1997/04/16 14:01
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #170
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 170
Today's Topics: Re: Hey folks, we really don't know anything :-)
Re: Playing Gods Ground energy
sex, drugs and rock and roll Re: Ground energy
postcard from nowhere Re: Tantric guru wannabe Lurker strikes
Re: Some quotes on sex Faerie festival
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center Re: Faerie festival
Dorje Ling baking yogis
Re: [Fwd: Re: Mind] Re: Wilhelm vs. Cleary
searching for answers [Fwd: Re: Some quotes on sex]
[Fwd: Re: postcard from nowhere] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:45:57 -0700
From: John Halonen To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hello,
Could you tel;l me what book that is quoteded from. I can't believe that came from the rosicrucians.
There are a few groups out there with the name rosicrucians, but only one takes it's true identity from the mystery schools of egypt.
Thank You.
Peace and Light John Halonen
At 03:22 PM 4/15/97 EDT, you wrote:
>ANYWAY...to articulate my point I'm gonna quote a passage (hey YOU, no
>yawning :) >from the "Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception"..........
>If anyone is unfamilir,, the Rosecrutians were kinda like the first msytical >Christian new-agers....they write about it all. They pretty well had it all
>figured out.....or so they thought............... >This book was first published in 1909 by Max Heindel....OK here
>goes....pg.438... >
> "In some systems it is required that the yogi >shall sit in certain positions, that particular cosmic currents may flow
>through his body in a certain way to produce definate results. That >instruction would be altogether useless for a Caucasion, as he is absolutely
>impervious to those currents......" >
>Peace to all.... >A lighthearted traveller,
>Mo :-) >
> >
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:51:24 -0700 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Playing Gods
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Sometimes all it takes is a piece of art to open us up to our higher selfs.
Thank You.
John Halonen
At 04:27 PM 4/15/97 +0100, you wrote: >
>>> >>> " Playing Gods"
>>> I have been dreaming and dreaming, intensely. >>>The Music in the air surrounds me everywhere, and the light with-in my
>body is bouncing higher, almost there, >>>I get moving, moving, when the music's in the airs, I start thinking
>creatively >>>and I am floating there, in one magic moment, I am gone to nowhere in
>particular, then, I'm back again, to face the next moment of my life, without >>>dispair.
>>>Going to heaven and back, I fell in the crack of Love, then rolled over and >>>over , stepping up, and did a dance on my Lover's heart,
>>>His heart did open and a flower did bloom, it bled so fast I thought of doom,
>>>I ran for help, and this is what I felt, >>>melting Love for me, it soften my Reality, once again I learned a Lesson,
>>>a Lesson for free, from a Lover of life , the Spirit and Me... >>>He is me and I am him, we are Friends and Lovers, dancing, dancing,
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:45:26 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galvan Ph.D"
To: Subject: Ground energy
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Can you describe your different methods to ground the energy when it goes
so wild into the head and start to produce heat in the head ?
Can your describe your indication or contraindication for this practices ?
Could you describe your own findings?
Love.
Om Shanti
Marco A. Galvan J.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:28:54 -0700 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: sex, drugs and rock and roll
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Peace, Love and Purity.
The road has gravel before it is paved.
Then there is still gravel underneath, just not visible to the naked eye. Light allows us to see, but is also blinding.
I wouldn't change my past for a second.
Sometimes it seemed like I was on the brink of hell. Sometimes heaven.
Don't let danger turn you back.
Don't let failure put you down. Don't dismiss the otherside of the coin. It's still half of the 25 cents.
Some of my most prominent dreams are of me being chased by a monster, I
run for a minute, then I turn around and grow into a huge monster and kill the sonof a ATnospam#$##.
This scared me at first, but I recognize it as part of me.
Other dreams I was on a hill talking to god.
This life is for living, not shedding. In living is where life is. Not searching for life.
And it is beautiful.
I love this list and the people on it. We're all crazy and sane.
Thank you everyone for sharing your ideas here.
Crazily insanely yours, John Halonen
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:39:18 -0700 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Ground energy
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Nice Bold Lettering. :~)
Imagine your energy going into your head from above, then down your body,
out your feet into the ground. If you stand up and bend your knees you will feel the weight of your body
rest on a spot below your navel,about 2 inches below.. Concentrating on this area helps to gound, center, balance.
To aliviate pressure in the head, heat or an abundance of energy, Push you toung to the back of your mouth as far as you can reach and touch the roof of your mouth with it. Feel the energy flow through your toung and down the front of your body.
This has really worked great for me lately.
Hope this helps, good luck.
John Halonen
At 09:45 AM 4/16/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>
Can you describe your different methods to ground the energy when it goes so wild into the head and start to produce heat in the head ?
Can your describe your indication or contraindication for this practices ?
Could you describe your own findings?
Love.
Om Shanti
Marco A. Galvan J.
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:31:10 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: postcard from nowhere Message-ID:
Dear Lobster,
Wish you were here, weather is.....well, just is....
and you aren't what you think you are, since i ate you for dinner last
night and excreted you just this morning....
locals very friendly....
am seeking professional advice from Tantric guru on advice of a friend who is worried...
he says i'm crazy, which shows things are getting better,
has prescribed bodhicitta and nectar on intravenous drip round the
clock....
psychosurgery progressing, brain disappearing fast under vajra knife of guru's grace.....
definitely a case for the professionals, but they'll have to come and
take me away....
