1997/04/17 13:15
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #173
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 173
Today's Topics: Re: need some advice
Re: Was that a "baaaa" I heard? Re: need some advice
Re: The Roscrucians are wrong Re: baking yogis - journeys through hell........poisoning the well
Re: I saw a dead snake today well, Well, wishing WELL
Itsy bitsy Re: a great tan
Re: need some advice Why the Internet is Good
Re: baking yogis - journeys through hell........poisoning the well Re: Why the Internet is Good
Re: Baked and ready to serve (read twice, please)! Re: need some advice
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:27:34 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galvan Ph.D"
To: "Pamela" , "Kundalini" Subject: Re: need some advice
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Yes, you can also try to go deeper into the isues around your neck
blockage. You can try an experiential metrhod to uncover in non- intrusive way what
is there. I highly recomend you what is called "Holotropic Breathwork"
Try www.breathwork.com Love
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To: Kundalini Subject: need some advice
Date: Miércoles 16 de Abril de 1997 11:17 PM
Hello list members!
I have some questions I hope someone can help me with. I recently
purchased to wonderful pieces of Kyanite. I have been forever having problems with my throat chakra. I have a feeling it is blocked. There
are times when I just cannot say the proper words. I stammer and can't get things out. I get flustered etc.. I have suspected for a long time
that this chakra is blocked. I also believe because I can't wear anything directly on my neck. It is extremely uncomfortable, that there
is something going on with this chakra. I do believe maybe in a past life also I had been choked, hanged or have had some serious trauma to
my neck.
Anyway, I have been doing some meditation with the Kyanite on my throat. I have noticed that my voice is getting deeper. I am concerned about
this. Does anyone have a good method to cleanse and open this chakra with the Kyanite? Is this unusual for one's voice to deepen? I have no
idea if I am doing this correctly. Is there another way that I should be using to handle this chakra? Any a suggestions would be wonderful. Thank
you all ! Love and light
Pamela
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From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Lovable Phil wrote:
< It is easy to lead sheep - They do not ask questions -about your credibility - they do not challenge - and thus
they become so much mutton for the rack. >>
Are you suggesting that those on the list are sheep? On the contrary, I thought everyone seemed to question many things and invite different views
and opinions as well. The list is diverse, with many in different stages of K , but everyone seems to have a mind of their own and for the most part,
people seem to *agree to disagree* without hard feelings.
Flame away Phil -- I feel sure your ego can't resist telling yet another person that they too are wrong. Take care though, sooner or later you'll
burn yourself.
Not just some mutton on a rack,
Kat (Meooow!) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:11:11 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Pamela
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In message , Pamela writes >
>Hello list members! >
>I have some questions I hope someone can help me with. I recently >purchased to wonderful pieces of Kyanite. I have been forever having
>problems with my throat chakra. I have a feeling it is blocked. There >are times when I just cannot say the proper words. I stammer and can't
>get things out. I get flustered etc.. I have suspected for a long time >that this chakra is blocked. I also believe because I can't wear
>anything directly on my neck. It is extremely uncomfortable, that there >is something going on with this chakra. I do believe maybe in a past
>life also I had been choked, hanged or have had some serious trauma to >my neck.
> >Anyway, I have been doing some meditation with the Kyanite on my throat.
>I have noticed that my voice is getting deeper. I am concerned about >this. Does anyone have a good method to cleanse and open this chakra
>with the Kyanite? Is this unusual for one's voice to deepen? I have no >idea if I am doing this correctly. Is there another way that I should be
>using to handle this chakra? Any a suggestions would be wonderful. Thank >you all !
>Love and light >Pamela
> Hi Pamela,
Working with a chakra in isolation from the whole is not always a good
idea as it may swop one problem or imbalance for another.....
think of your spiritual development as being like a tree blossoming, you draw on deep roots sunk into the earth of the subconscius and the
past....you absorb sunlight and oxygen and water and sap.....everything has to arise naturally and in harmony with your spiritual momentum in
life...
the throat chakra is associated with pure sound, profound listening within and without, mantra, secret understanding and the gateway to the
cosmic worlds of the head chakras, the conch held to the ear of the yogi is a useful image...
in some ways, moving up from heart to throat chakras is the beginnng of
esoteric understanding as opposed to conventional spiritual understanding simply manifesting in love and morality etc.
so these problems could be linked to this subtle development in your
journey and a sign that it might helpto go deeper inside and cooperate with this sometimes very strange process which can defy all our
commonsense and rational assumptions about life ....
a sense of being strangled, of problems talking, of problems swallowing and of a feeling of pressure on the neck is not unusual when the throat
opens, and this can last a while - mine went on for a few months until i didn't want to talk to anyone...and sometimes quite literally couldn't
even open my mouth, which caused some interesting situations in a busy office where my voice was needed often.......
