God is working silently. And you're right, a few prayers sent their way wouldn't hurt either.
ed.
PS. Gumboots (eng. Wellingtons) rubber boots. De rigeur in rainy climes.
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: dead snake
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Early on, many times when my shakti was running like a wild roller coaster, she'd start a new and wild trip from my big left toe. The night I first felt
electricity surging, crazing, racing, playing through my body (I knew NOTHING about Kundalini and lay in bed in alternating half crazed fear and laughter
and amusement) she started then too in my left toe. I remember reading of others having similar experiences, so I gather it is fairly common.
Years ago I had a quick and bad reaction to a drug used when I had a molar
pulled at the dentists. That reaction started in my left toe and traveled up to my heart. The doctor said that reactions frequently start at the farthest
point from the heart???? Today, shakti feels more integrated, but I could miss those wild "big toe
starts" if I wanted.....at the very least they were exciting, as I never knew where we were going!
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:20:07 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galvan Ph.D"
To: "kundalini-l" Subject: question
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A quick question for all you academics and esoteric experts....
A phrase or name came up for me in a deep expirience as part of a vision (native
american in content). i have not been able to translate or develop any associations, so... The phrase is "tse namah" (tsee-na-mah). any
hits? the other name or word that was associated with it was "ahnka". they may
form a phrase together so feel free to create anagrams or whatever. i've been sitting with this for a year without success so any help would be
appreciated.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:21:46 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galvan Ph.D"
To: Subject: Acupuncture
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Do you see any contraindication to use acupucture when the energy is disturbing you very badly?
Love
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From: Sunil R Peswani To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: mind
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On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/22/97 1:09:31 AM, you wrote: >
> >As one goes up plane by plane in meditation or in higher form of > > life of casual body, kalapa of his body will change and
> > will have higher viberatory element. > > If he measures speed of light it will be much less say 150000 km
> > per sec. > > Time will dilate for him to four times. He will feel that time
> > moves slowly for him. If he plays cricket or tennis the > > ball will move towards him at one fourth speed and he
> > will have all the time in the world to hit back and win. >
> Kool, but do you know of a method for achieving this phenomenon, I'd like to > acend the planes, but what methods exsist?
> Yes , there is a method or there are many methods .
I intend to write on method that has suited me and I am successfully following it . My method is Suniata meditation. In brief it is method of
being in CHOICELESS AWARENESS in VIPPASSNA meditation. I shall very much write in extensive detail about this method...Inshallah(God willing)
after i come back from holiday after 10 days. ram
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:43:35 -0400
From: Doug Houston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> one or two methods, which i will not describe here because someone will > no doubt try them out (!!!), made me very psychic in a rather crazy way
> so i stopped them immediately, the rest were mostly futile and had > little or no effect or simply wasted time and energy in unnecessary
> practices.
So if it didn't work for you nobody else should try it??? Different strokes for different folks Is there a big "I" here
> > in short, kundalini is like mountaineering, there are risks but one
> tries to minimise them through prudence and care...even then, there will > probably be times of crisis and despair, but how else could it be if we
> are to grow ? >
Exactly! I am a mountaineer, last week I had one of the best climbs of my life... solo.
Not folowing the rules. Guidebooks describe climbs, they don't say don't do this one "I" fell on
it. I have spent the last twenty years trying to get out of the hole my big
brother (with the best of intentions) left me in, he tried to protect me from myself, one has to make their own choices and mistakes. Withholding
information just makes people crazy and work haarder to find the occult you have created.
> and on the way up the mountain one may have to use various techniques
> and outside aids and rely on climbers past and present to help and > advise...
Ask any mountaineer the best ascents are either first ascents or with as
little prior knowledge as possible. >
> > i also wish someone had explained about the importance of nurturing and
> acknowledging and integrating the various aspects of the psyche such as > the inner child, the wise old woman, the sex god and goddess, the king
> and queen, the prince and princess, the warrior and the fool, the beast > and the devil.....(this is where both psychotherapeutic theories and
> paganism can be useful, as well as the various daka and dakini of > Buddhism and Hinduism)
> I'd love to here more
>
> > in general, it's probably not such a good idea to break the more
> conventional spiritual principles unless you have a very good reason to > do so or have run out of options.....
We're talking K here, what is conventional?
> in the end you're alone with shakti, or so it seems at times, and only > you can know if you made the right choices....
>
> and where does that understanding come from ? the gurus and the stars, > my friend, so keep a look out ! but even these ultimately reside in the
> heart....
> > or go barefoot in the park...skinny dipping in a cool lake...tai chi on
> a mountain top..
