1997/04/22 16:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #185
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 185
Today's Topics:
Re: Hardly soft . . .
God
synchron-seder
Re: mind
Re: Psychic self-defense
Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Re: Psychic self-defense
Re: Rules rule
Re: mind
Re: Hardly soft . . .
Re: Death of Ego
Thank you
Re: Death of Ego
Parental control
Re: a glimpse of the future
Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Re: Some Ado About Nothing
Re: dead snake
The Power Of Love
Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Another newbie post
h mmm
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:58:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Atrious77ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hardly soft . . .
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Lobster i heard mention of a web site . Do you have one? If so whats the
adress i would be interested in reading the contents as your incites and puns
have been most interesting.
Atrious
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:42:06 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: DavidATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: God
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Ram said he was an atheist.
Penoflove said "there is God". All love persons have no problem
about God. And she left the list before I could ask her.
Buddha said " God is not relevent for now , remain with the truth
which you see."
Inner voice says "sit ,meditate and search , the answer is PROBABLY
further ahead"
Lobester is happy and all smiles in mysterous way.
Ram is in PAIN....PAIN...PAIN for all last five years. No answer???
Christ and Morgana wyze will advice SURRENDER your pain
Ram says... not now , I will still search
P.S:- Afew pages for expression on pain when I come back from holiday.
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:20:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: synchron-seder
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Speaking of synchronicity, as somebody was...I'll continue my little
story of my Mom dying and my subsequent vision quest via Allied from LA
to DC. The synchronicities have been flying fast and furious since I
got on the plane. Last night I held a Passover Seder and one of my
guests pulled me aside and said his lover (whom I'd just met) had begun
to get "messages" all of a sudden and needed to speak to me so I went
and got him, the lover, and he said this woman kept coming to him
saying he was going to her daughter's for dinner that night and he was
to tell her thus and so (mundane matters meaningful only to me) and
that she was fine. As some of you may recall, I was in a dilemma
before she died as to whether I should tell her how HER mother had come
to me because Mom was pretty much an atheist/sceptic. Seems now she's
got the handle on the this stuff, wherever it is she is, she's talking
to whoever's got a channel open! Love, Holly
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: mind
Message-ID: <970422121609_-300358163ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 4/22/97 1:09:31 AM, you wrote:
>As one goes up plane by plane in meditation or in higher form of
> life of casual body, kalapa of his body will change and
> will have higher viberatory element.
> If he measures speed of light it will be much less say 150000 km
> per sec.
> Time will dilate for him to four times. He will feel that time
> moves slowly for him. If he plays cricket or tennis the
> ball will move towards him at one fourth speed and he
> will have all the time in the world to hit back and win.
Kool, but do you know of a method for achieving this phenomenon, I'd like to
acend the planes, but what methods exsist?
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Psychic self-defense
Message-ID: <970422121613_-65473299ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 4/21/97 11:48:49 PM, Douglas Sunlin wrote:
>*Are you saying I shouldn't be on this list? :-)
Douglas, as someone who believes that perfection of a siddha requires
refinement of the control of energy which directly relates to the energy used
for Kundalini, I find any and all techniques relating to auras, chakras,
energy paths, ect. very helpful in my pursuit of Kundalini. I would be
inclined to believe there are others on the list who feel that same as I. We
are all really well behaved people, and I strongly doubt that anyone on the
list would take such an excersize and go around hurting people with it.
PS I've tried the technique and have felt an energy increase
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:16:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Message-ID: <970422121615_83852013ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 4/21/97 8:23:04 PM, you wrote:
>sincere seeking can be good, willful grasping can be painful and/or
>futile, willful manipulation disastrous, and shakti exercises taken out
>of books really can be a recipe for disaster unless idiot proof - why
>put them in the book if they need a public health warning - surely it's
>simpler just to forget them altogether ?
