1997/04/20 20:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #181
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 181
Today's Topics:
Re: Seeking detachment....
Re: the senses & elements
Re: Tantric Kundalini - i bend with the shakti on sex...
Re: computers
Re: dead snake
Hammer Hitting
Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
Re: Notes from the lurker underground
Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
Death of Ego
RE: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
RE: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
Re: I agree Lissette
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:14:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nancy Kar <nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Seeking detachment....
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.93.970420135915.35764A-100000ATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca>
For me the whole exercise in detachment.... is in the detachment from
everything outside of us.....we in turn attach or join to our true selves
within. It's just a process of self learning. It's an exercise done with
love for yourself and others.
By becoming more clear about who you genuinely are, you can't but help
feeling better about yourself and being a better friend, mate etc.
I find that I do this in steps, shedding layers that have built up over
the years.... continuing until I travel down into my own truths, as far as
I might dare. The changes brought on in myself continue into the world
that I live
in and I find myself in new situations and friendships... that have sprung
from the new changes in myself. I learn with these new people and
experiences until a staleness overcomes me or maybe a feeling that my
relationships are not any longer the healthiest things to be in anymore
and again
I journey within to see what's there now... and the process begins again.
But all done in love and respect... for myself and others.
Unlike the post from the alt.suicide group.... the letting go and the
changes only bring in new revelations that translate into new interests
and a fresh look at things. I get excited about the new ideas and have
many things to do and experience in my new thoughts. It never ends...
never winds down to a point where I'm at my end.... only new beginnings.
*shrug*
...just a few thoughts on a lazy Sunday afternoon:)
WaterFall
On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> >The odd thing is that I seem to have taken away whatever part of me really
> >hurt. And not wanting anything, not wanting to do anything, turned into
> >not even wanting to die anymore. Wouldn't mind it. Can't be bothered to go
> >to the effort involved in buying a gun and blowing my head off, though.
> >The effort involved in staying alive is probably more in the long run, but
> >never too much at one time.
> >
> >Can't complain about not hurting anymore, of course, that's a relief. But
> >now I have no idea what to do. People do things because there are other
> >things they want. They talk to people because they want company; they go
> >to classes because they want to learn something (ideally) or because they
> >have to if they want to graduate; they graduate because they want to get a
> >better job than they might be able to otherwise; and they want a job so
> >they can buy things to make themselves more comfortable or to keep
> >themselves amused and occupied.
> >
> >And now I don't want anything. I prefer to keep comfortable, physically,
> >but that doesn't take much. I don't care enough to kill myself, and I know
> >I'm entirely burnt out. I feel like a racehorse that's broken down on the
> >track; they tend to try to get up and keep running, because it's the only
> >way they know to deal with anything, it's all they can do. But it's not
> >going to help, and there's not usually anything that will. And I keep
> >trying to do the same things that I've always done, but I can't,
> >really. Or not very well. It's hard to make yourself do anything useful
> >when it honestly doesn't matter much anymore.
> >
> >Doesn't matter much, not doesn't matter at all. There's still enough
> >concern to keep a vague sense of obligation, a vague guilt that I ought to
> >want things, I ought to do things, I ought to care more. And so I care
> >just enough to keep making halfhearted attempts at various things that I
> >don't really want to do. I can't make myself try with the promise that
> >I'll kill myself as soon as I do this, as soon as I've finished that. And
> >so there's almost no motivation at all left.
> >
> >Then again, my eighty-year-old great-aunt has a theory for what's
> >generally wrong with me (and the rest of the family, too). At dinner one
> >day she looked at my father and announced "Your grandfather was lazy, your
> >father was lazy, you're lazy and it looks like your daughter is lazy, too.
> >I'm the only one in this family who was ever willing to work at anything."
> >
> >
> **************
>
>
> ( ...In case you are wondering, no, I'm not suicidal, I contemplated
> suicide seriously for perhaps 30 seconds once as a child, looking for the
> ultimate way to get revenge on my Mom. 30 seconds is all it took before the
> sheer idiocy of the idea snapped me right out of my anger. Perhaps why
> suicide mystifies me so much...suicidal people are alien to me. A trip to
> alt.suicide.holidays is like a trip to mars...people plotting their own
> demise, discussing methods and dates, and antidepressents, ocassionally
> news of success somewhere has an oddly cheering effect on the group. And
> then there is the emotions of the the to feel...send light back.)
> Blessings of hope, Mystress.
>
* " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " * " *
Looking through Lightworking eyes,
Living through a Loveworking heart.