using mantra without a spiritual teacher can have its drawbacks
especially if you have no previous practice in mantra or yantra or visualisation
if the shakti is moving up towards the head chakras, in classical
kundalini yoga one really needs to establish a new spiritual foundation to one's understanding, as the old one that has seen you through the
anahata and the three lower chakras is no longer suitable for the esoteric worlds of the throat and beyond....
you may find that mystical teachings now make a lot more sense
you may even feel an urge to write insights and experiences down, your
karmic interpretation of the strangling sensation might be worth examining on paper simply for therapeutic purposes....
you may become very sensitive to sound and music, enjoy this
this can work well with the process of listening to life very deeply....
the throat chakra is also connected to the thyroid gland which is, i
believe, crucial in the hormonal changes brought about during puberty....
so may be worth noting any changes in bodily chemistry, however
subtle...
this "block" will most likely pass in time and you will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about....
good luck, and welcome to the world of secret mantra....Yogi Tom
-- Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 14:28:53 EDT From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The Roscrucians are wrong
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John Wrote: "Please tell me what book that is from...I can't believe the rosicrucians
said that..".
Dear John......... Ahhhh...but they did...my point exactly.......when you are
sure you know everything.....or think you know much....you don't really......... I will be happy to tell you the book..I did mention it in my first letter:
Title: The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception
Author: Max Heindel: renewed 1937 by Mrs. Max Heindel Copywrite by: The Rosicrucian Fellowship, 1973
Publishers: Wood & Jones, Pasadena California First printing: May, 1909
My quote about it being impossible for Caucasions to "feel the energy Flow"
was from Chapter 12: The method of aquiring first-hand knowledge, pg. 438
I bought the book at an introductory meeting into the Roscrucians...which I
did not follow up.....here is another interesting paragraph from the book's introduction:
"The western world is undoubtedly the vanguard of the human race, and for
reasons given in the following pages, it is held by the Rosicrucian that neither Judaism nor popular Christianity but "TRUE" esoteric Christianity is
to be its world religion. Buddha, great, grand and sublime may be the Light of Asia, but Christ will yet be acknowledged the Light of the World.......in
the not too distant future the true religion of Christ will supersede and obliterate all other religions, to the eternal benefit of mankind............."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
A lighthearted traveller. Mo
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:59:07 -0700 From: E Jason
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Claudia McNeely Subject: Re: baking yogis - journeys through hell........poisoning the well
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Claudia McNeely wrote:
> > Is it possible that this journey you are taking has been an opportunity to
> get you in touch with your inner children? Tom is usually so serious. > Lobster has always been in touch with his little boy, but more so with
> these responses. Is it possible that this was just to give you the > opportunity to play? Must say I have gotten a few laughs from it all. It
> is not necessary to always be serious, some fun occasionally is okay. > However, one or two comments did hit below the belt. But is that not
> normal for 'little boys playing'?
Hi Claudia, Little boy?
What is this sexual segregation? Little Lobster you mean
- and I am very serious :) Of course Tom has a playful nature too
Look at the complexity of Ms Angeliques committe personality . . . As for below the ego belt . . .
well we may be crying for a moment and then its tea time . . . Glad you laughed . . .
We come and we go We shout and we stomp
we play and we grow the stars twinkle
and the Goddess smiles
Most Kind Regards
Lobster Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 06:13:17 -0700
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M wrote:
> The list arguements and ego skirmishes make me sad. > I love reading the compliments TO US however. Remember this one?
Do not be sad Kundalites
Do not be bad Kundalites The Goddess carries a sword
and it is the healing balm
Battle against or together? All is the Dance of the Goddess. However for the Gentle Souls:
Look at my fist
It is closed and hard I hold it aloft - hard and fierce
The fist opens - the hand revealed And Love is all around
The Goddess walks with us in us
Her hands and arms embrace herself
and we are Goddess and God unified
God Bless Most Kind Regards
Lobster Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:06:55 -0700
From: E Jason To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca Subject: well, Well, wishing WELL
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Tom Aston wrote:
> >but what really matters
> >is the internment camp for women > >I'm going
> >as for the ovens > >I'm going
> >Please provide professional help
> have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau in Poland and also went on an "anti- > fascist" cultural camp in West Germany at the site of an old
> concentration camp at Neuengamme near Hamburg...
Thank you for reminding of these places but the Internment camp for women
is our Heart the Ovens are the flames of Love
and the professional help is the Goddess
> our conditioned sense of reason and conventional relationship is
> hopeless in the face of our own mortality
My Dear Kundalites, Beyond - go beyond the little hurt
When people say you are Krazzzzyyyy Say - I nose it - I groze it . . .
When people say "rot in hell" go pack your bags the temperature is HOT
See the good Accept
Transmute Transform
Find the higher meaning in the inane
> the Tantric yogi meditates in the cremation grounds surrounded by the
> crazy dakini lusting for his blood and mind garlanded in the skulls of > past yogis who have succumbed to the void
Cor . . .