Why is the human race not enlightened already if people have known of
Kundalini for all this time. True that K comes and goes on her own accord,
but I take a proactive stance on my religion. I would go as far as to say
that I believe that our current human life is not as important as our
knowledge of, and attempt to connect with universal
love/nirvana/enlightenment. I don't know alot about everything, but I do
know that I've experience K, and it is a path I should pursue, I wish it were
easyier to find the information one needs for such a persuit. I feel
compeled to remind everyone that walking down the street is a life
threatening experience, but when done with care and precautions can be done
without harm, K should be viewed likewise, it can be dangerous so precautions
should be made. You don't drive a car without care, but it can take you lots
of cool places, so be it with K. I take big risks in the hopes of big gains,
and I feel that the big gain of K (and related experiences) is my perpose for
exsistence. Forgetting about it is not an option :)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:37:59 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Psychic self-defense
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CGIAJW wrote:
>Douglas, as someone who believes that perfection of a siddha requires
>refinement of the control of energy which directly relates to the energy used
>for Kundalini, I find any and all techniques relating to auras, chakras,
>energy paths, ect. very helpful in my pursuit of Kundalini. I would be
>inclined to believe there are others on the list who feel that same as I. We
>are all really well behaved people, and I strongly doubt that anyone on the
>list would take such an excersize and go around hurting people with it.
*Thank you for your response. Obviously the k-list is not the
bastion of the Dark Side. :-}. But you don't have to be dangerous to
attract the attention of warriors, as certain Japanese monks found when
they wound up teaching samurai to ignore fear.
>PS I've tried the technique and have felt an energy increase
*Does it help you with physical activity? Does it help you stay warm?
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Douglas Sunlin
I walk out of ignorance,
Experimenting.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:18:00 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Atrious77ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Rules rule
Message-ID: <335D0EE8.16C9ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Atrious77ATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Lobster i am just another lurker out there but felt the need to coment on
> your post . It was good i think one of if not the best i have read.By all
> means keep them coming, expecialy the ones with incite on K.
> Atrious
Dear Mr Atrious,
Always glad to incite K
Insight into K probably also worthwhile :)
Funny someone asked about the same post (private email)
what this had to do with spiritual develoment
Which proves you just have to be true
to your own best understanding of what is helpful and relevant . . .
Lurker? I prefer N. A. P.
Non Active Participant . . .
Most Kind Regards
(Especially to you NAPpers)
Lobster
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:57:07 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: mind
Message-ID: <335D4243.1A57ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
David wrote:
> > Ego: "What if All is NOT One?"
This is described in the idea that beyond
the Monad is the Multiplicity
One is dependent on Everything
and Everything on One
In Kabbalah for instance
the moment at which God Creates the Universe
is the precise moment at which God comes into Being
You want to think about such things :)
It is enough to tie a knot in a Serpent :)
In alchemy Uroborous the Serpent that swallows his own tail
also regurgitates at the same time
Becoming and also dissolving
Being and Not Being
And you thought Chakra clearing was fun?
but your question was really about feelings
of seperation or non-unity
The reason is you are trying to get somewhere you already are
How to Be:
Involvement with reality.
Certain forms of excessive meditation
can lead to over emphasis of processing.
A Zen monk went to see his old Gran
"Gran I can not still my mind?"
"The wood needs chopping," said his Gran.
After finishing the monk said,
"Gran, whilst chopping the wood - I was thinking of the solution . . ."
"That's your problem," interrupted his old Gran,
"Always trying to do two things at once . . . "
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:31:12 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hardly soft . . .
Message-ID: <335D1200.6CE9ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Kat wrote
and Sunil R Peswani asked about existence . . .
> > I've tried to reach your site several times and also tried to email you at
> > your address and it just doesn't work. Any suggestions?
> I faced the same problem and then left it there....ram>
First of all synchronicity works in reverse aswell . . .
- you will get through this time -
email to:
lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com
My web site I would not recommend
however . . .
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/index.html
- if you understand any of it please explain it to me . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:27:13 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Death of Ego
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Stephen Bozzi:
>Ignorance (of Truth) is the source of ego.
*Right you are.
>Ego says,"I don't need the Source. I can make it
>on my own."
*Definitions, anyone? "Ego" is the Latin for "I"; psychologists use
it as a term for *part* of the human psyche. But here we're agreeing to use
it as shorthand to describe a condition of identification as an individual,
rather than part of the whole. IMHO, they're different but similar items.
>Now ego is limited.(as it can only be.)
*Like all creation, ego (we assume) has a purpose. It is not the
devil. But it is our major source of limitation, you win that point. :-}
>Especially since ego believes it ditched God.
>
>This is the source of guilt.