'Keep your face to the sunshine and you will not see the shadows' -H. Keller
In lak'ech Nancy...WaterFall in spirit nkarATnospamfreenet.npiec.on.ca
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:41:45 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the senses & elements
Message-Id: <v01540b01af8018f67d23ATnospam[156.46.121.120]>
Hi Phil--
Thanks for responding. Most of what you've written I'm familiar with,
though it's refreshing to hear your systhesis. I do have a few more
questions...
> These are complicated questions. Basically each Loka has a Causal
>sphere wherein the five elements or senses literally become one in
>perception as well as action. This is the horizontal. These sheaths have
>to do with that. There are three sheaths and thus three rings pass not.
Why do you call the integration of the senses in the causal energy "the
horizontal"?
>> what ways does this transmutation change the senses?
>
>It synthesizes the input-you would know this experience by the name -
>Intuition.At the highest octaves it relates to the three sunyatas or
>voids that you will exerience if you are really looking for trouble-Heh
>Heh.
Do these voids correspond to the three worlds? How can there be "three"
"voids"?
Further thanks,
Jim
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:22:29 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tantric Kundalini - i bend with the shakti on sex...
Message-ID: <6B0bKBAl7lWzEwyUATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <3.0.1.16.19970420093500.0817a3c6ATnospamislandnet.com>, Ed Johnson
<orangeATnospamislandnet.com> writes
>
>I have always felt an inner resistance (some might say laziness!) to study
>any of the 'esoterics' because I felt the language used to describe the
>processes alienating to the common experience. And to a degree this
>is how I feel when people on this list use terms I don't fully understand,
>most of your yogi terms (and Phil's for that matter!)for example. Can all of
>these terms (like manipura, anahata for example) be explained in plain english,
>or is our language insufficient or long-winded?
well, manipura is the navel chakra and anahata is the heart chakra.
The Sanskrit terms tend to do a much better job at describing the
anatomy of the subtle body than English terms.
it's very hard to understand kundalini experiences without some
knowledge of yogic terminology and concepts. i try not to use too
much....they can be found in many books easily available in the West....
if/once the kundalini climbs from the base of the spine to above the
heart, then without some esoteric understanding one could get very
confused very quickly.....
there are mystical and pagan traditions in the West that offer forms of
understanding that can help as well as yogic systems....
and i hope my posts are slightly clearer than Phil's....but i'll try and
do better in future...sorry
>
>Tom further adds:
>>yep, but there is surely a dilemma for the mystic in communicating his
>>or her experience to others who have no reference points here
>
>Is this ego talking?
hope not again, but anyone who knows shakti knows it can be hard to
explain things to others....
i agree that in the ideal world of faith or Zen awareness, shakti would
not even be necessary and no explanations or descriptions of inner
experience would be necessary...indeed, if there is such a thing as
inner experience at all which can be talked about.....
but for many there is a transitional process which can be hard to
comprehend and often requires recognition and nurturing by others if we
are to successfully see it through.
kundalini awakening can bring all kinds of traumas and catharsis in the
short run, at least, and holding it in, or adopting a Zenlike silence is
not always an option.....and can be disastrous....in that one fails to
integrate the psychophysical manifestations of this force with one's
being.....which often manifests as a purifying energy from the depths of
the subconscious.....which is no respecter of egos or conditioning, be
they ordinary or Zenlike or both....if the wave breaks on top of the
surfer it is best simply to ride it in whatever way seems
appropriate....the wave tends to decide the best course of action, even
if it is the surfer that wipes out when he or she gets it wrong and
fails to understand the forces of Nature and the Divine....
there is also the point that one might actually want to share one's
experience with others for mutual education and spiritual benefit....so
communication can be the most altruistic act imaginable....
except for the Zen Master's enigmatic silence...
but yogis have so much more fun on the net, because we love to
talk........
regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Tobias Ussing <tobiasATnospamcybernet.dk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: computers
Message-Id: <199704201909.MAA02704ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
At 06:00 PM 4/20/97 +0200, Tobias Ussing wrote:
>I´ve studied the cases of kundalites who interferes with computers and the
>like, we have had the same stories over here, it´s good to share. Anyway,
>even though I´m very fond of this my new computer and all it´s
>possibilities, including international communications, it´s hard for me
>sometimes. I start to feel bad the moment I open it, or maybe after ½ hour,
>or maybe not at all.
>Anyone with similar experiences? and what to do?
>
>hejsa
> Helga
>
>
Once again I recommend the "tell it what you want" method. Use reverence
and be very clear. It probably will respond nicely after a bit of time. That
has been my experience in any case.