Yesssss Yessss I love it
.soak up some pure literature or > scriptures....
Please define pure literature?
>
> > Yogi "burnt fingers" Tom
> -- > Tom Aston
When you were a kid did you listen to your mom, or did you have to burn
your fingers to REALLY KNOW the stove was hot?
Namaste
Lots of love
Doug Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: M To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 12:16 PM 4/22/97 -0400, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote: >
>In a message dated 4/22/97 1:09:31 AM, you wrote: >
>>As one goes up plane by plane in meditation or in higher form of >> life of casual body, kalapa of his body will change and
>> will have higher viberatory element. >> If he measures speed of light it will be much less say 150000 km
>> per sec. >> Time will dilate for him to four times. He will feel that time
>> moves slowly for him. If he plays cricket or tennis the >> ball will move towards him at one fourth speed and he
>> will have all the time in the world to hit back and win. >
>Kool, but do you know of a method for achieving this phenomenon, I'd like to >acend the planes, but what methods exsist?
>
I am tempted to reply in serious jest:
as with getting to Carnegie Hall practice, practice, practice...
from the Truth According to Vaudville.
M
PS Intent and a pure heat help too.
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:02:52 +0100 From: vic bonds
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
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Hi Peter,
I have to disagree on the Kundalini factor you brought up, about the kundalini actually may discourage birth rates, in fact, I believe it
encourages it, in that, when a culture is starving, they are fasting and facing death, they
make more babies, in order that the group of them collectively survives,( this
you may see very evidently, in countries which are very very very poor and starving.)
Therefore, the k factor is more likely to rise up (fasting and prayer are conducive to raising the Kundalini and also bringing down the Holy Spirit.)
Raven ~V~
>
>> Why is the human race not enlightened already if people have known of >> Kundalini for all this time.
> >good question, forgive me if i vent my crackpot theory about that:
> >because K confers no reproductive advantage to the individual, only to
>the culture (via healing, weather modification, migration strategy >etc).
>K is probably a reproductive disadvantage on an individual basis. >so, historically, it is sufficient for the survival
>advantage of a tribe if only a few people in the tribe are K aware. >
>which is why shamans, schizophrenics, epileptics, and K awakened >all have about the same population percentages, 1-2%.
> >though nowadays, what with the global crises, the equation is changed
>somewhat, and it probably does behoove us all to take the proactive >course re K, or rather, let K take the proactive course with us?
> >either way...
> >cheers
> >
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: M
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: synchron-seder
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At 10:20 AM 4/22/97 -0500, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>Speaking of synchronicity, as somebody was...I'll continue my little >story of my Mom dying and my subsequent vision quest via Allied from LA
>to DC. The synchronicities have been flying fast and furious since I >got on the plane. Last night I held a Passover Seder and one of my
>guests pulled me aside and said his lover (whom I'd just met) had begun >to get "messages" all of a sudden and needed to speak to me so I went
>and got him, the lover, and he said this woman kept coming to him >saying he was going to her daughter's for dinner that night and he was
>to tell her thus and so (mundane matters meaningful only to me) and >that she was fine. As some of you may recall, I was in a dilemma
>before she died as to whether I should tell her how HER mother had come >to me because Mom was pretty much an atheist/sceptic. Seems now she's
>got the handle on the this stuff, wherever it is she is, she's talking >to whoever's got a channel open! Love, Holly
Holly, I love this story. My Mom is having communication problems since having a stroke and a 'host of heavenly advisors' have convinced me not to
interfere or try other means of communication with her. It has been very interesting indeed. I'll know she's figured it out when a friend of a
friend ... or something similar, brings me word from her. It will be a delight and a comfort! M
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:57:59 -0700 From: E Jason
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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david bozzi wrote:
> > > > Ego: "What if All is NOT One?"
> > In Kabbalah for instance > > the moment at which God Creates the Universe
> > is the precise moment at which God comes into Being
> Jason, >
> God being eternal cannot have a moment in which to begin.
Well said! The moment of Creation is the moment of Being
The point of creation is eternaly NOW . . .
> God is beyond time.
When? :0
> Time(duality) is a mere reflection of God.
> God does not create the universe.(illusion.) > Nor is it experienced by God.
When does God not create the universe?
The idea of illusion is illusionary. Who knows what God experiences - do you?
> God only knows Himself. > The Truth of Unity.
What about the Truth of Multiplicity
(God and Illusion for example)?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:45:21 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani To: E Jason
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: mind
Message-Id:
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, E Jason wrote:
> David wrote:
> > > > Ego: "What if All is NOT One?"