*Is guilt (or shame) partially a result of "buying into" a
mythology or taboo? ie:"Oops, I have looked upon the sacred oogabooga tree,
I feel so ashamed..." :-}
>Fear and guilt are inseparable.
>
>Ever talk to a fundamentalist?
*A little as possible. :-}
Just got something, Stephen. I am not these pixels. Get it? On the
internet, flame wars begin because we can't see who we're talking at, and
we feel an illusion of separateness. This is where the rubber hits the
road. Enjoying talking with you. Encore!
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Douglas Sunlin
I walk out of ignorance,
Experimenting.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 14:30:22 EDT
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thank you
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Thank you to all who will remember those battling the flood in their prayers.
Kindly,
Mo :-)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:17:38 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Death of Ego
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>Spirit says:"The purpose of this dream is that it is an
>instrument to help you awaken from it!
>
>
>David(not Stephen)
*Oops! Sorry!
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Douglas Sunlin
Waking up...
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:19:51 -0800
From: Douglas Sunlin <dsunlinATnospamlpd.sj.nec.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Parental control
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>The object of your research is to say contentious things
>and see how people react
>and then feel smug and superior . . .
>that's too easy - I do it all the time
>only I do not feel smug or cause a reaction for no reason
>(so I kid myself) :-)
I see a flame war on the horizon. The right and proper function for a
warrior is to stop conflict, not to cause it. So I apologize for whoever I
might have hurt. If there are specific instances that you would like to
share with me where I have been smug, superior or contentious, I would
appreciate if you'd explain them to me them via private email. I have had
enjoyable philosophical discussions with many on the list here, and for
that I am thankful. Also people have sincerely tried to help me understand
the kundalini phenomenon and answer my questions, and for that I am also
grateful. I sense a need to move on.
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NEC Imaging Laboratory
San Jose, CA
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:27:09 -0700
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: a glimpse of the future
Message-ID: <335D110D.62EAATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
>In the words of my friend Shelly, spoken by her lover Heidi:
>
> There is no box that can hold me. There is no
> category that defines me. I live outside the
> oppressive binary society. I live in the margins
> of the marginalized, because that is where I find
> reality.
a glimpse of the future?
isnt this how humans have satisfied their need for identity for
millenia?
i hope a glimpse of the future would reveal less tribalistic
us-vs-them identity crutches.
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:44:53 -0700
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
Message-ID: <335D1535.2FB1ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
> Why is the human race not enlightened already if people have known of
> Kundalini for all this time.
good question, forgive me if i vent my crackpot theory about that:
because K confers no reproductive advantage to the individual, only to
the culture (via healing, weather modification, migration strategy
etc).
K is probably a reproductive disadvantage on an individual basis.
so, historically, it is sufficient for the survival
advantage of a tribe if only a few people in the tribe are K aware.
which is why shamans, schizophrenics, epileptics, and K awakened
all have about the same population percentages, 1-2%.
though nowadays, what with the global crises, the equation is changed
somewhat, and it probably does behoove us all to take the proactive
course re K, or rather, let K take the proactive course with us?
either way...
cheers
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:50:05 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Some Ado About Nothing
Message-ID: <335D166D.66BBBF8FATnospamsirius.com>
Hi, me again.
Just some of thoughts in case they're of any use to you.
Nothing Is said:
> what do "I" want...
> really dont know anymore.
> Before I *thought* I knew but
> did not realize that was the
> cause of the cyclic "swirling" mess
> or to be cliche:
> the higher the high, the lower the low.
>
> Would settle for nothing...
> but it seems too easy for the soul
> while too hard for the ego in
> this world today.
>
> Does it matter....?
> is this souding like
> an existential predicament?
> who cares: everything is nothing.
> "It doesnt matter":
> this attitude cleanses the mind in some
> situations, but as an aspiring
> spiritual approach: it makes me suffer.
But nothing in what sense? I'm no expert on all the various mystical
schools, though I have, of course, heard much about 'nothing' and
'emptiness'. But for me, this 'nothing' is a misnomer. I think this nothing
is not nothing but, rather, _unity_. Yes, the things of the physical world
are _illusory_ in that they pretend to have an existence independent of one
another but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It means (I think) that they
actually exist (you and I and everything else) as the one unified entity of
which the universe is actually composed. You referred to it as a
'background' in our previous exchange and I would agree. But a background is
not nothing. I make this point because, for me, all this talk of 'nothing'
can be deceptive. It envisions the universe in very depressing, nihilistic
terms (for me anyway. For you?).