M
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Tobias Ussing <tobiasATnospamcybernet.dk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: dead snake
Message-Id: <199704201909.MAA02698ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
At 05:48 PM 4/20/97 +0200, Tobias Ussing wrote:
>About snakes,
>
>many years ago I was bitten by a snake in India. I thought I was going to
>die, and was in the hospital for many days. The bite was in the left fod.
>About two months later my kundalini started, and it has been very hard. I
>think the way it starts may be significant, any comments?
>
>light, light, light
> Helga
>
I think that what you think matters just as much - if not more...
Try asking it to get more gentle with you. It probably will respond nicely
after a bit of time. That has been my experience in any case.
M
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:11:41 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hammer Hitting
Message-ID: <19970420.171217.4774.27.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
>Eric wrote....
>Just remember folks, when someone tells you a hammer is great
>for pounding nails, but also to be careful not to hit yourself on the
>foot with it, you might want to heed that advice. The method I choose
>->hitting myself in both feet just to confirm what the author described
>->was not terribly bright. But I suppose we all learn in our own
>peculiar,>if not painful, ways.
Eric,
I hit myself with a hammer cause it feels so good when I stop.
Lots of Love,
xxxtg
"These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:48:15 -0700
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
Message-ID: <335A8F1F.7767AA5EATnospamsirius.com>
Hi all -
> On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Tom Aston wrote:
>
> > am i alone in having found tremendous need to let go of friends and
> > family and childhood and parents for a while, only to pick up all these
> > relationships again later on, but with a feeling of non-attachment that
> > took quite a while to get used to....
I've been experiencing just this sort of thing for quite a while, Tom. And I've
come to believe it's no big deal. On my road I've had cyclic times of being very
much out in the world and times of being very inner and secluded (as in an extended
retreat). For the past couple of years, I've been going thru a time of
transformation which has required me to hunker down and spend a lot of alone time.
I had the savings to do this, and I believe my inner guidance provided me with that
$ for just this purpose. Now, I'm back on the job market and have moved into a new
phase. While that inner phase was at times very scary and unpleasant, it was where
I needed to be at the time. And yes, I too have _temporarily_ pulled back from my
family (who don't live nearby anyway). They've been anxious about this and I've
done what I can to reassure them. It's all cyclic and I can see that soon I'll be
seeing more of them, with more to offer due to what I've learned during this quiet
phase. You're trusing your inner voice! and I heartily encourage that!
*********************
Then Nancy Kar wrote:
>
> You are not alone, at all.
> I feel like I am continually being picked up in the snakes jaws, rattled
> and thrown into the air.. leaving me to fall in a different space of
> conciousness and self.
>
> My parents were everything to me. I was over at their house every day. For
> all of my life. Now I am having a hard time going over once a week. I need
> my space. >
[SNIP]
> With my family I share my new self with them.
[SNIP]
> So Tom... you're not alone.
Nancy, thx for sharing your story in this area. As you'll see from what I wrote
above, I'm in much the same boat. I'll bet there are many on this list who are as
well. I believe that, like the steering of a car, live is a series of adjustments,
back and forth, ebb and flow. And I feel led by intuition to know which turn to
take next. I guess I don't believe my life can be 'thought' but certainly can be
'intuited'.
Best to everybody...
Paul
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Notes from the lurker underground
Message-ID: <970420184630_-1769437041ATnospamemout11.mail.aol.com>
Dear Eric (the red)
In a message dated 4/19/97 6:00:39 PM, you wrote:
>I tried a technique to
>raise kundalini that I came across in a book. The author gave all
>the customary warnings about the potential dangers involved, but me
>being the arrogant, self-centered, "I can handle whatever the Universe can
>dish out," ignorant guy that I was (probably still am, but hopefully to
>a lessor degree) jumped right in. Being used to instant gratification
>and not feeling any results from the technique I just tried within a day
>or so, I went ahead and tried the other techniques mentioned in the book.
>My journey into Hell began a few days later.
I'd like to know of the book you used, I probably already have it, but I'm
continually amazed by how many books are impossible to find. I'll make sure
to take it easy :)
Thanks,
Aaron
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:13:31 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
Subject: Re: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels and attachments
Message-ID: <VtPQxDALUpWzEwUuATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <335A8F1F.7767AA5EATnospamsirius.com>, Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
writes
>Hi all -
>
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Tom Aston wrote:
>>
>> > am i alone in having found tremendous need to let go of friends and
>> > family and childhood and parents for a while, only to pick up all these
>> > relationships again later on, but with a feeling of non-attachment that
>> > took quite a while to get used to....
>
>I've been experiencing just this sort of thing for quite a while, Tom. And I've
>come to believe it's no big deal. On my road I've had cyclic times of being very
>much out in the world and times of being very inner and secluded (as in an
>extended
>retreat). For the past couple of years, I've been going thru a time of
>transformation which has required me to hunker down and spend a lot of alone
>time.