Kinky stuff eh . . .
> there is inevitably a point in Tantric meditation when , by mundane
> standards, one must become crazy enough to die and dissolve all sense of > self, be it mundane or spiritual or transcendental, one must volunteer
> for the crematorium....
Into the flames time to Die (the little death of the ego attachments)
> Phil, your negativity to everyone and everything on this list suggests > you have got things the wrong way round here.
Yes indeed
Bless him!
> you are cursing your own darkness, which i am happy to embrace for as
> long as it takes,
I'll come Is it an orgy or can anyone join . . .
> so there're no masters of Tantra lording it over humanity,
Our mastership is of ourselves we then serve
> and i am one of those people who have found an unusual quality to this > list and value its integrity
Love to hate?
hate to Love? all is Love . . .
> one of the things i have loved in my short time on the list is its > spirit of cooperation and generosity and encouragement and honest
> appraisal of posts and one's insights....
> so either i have encountered a great yogi who has touched a raw nerve > and is able to destroy my illusions through negativity and criticism,
Kundalites . . .
Phil touches raw nerves he *is* a great Yogi
let us learn from him to transcend him
Most Kind Regards Lobster
(Dancing with the bad, the mad the fragile, the old, the young
Dancing with LOVE in all her many forms) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:50:58 -0700
From: E Jason To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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The sun shines, the brain warms
life is alive with bustle and attention luckily it is my turn to wash up
and slowly and carefully at full speed the mind and body blend into an awareness that is nonexistent
the radio plays gentle words steam escapes the kettle
a spider comes down to see if the washing up is finished for the dregs are his meal - he must be a special vegetarian spider
Love and wonder.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:07:36 -0700
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WARNING ----------- VERY RUDE WORDS AHEAD ---------
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May contain rude words e.g. Bugger your Moth**
and Fuck the Bud***
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Phillip & Leigh Hurley wrote:
> > The Lystmystress has called for cooling off and higher regard. I won't
> > post this to the list for that reason. Let's make up and be nice. > > Morgana
> My dear Morgana (not so wise)
"Let's make up and be nice?"
Well done to Morgana Wyze - wise enough to be nice.
> -If to you heart centered awareness
> includes making statements like buggering the Buddha and fucking your > mother as a representation of left hand tantrika practice as tom has
> stated then your right-I am one rude dude because I am not impressed > with this statement and I need to say something about the sewer he
> considers his source of enlightenment.
Lobster dances in delight . . . All in your head my delightful true disciple of the Left
Tom has shown that the stars are in the sewers and vice versa
His mind is inside out - no attachment to restricted mentality There is no need to lock up your Buddha´s
and he worships your Mother
> He like many others feels that he
> is immune from the effects of his statements to others. Not so. and I am > here to prove that point. It is easy to lead sheep - They do not ask
> questions -about your credibility - they do not challenge - and thus > they become so much mutton for the rack.
THIS HAVE I HEARD:
"He has come to guide us And he shall lead the sheep by the Left
and they shall ask that he be nice and he shall say - not likely I am the rude dude
And he shall deny Cigars to the Wise"
[ . . . no yawning at the back]
> It is no wonder that the
> heaven's gate incident occured. By the way I am not judging their right > to do what they wanted to do --but one does wonder about what could be
> a sad case of lack of discrimination on the part of the followers.
Please note (especially the mutton racked): Do not join cults
or commit suicide - it may effect your health and future ascension
> So > you need to be a little more on the ball dear. You have children-so give
> them your best and for your sake I hope they dont become tantrikas as if > Mr. Aston is correct then....................... You fill in the blanks.
> Aren't you glad he left that bit of wisdom for us all never to forget?
Yes thou rackers of mutton and especially Morgana (Lady with no Cigar
and apparently an antelope or deer?) If your Tantrikas (or tantrums) become children
laugh at them . . .
Most Kind Regards
(extra nice) Lobster
PS. teach us more Phil - teach us more . . . (having fun - heh heh heh . . . )
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:17:16 -0400 From: Dolce Vita
To: Pamela CC: Kundalini
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Hi Pamela, You want advice about your throat...The first thing I would do is go to
a throat nose and ears doctor to see if you dont have nodes in your vocal chords, I am a singer so I know about that. I believe that getting
that out of the way then you can proceed to find a regression therapyst to take you back in time, maybe you have trauma from another lifetime or
at birth. But if you say that your voice is deepening see the doctor first... do you smoke by any chance?
Hope to be of service to you. Love and light,
Lissettte Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:25:48 -0800
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This *just* might be relevant here:
To: Claudia McNeely
Cc: kundalini l , E Jason Subject: Re: baking yogis - journeys through hell........poisoning the well
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In message , Claudia McNeely writes
>Is it possible that this journey you are taking has been an opportunity to >get you in touch with your inner children? Tom is usually so serious.