To be honest, I have never seen nothing. I don't believe there is such a
thing as nothing. That's not just semantics, now. Here's a simple metaphor:
if I look at the space between my two hands (held, say, a foot apart) I can
trick myself into thinking there's nothing there. But it isn't so. That
space transmits light and sound, for instance, and nothing, strictly
speaking, wouldn't be able to do that because nothing would have no
properties at all (my view, anyway). That space is like your 'background'.
Singular and undifferentiated, yes, but an existant entity nonetheless. And
as the saying goes "Thou Art That!"
For me, the difference between these 2 ideas: nothing and singularity can be
felt. 'Nothing' creates in me a sort of hopelessness, whereas 'unity'
creates a sense of quiet, profound belonging. The best I can determine is
that the 'still small voice within' is our link to this true identity
(background). And if I tune into it I can feel that identity as something
very worthy, quietly beautiful, profound and peaceful.
More Nothing Is:
> How will I know...
> if its worth it,
> maybe its better to "swirl"?
> Could I missing something that
> I should be getting from
> society if I wasn't seeing
> through it so much?
>
> One torturing dualism...
Hmmm. Somebody (Lobster, maybe?) was recently talking about how the world we
experience around us is actually a mirror of our inner self. So a switch in
how I look at myself would result in a change in how I experience society.
When I am centered and aware of the peaceful sense of self I mentioned
above, the world reflects that in a supportive way. Self as unity creates
world as unity. I see a worthiness in the world and I can get a lot out of
it.
Just my two cents, take it with a grain, or a pillar, of salt.
Paul
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:14:06 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: dead snake
Message-ID: <335D1C0E.42B1F508ATnospamsirius.com>
Helga wrote:
> many years ago I was bitten by a snake in India. I thought I was going to
> die, and was in the hospital for many days. The bite was in the left fod.
> About two months later my kundalini started, and it has been very hard. I
> think the way it starts may be significant, any comments?
Very interesting. I have read some books where people described their
physical kundalini symptoms. Some (at least one!) of those people made
specific reference to their left foot (I think it was the left) as an early
site of those physical symptoms. Seems similar to your situation of a snake
"bringing to you" the Kundalini "snake", beginning with that foot.
As far as the significance of the 'way it starts'...I don't know. Many of us
on this list have had very hard painful K experiences too (Ram Peswani spoke
recently about this) so I don't know if we can blame the snake in India that
bit you for the pain of the Kundalini "snake."
Anyone else know about possible significance of this left foot location?
Best to you,
Paul
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:49:09 -0700
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Power Of Love
Message-ID: <335D6A95.485BATnospamdial.pipex.com>
------ PRAYER REQUEST ------------------------
SNAKE POWER NEEDED --- NAP's Welcome ---------
--- NAP = Non Active Participant (Lurker) ----
Hi Kundalites,
Feeling Powerful?
Full of energy?
Maybe not . . .
Well some people (we all know one or two at some point) are dying
Now having psychic gifts is all very nice
- Let's implement -
If people put some kind of header on the top
and do not over do it
we may be able to make the world a better place . . .
We can pray for people (or Zap them with Love)
or send them healing
or do a ritual
or send them metta (buddhist compassion)
kindle their kundalini
just send them our best wishes
even a good joke (in this case via me - he likes the Marx Brother type
humour)
-- do not feel silly -- it does make a difference ---
whatever is our tradition or best intention . . .
Let us surprise and support, direct and focus our energies
- OK let's go for
My second cousin needs your help
please give generously:
Name: Steve Swiszczowski
Status: Premature death from blood disorder
Further Status: Married three young children
Mission (not impossible): Your mission should you choose it
is to arrest and reverse this disease and to improve his general
condition that caused this illness.
. . . this message will not self destruct . . . make sure he does not
either . . .
. . . message does not end . . .
----- Steve Swiszczowski ------
> > You probably won't mind if I pray for you
>
> No, I wouldn't. Thank you. What would you pray for - a cure, a long life,
> or acceptance of my illness and a supposedly earlier death? Or some
> combination? Or does it matter?