>I had the savings to do this, and I believe my inner guidance provided me with
>that
>$ for just this purpose. Now, I'm back on the job market and have moved into a
>new
>phase. While that inner phase was at times very scary and unpleasant, it was
>where
>I needed to be at the time. And yes, I too have _temporarily_ pulled back from
>my
>family (who don't live nearby anyway). They've been anxious about this and I've
>done what I can to reassure them. It's all cyclic and I can see that soon I'll
>be
>seeing more of them, with more to offer due to what I've learned during this
>quiet
>phase. You're trusing your inner voice! and I heartily encourage that!
>
>*********************
>
>Then Nancy Kar wrote:
>>
>> You are not alone, at all.
>> I feel like I am continually being picked up in the snakes jaws, rattled
>> and thrown into the air.. leaving me to fall in a different space of
>> conciousness and self.
>>
>> My parents were everything to me. I was over at their house every day. For
>> all of my life. Now I am having a hard time going over once a week. I need
>> my space. >
>
>[SNIP]
>> With my family I share my new self with them.
>[SNIP]
>> So Tom... you're not alone.
>
>Nancy, thx for sharing your story in this area. As you'll see from what I wrote
>above, I'm in much the same boat. I'll bet there are many on this list who are
>as
>well. I believe that, like the steering of a car, live is a series of
>adjustments,
>back and forth, ebb and flow. And I feel led by intuition to know which turn to
>take next. I guess I don't believe my life can be 'thought' but certainly can be
>'intuited'.
>
>Best to everybody...
>Paul
>
This is what i love about the kundalini list....just one great "hug
fest".........i found a note in my writings after sending this question,
about adapting to "not knowing what one is going to do or say until one
does or says it and the difficulty of simply letting things work out in
their own time and own way".....becomes harder and harder to fix
anything, let alone relationships....and becomes very hard to divine
consciously where things are going sometimes as causal chains can be
impossible to perceive let alone influence..and attempts to influence
things can often backfire or prove useless.....the spirit moves in
mysterious ways....anyone fancy a post on shakti and synchronicity ? now
on that one i could keep posting till the cows come home.....but will
refrain from doing so for time being since would require certain amount
of background info to appreciate the nature of coincidences.....or until
"the time is right..."
thanks for two sympatico responses, Yogi Tom xxxx
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:24:15 -0400
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Death of Ego
Message-ID: <19970420.192416.4774.35.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
Evening....
(Love that word -- so balanced). Anyway, I would like to get some
various thoughts from you on the ego or the death of the ego, what is
ego....
I am getting *glimpses* of, that there is no ego, other than the guilt &
fear thoughts we may have. And once the guilt & fear are let go, walla!
no ego.
I am open to seeing it differently if this is not the case....
Thanks,
xxxtg
"These are merely my opinions. If they were the Biblical truth, your
bushes would be burning..." (anyone's burning out there?)
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:58:01 -0700
From: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
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This is an interesting subject ! Funny how some of us seem to be in the
same place in our journey. I find that I have been feeling a pull for
the last year to be alone. I mean this is really strange for me. I used
ot be a workaholic. I worked and had so many volunteer things going I
was always busy. Then I was laid off about 3 years ago. It was the best
thing that could have ever happened to me.
I remember sitting in the middle of my living room, after a week of
being unemployed, feeling crazy because it was quiet and I didn't have
anything to do. Eventually I did quit the mass volunteer activities and
found another job with with a flexible schedule. Things began to change
in my life. I thought I knew me but boy am I finding out who I am(?)
<smile>
I have been in this mode to be "completely alone". I have gotten rid of
a lot of old stuff that I was keeping in boxes. ( what an amazing
feeling to get rid of all that so called important stuff) I am reading
books like The Pathwork of Self-Transformation (Eva Pierrakos), Seat of
the Soul (Gary Zukav), A Chakra & Kundalini Workbook (Dr. john Mumford)
Psychic Healing w/Spirit guides & Angels (Diane Stein), Wake Up Calls
(Eric Allenbugh Phd.)
I am realizing the duality in me. Go figure! The personal power I have
and a lot of others things. Only problem is I am struggling with the
fact that I am the mother of 16 son, 10 year old daughter. I am a
community leader and a lot of people seek my help. I am a wife. Right
now at this point in my life I would love to go off and sit on the top
of a mountain and discover "the rest of whatever it is I need to find
out". I just want to go into myself. If only I could spin a cocoon
around myself. I have just become very selfish in the fact that I feel
the need to just get rid of things and go away and be alone. I have no
idea even why I feel this way.