>Lobster has always been in touch with his little boy, but more so with >these responses. Is it possible that this was just to give you the
>opportunity to play? Must say I have gotten a few laughs from it all. It >is not necessary to always be serious, some fun occasionally is okay.
>However, one or two comments did hit below the belt. But is that not >normal for 'little boys playing'?
> >Claudia McNeely
>whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net >www.texramp.net/~whitedove
ok. i admit it, i'm in love with lobster
laughing all the way to the crematorium...that's us --
Tom Aston Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 14:24:15 PDT
From: "Claudia McNeely" To: "Douglas Sunlin" ,
"kundalini l" Subject: Re: Why the Internet is Good
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> This *just* might be relevant here: >
> Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light > bulb?
This is really making the rounds today!! This is the third list I have
seen it on.
Claudia McNeely whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net
balancedATnospamtexramp.net www.texramp.net/~whitedove
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:53:54 +0100 From: Tom Aston
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Michael Yoshpa Subject: Re: Baked and ready to serve (read twice, please)!
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In message , Michael
Yoshpa writes >
>... then all these years in "famous" Russia of 1970's and 80's. Being brought up >in the 'hood where "Kike" was MY middle name. MY fellow jews used to say: "my
>last name is a curse". I hated Germans, for all they've done to MY country, to >MY people. And, later, Stalin, and all revlations that come with HIM. And, then,
>all OUR OWN concentration camps, millions killed without a trace left, like >sweat in the rain... And, this "NO JUSTICE" bitterness, and, of course, the
>DESIRE to be " THE JUSTICE", and to bring lond-awaited punishment... And the >last night in the International airport, where, while waiting for the flight, we
>were sitting among "Russian Germans" (sorry of an official Americanism), that >Stalin sent to Kazakstan during the WW2 (sounds familiar?). "Russian Germans" of
>"Folksdoitsche" were awaiting the same fate - departure for the better future to >Frankfurt... So, what else is new, I came all the way around the globe to "THE
>country of MY dreams". >... then, as Shakti found her way into my existence, i experienced an enormous
>horror in wiev of the fultility of my own existence, haterd and fears, as >lessons "par exellence" to be learned, as mirrors to be looked in. All the World
>history as one enormous lesson in sayng big "FAREWLL" to all the Ego bluffs... >... then, an unexpected liberation, dicontinuity, from being myself...
>... Phil, I ENVY YOU, I WISH I HAVE WRITTEN ALL THAT TO ASTON, 5 OR 10 OR 34 >YEARS AGO, TO RECIEVE A WHACK OF THE GNARLED STICK...
> >Russian-American-Jew that Hitler and Stalin had fortuantely killed,
>MMY >
Have read and reread this and seems to confirm the core meaning of my own experience in confronting madness of history although i was more of
a spectator on these things, not so much a victim, even if i did get baked in the end.....
if anyone's interested in a little intellectual research, i spent a long
time looking into Pol Pot in Cambodia, Stalin in the Soviet Union, Hitler in Europe and colonialism and slavery in Africa and the Caribbean
looking for some kind of causal chains and themes...
the closest i came to finding a coherent intellectual analysis of these disasters was The Dialectics of Disaster - A Preface To Hope (published
by Verso of London 1983) by Ronald Aaronson, a US academic, which is a profound and sophisticated Marxist inspired analysis of 20th century
history...he is, I believe, Jewish, but does not limit himself to using Holocaust for the German Holocaust, but also for the Soviet Holocaust
under Stalin.
He also talks about the "bourgeois-democratic holocaust" of Vietnam....and is not unsympathetic to the plight of the palestinians in
the Middle East.
but even this fell apart in the end as materialistic analysis of materialistic disorders proved altogether too simple....and saw
limitations of materialistic solutions too....
but some shared themes such as the need for the collective and whole to connect and harmonise....even if not in a Marxist or solely
materialistic sense....
here's a life affirming quote that Aaronson ends his book on - it has a relevance to themes we're talking about on the list which is probably
unintended.....
"There are after all, many reasons for joy. Our own self-empowerment, our learning to appreciate each half-step to victory, our experiencing
the depth and the richness of the WE...We wish it were not so, but today the commitment to sanity, to truth, to humanity, to survival, means
doing battle. Accordingly, we must learn to cultivate the pleasures of collective action."
-- Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:55:42 -0800 From: Douglas Sunlin
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: need some advice
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>Hi Pamela, >You want advice about your throat...The first thing I would do is go to
>a throat nose and ears doctor to see if you dont have nodes in your *Ooh, a burst of wisdom! They say, "Trust in Allah but tie your
camel to a tree." >Love and light,
*Indeed : ) >Lissettte
>
Buran Khan
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