--- about Steve Swiszczowski
--- he teaches deaf youngsters
--- (his own words are below) ----- Have told him you will be helping
him ---
> Why deaf? OK, go back to school. When I was 16, I went on a 2 week summer
> holiday camp for 50 London deaf kids, run by Catholic monks and nuns and lay
> volunteers like myself. A brother (monk) at my school had issued an
> invitation to anyone interested. I never heard it. Would never have been
> too interested, probably. No, I heard about it from a girl who was going
> that I was keen on! And she's a good chunk of the reasons I went, though not
> all. (She went on to read Physics at Oxford and then Cambridge and continued
> with a career in Physics. She was frighteningly clever! Strong character,
> unusual, lovely person. Lost touch with her a long time ago.)
>
> Well, this experience changed my life, I was never the same again. The whole
> thing, the kids, the volunteers, the brothers and nuns, the work, the
> relaxing after work. I suppose it was also my first step into the world
> outside my home, without someone looking after me. And the first taste of
> adult responsibility. I met some amazing people, who had a strong influence
> on me. I felt wonderful. All I wanted to do now was try to recreate that
> feeling. (I was young, of course, and thought that certain rare individuals
> were amazing, and you were lucky to find some. I didn't realise that anyone
> can be amazing, if you just take the trouble to investigate.)
>
> I went on 2 more similar camps during the next 2 summers. Could they
> possibly live up to expecatations and recreate what I experienced before?
> Amazingly, they did! 2 more profound and influential experiences.
>
> I decided I'd probably like to teach the deaf. But it seemed to me it would
> be good to teach in mainstream first. And that's just how events actually
> worked out. Though in fact they could have gone another way at various
> points.
-----------------------------------
> Hooray, I'm home again and still feeling fine! [Ed. note: I'm home after the
> first 3 days of 5 days chemo on a new drug which is supposed to make me feel
> awful, but hasn't yet. Each day, they keep expecting me to feel bad and stay
> in hospital, but so far each day I've come home after treatment feeling
> fine.]
---- Thanks Kundalites -- retro active prayer ---- send more ---
Make him WELL
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:49:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: two new unique methods of DIY enlightenment !!!!!
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Are you saying dont even pick up the kundalini book and do the exercises
unless you have had some kind of kundalini awakening already?
thanks, is nothing nothing?
On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Tom Aston wrote:
>
> "love and shared wisdom", starting now...errr that's it.
>
> alternatively: take one unripe kundalini, willfully awaken her and
> manipulate her and rapidly go nutty causing untold damage to self and
> others....
>
> the point ? shakti comes when shakti wants to come, and, errr, that's
> it.....
>
> of course, even then there can be a transitional phase of nuttiness, but
> this is completely different as it will be resolved ultimately and tends
> to be self-balancing and profoundly purifying, healing and
> integrating.....
>
> it also tends to be more organic "existential" crisis than psychic
> overheating as can happen with willful manipulation of yogic exercises
>
> sincere seeking can be good, willful grasping can be painful and/or
> futile, willful manipulation disastrous, and shakti exercises taken out
> of books really can be a recipe for disaster unless idiot proof - why
> put them in the book if they need a public health warning - surely it's
> simpler just to forget them altogether ?
>
> regards, "burnt fingers" Tom :}
>
> (there, i smiled, you see, i'm mastering netiquette slowly but surely,
> and lightening up just a little when not admonishing the world at
> large.....)
> --
> Tom Aston
>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:09:31 +0000
From: "Slug" <eis34742ATnospampegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Another newbie post
Message-Id: <199704222102.RAA11002ATnospammagicnet.magicnet.net>
Hi guys... most of you probably don't remember me... I've already
posted a newbie post. I've just kinda' been hanging out trying to
digest everything that flies around in here... quite a bit I must
say!
Anyway, I consider myself still at the level of hinayana, and I
cannot deny that I feel very jealous at times of the degree of
awakeing and love that people in here have. I meditate a lot... I
read a lot... I try to do good, and I try to just do. My question is
this... what has worked for you? What got you beyond the lower
vehicles? I'm just asking for guidance, assured to recieve more than
I could have ever imagined.
Regards,
Slug
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:24:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: h mmm
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.970422182400.2320A-100000ATnospamluey.itlabs.umn.edu>
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Maybe i will just stick with the zazen.........
bye, nothing is
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