I have let go of people, things and some attitudes about life I used to
have. I guess I just need to find some balance. Just a little about me.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Pamela
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:25:23 -1000 (HST)
From: "DB:Re:Detachment" <david.bozziATnospammail.snet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199704210025.OAA04355ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Whether one is emersed in external relationships or not
is not the real issue of detachment.
I agree there can be a natural cycle of going deep within
followed by expressing energy outward.
Detachment is an issue of dependence.
To be amongst form and limit while knowing this can never
satisfy an infinite hungar is to be detached.
Follow your intuition and be where you need to be.
Just don't rely on time-bound things to quench the thirst
of the soul.
That is the virtue of detachment.
Peace.
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:23:40 PDT
From: "anita grayson" <eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
Message-Id: <199704210023.RAA09578ATnospamf42.hotmail.com>
>Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:58:01 -0700
>From: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net>
>To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
>Subject: RE: letting go, picking up, dissolution of labels & attachments
>
Pamela,
I was lucky enough to have had the opportunity to be alone
when my time come. I was out of work for two and a half years. I live
with my parents so I had no dependants and morgage to pay. I went in
and found what I really wanted. Got to do things I have always wanted
It was an opportune time. After getting over too many rejections I
felt to go in. It was the best experience I ever had. I recommend it
highly. I could be alone within. It actually worked as I was taking
care of two ill parents. They depended on me totally. But I felt alone
and free at the same time. And like the wealthiest person in the
world for my inner riches. I was walking around in rags. Felt like
I was holeless but I was rich.
Now I still wish I was back there. I have been pushed back to
being the social butterfly. The K changed me and I would like to be
alone more often. I too have a flexable scedule at work. But pushing
hogies for a paycheck is sometimes to physical for me. I wish I did
not have to work.
I never had a situation in my life that was so life changing
and gave me so much insight into being human and spiritual. I loved
the compassion and joy of being free to enjoy life. I hope you get
to experience this also.
Anita
It is not likely that God
will whisper the truth of
your life in someone elses ear.
Pamela wrote:
> This is an interesting subject ! Funny how some of us seem to be in the
>same place in our journey. I find that I have been feeling a pull for
>the last year to be alone. I mean this is really strange for me. I used
>ot be a workaholic. I worked and had so many volunteer things going I
>was always busy. Then I=A0was laid off about 3 years ago. It was the best
>thing that could have ever happened to me.
>
>I remember sitting in the middle of my living room, after a week of
>being unemployed, feeling crazy because it was quiet and I didn't have
>anything to do. Eventually I did quit the mass volunteer activities and
>found another job with with a flexible schedule. Things began to change
>in my life. I thought I=A0knew me but boy am I=A0finding out who I=A0am(?=
>)
><smile>
>
>I have been in this mode to be "completely alone". I=A0have gotten rid o=
>f
>a lot of old stuff that I was keeping in boxes. ( what an amazing
>feeling to get rid of all that so called important stuff) I am reading
>books like The Pathwork of Self-Transformation (Eva Pierrakos), Seat of
>the Soul (Gary Zukav), A Chakra & Kundalini Workbook (Dr. john Mumford)
>Psychic Healing w/Spirit guides & Angels (Diane Stein), Wake Up Calls
>(Eric Allenbugh Phd.)
>
>I am realizing the duality in me. Go figure! The personal power I have
>and a lot of others things. Only problem is I am struggling with the
>fact that I am the mother of 16 son, 10 year old daughter. I am a
>community leader and a lot of people seek my help. I am a wife. Right
>now at this point in my life I would love to go off and sit on the top
>of a mountain and discover "the rest of whatever it is I=A0need to find
>out". I=A0just want to go into myself. If only I=A0could spin a cocoon
>around myself. I have just become very selfish in the fact that I feel
>the need to just get rid of things and go away and be alone. I have no
>idea even why I feel this way.
>
>I have let go of people, things and some attitudes about life I=A0used to
>have. I=A0guess I just need to find some balance. Just a little about me.
>Any comments would be appreciated.
>Pamela
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:31:32 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: I agree Lissette
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Hi Pamela,>
> I have to agree. Lately I have been deleting without really reading this
> stuff. I hope that the postings begin to change and we get back to the
> subject of Kundalini. I am no expert by far but I do know lately some of
> the things being posted are not on subject.
> Pamela
>
You dont have to be an expert to observe the amount of EGO Tripping
that goes on... displays of "knowledge" sometimes with the intent of
impresing not teaching, we can perceive that. Lets go back to Love,
(shall we?) so basic and essential...
Love always,
Lissette
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