> > This is described in the idea that beyond
> the Monad is the Multiplicity > One is dependent on Everything
> and Everything on One > In Kabbalah for instance
> the moment at which God Creates the Universe > is the precise moment at which God comes into Being
> You want to think about such things :) Well let me change my earlier version a little bit.
some of the matter or energy through the process of life has reached JUST NEAR (but not exactly) the state of Omnipresent and Omnipotent state of
kalapa. The process continues with time because now it is not timeless but just near it.So time moves though very very slowly for that kalapa.
Hence not being perfect it is unbecoming. It is becoming thro the process of life but unbecoming with time.
Am I right Jason now ????> It is enough to tie a knot in a
Serpent :) > In alchemy Uroborous the Serpent that swallows his own tail > also regurgitates at the same time
> Becoming and also dissolving > Being and Not Being
> And you thought Chakra clearing was fun? >
> but your question was really about feelings > of seperation or non-unity
> The reason is you are trying to get somewhere you already are >
> How to Be: > Involvement with reality.
> Certain forms of excessive meditation > can lead to over emphas
is of processing. No no jason. All humans are not same.
It is like all humanity is climbing a hill carrying the egos as an offering to the top of the mountain.
The process of climbing requires effort and causes pain. Some get tired soon and offer their ego to beloved.
Some carry it further and then get tired and offer it to Guru. Some still further to help fill the intermittent staation so that
others can go to the top. And some erode away reaching the top with whatever egos they have
carried after collecting it from others like Buddha did. No one reaches the top and the process of becoming and unbecoming goes
on. No , not a good story if it never ends.
Every one climbs up as per his seed of ego. Those who reach the stage where they shed their ego earlier or later
will say what you said above. Some will say it now and some will say the same thing later like me.> > A
Zen monk went to see his old Gran > "Gran I can not still my mind?" > "The wood needs chopping," said his Gran.
> After finishing the monk said, > "Gran, whilst chopping the wood - I was thinking of the solution . . ."
> "That's your problem," interrupted his old Gran, > "Always trying to do two things at once . . . "
> >
> Most Kind Regards > Lobster
> >
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:09:55 -0700 From: Morgana Wyze
To: Paul Ellis CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> > Anyone else know about possible significance of this left foot location?
> > Best to you,
> Paul
I don't know, but at the time my K experience started I experienced severe pain in the left foot. Strangely, it has just returned, and sits
in the center of the foot chakra. I can't find any emotional content in the pain, and the center of my foot pulses wildly. There is a
contraction along the left side of my body, front and back, including the head.
My chiropractor and rolfer think that this is very strange. I can't find an accupunturist who can explain it or tie it to an energy
meridian. Morgana
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Atrious77ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: mind your Mind
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Lobster , I am gona ask a simple question , Do you believe in GOD ? If so in what manner , form , and extent ?
Atrious Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:27:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Atrious77ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I have heard alot about energy starting at the left foot or so . My question
is thi have noticed my energy most often starts at my right foot and some times stops at the base of my spine , is this normal , how do i raise the
energy further? Egerly Awaiting Answers ,
Atrious Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:11:51 -0700
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Haven't posted in a while ... many things ... reasons ... unimportant.
Nothing? Singularity? Just the brief observation of the terrifyingly
awesome POTENTIALITY in 'nothing' is enough to make me break out in a sweat. Looking closely at 'space' with my mind's eye revealing a
seething hell of probable-potential-entity-non-entity-existant-non-existant events
brought to mind the rambling dis-/re-/ex-cursive dialogues of Buckminster Fuller.
Yeah, I thought he was nuts too, until, like him with his lifelong severe non-/my-opia, I shut my eyes and looked (actually, due to a
spontaneous awakening I was involuntarily shown). Words and especially mundane language serve as poor vehicles to convey the
actuality/potentiality/fuzziality of what is truly/philosophically/maddeningly-undefinably/ineffably behind the
mask/words/dance-of-the-nataraja that is I-AM-THAT-I-AM/AL-LAH/Unity/The-ALL/Nothingness.
The buffoon hears that 'nothing' is the goal and when he arrives at the quiet mind, sits in ignorant bliss. The
sterling-thunderbolt/dorje/big-bang that IS the 'nothing' is beyond; having shut his eyes, he now looks with a blind 'eye'.
Just some ignorant ramblings from one who hasn't a mystical-sheepskin from the Esoteric School of Enlightenment. Pay no attention to the man
behind the curtain - I AM THE GREAT OZ!
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT, Dan-RF (RamblingFuller)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The Power Of Love
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lobster I love you. You know how to use this list and how to live.ALL THE BEST to Steve
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
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Altho now quiet mine started with the left foot.
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