>From An Anthology of Buddhist Tantric Songs, translated by Per Kvaerne
"What is achieved by all the samadhis ? In pleasure and pain one inevitably dies."
page 67
"Killing the mother-in-law, the aunt, and sister-in-law in the house, killing the mother, Kanha became a kapalika (one who is able to retain
great bliss)"
page 119
"I dispelled the three worlds (conditioned forms of mind, body and speech) by means of amorous play having fallen asleep in the sport of
sexual union."
page 150
"Some there are who speak ill of you; but those who discern do not remove you from their neck."
page 150
"O drunken Savara (Yogi), O maddened Savara - do not make noise or
complaint ! Your own wife is the 'Beautiful Woman of Simultaneously- arisen Bliss by name'."
page 182
"Speaking to whom and how shall the question be asked by me ? Like the
moon in the water it is neither true nor false."
page 188
"He who is wise, the very same is a fool; he who is a thief, the very same is a guard."
"The frog chases the serpent: does the milk that has been milked again
enter the teat ?"
page 203
"...when mind is not, there is neither sin nor virtue."
page 211
"Although the world is there, the fool does not see it (Bliss) - he does not see the butter in the milk although it is there."
page 239
Farewell for now and greetings to you all....
A Madman and Fool.....xxxxxxx
-- Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:49:46 -0700 From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Tantric guru wannabe Lurker strikes
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DChern1123ATnospamaol.com wrote: >
> Hey Phil, Why don't you just take a hike,come back later when you've > experienced some "chat room'' where people can appreciate your wonderful
> insights and style. Sorry, Old chap--but--the phrase "Take a hike" is not in my vocabulary.
I appreciate myself too much and I love to inflict myself on others. Enjoy your karma-Phil
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:25:55 -0700 From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Some quotes on sex
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: >
> >So, Mr. Aston; What is the next step for you--Internment camps for > >women? Perhaps the ovens?-Seek professional help-PLEASE!-Aum
> >Shanti--Phil > >
> Dear Philip, (and All) > please do refrain from making summary judgements on the sanity of
> members... >
> a.} Because you probably are not qualified to make such a judgement, and > even if you were qualified, I don't think a decent diagnosis would be made
> over an email list. >
> b.} Because it's not conducive to an environment where respect for > differences is cultivated.
> I have noticed a slight hostile edge to the list lately, feeling it > myself, not sure if it's a low energy crankiness or a high energy jitter. I
> am presently blaming solar flares...must be something like that, to make > even the K. Cop break common nettiquite.
> I would ask everyone please to take a deep breath before posting and > remember that if we didn't have differences, we would not have anything to
> discuss... >
> c.} Because it's not funny... many members have tangoed unfortunately > with mental health professionals. Too many K. awakened folks end up
> misdiagnosed and institutionalized or medicated beyond responding to the > flow of thier K.
> Why the Spiritual Emergency Network exists...to rescue Kundalites from > looney bins.
> I spent some very terrifying time fearing for my own sanity, in my most > recent tangle with the Void. Was not funny at all. Many members join
> because they do not understand what is happening to them and fear madness. > Most of us get called crazy often enough in real life...this is supposed
> to be an online oasis of understanding and tolerance. > Someone experiencing an opening and asking for help online might express
> some pretty wierd stuff. It is not supportive to suggest a psychiatrist, > given the overall ignorance of psychiatry when it comes to K.
> > d.} I think, too, that if you are grounded in your beliefs you can
> respond to Tom's quotes without resorting to name-calling. Did you consider > perhaps for a moment that he genuinely desired a response? I was enjoying
> the interplay of thoughts between you two, looking forward to seeing a > collection of opposing quotes...then you dropped it flat.
> (I do not have the scholarship to offer quotes..the post brouht out my > Morticia Addams humor..I am still giggling to myself imagining the Buddah
> quote gracing T-shirts in the West End :^) >
> This is a discussion group, and all aspects of K. are open to discussion, > often it is good when extreme views are discussed by learned members.
> Or novice members, asking wide eyed questions that have no single answer. > I treasure this space. It is possible that never before have so many K.
> awakened people, from so many diverse locations and backgrounds, religions > and cultures have met in an equal, ongoing forum to discuss the phenomena
> of K. > Imagine a hedonistic Dominatrix-Witch and a celibate Yogi being able to
> discuss thier respective experiences with respect for each of thier > individual choices?
> It's happened here, folks! Strange but true. Not the first time sich a > strange conversation, either...(Co-incident-ly..see the post on
> Steve/etc/aliases' passing for another...Philip.) > I can spot a mysogynist a million miles away, I train men out of misogyny
> they didn't even know they had until it was gone....Yogi Tom is not a > misogynist, tho the background of his cultural education is sometimes very
> much so, as he was showing us. > I value every voice on this list, even the ones I disgree
> with...sometimes especially the ones I disagree with, as they make me > rethink my beliefs, and so strengthen them. My world looks different from
> thier shoes. > And even the crazy voices, and sometimes I am one of those, present
> Goddess challenge to find love and acceptance for all, IMHO. > I think it's safe to say, if you haven't doubted your sanity, seriously
> at least once, you're probably not K. awakened... > Blessings of harmony, List Mystress.
> > Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> Dominant Experiential Facilitator. > Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> ******************* > Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
> -- Hector Louis Berlioz > Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of
> something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide > review board
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Dear sweet Mystresss. I hate to say this but you have so to speak uh run up against a brick wall, or shall I say sat on your snake. I like myself
too much to refrain from doing what I do, as a matter of fact all these wonderful responses have only added to my delight. So my answer to you
is "No way Jose!" However, perhaps you can all get together and uh sort of put me under with a real big time curse or something. I'm always up
for more challenges. However you might wish to take another approach called censorship-(by the way isn't that what your trying to do now?)
like kicking me off the list or only letting certain disneyland type messages through. Besides I'm only getting warmed up - I have more
surprises in store for everybody. Who else could you find that would drive yogi (wannabe guru) Tom over the edge and into yogi hell
blithering like an idiot.This is worth the price of the admission itself. Listen; I'm good entertainment - I accept all challenges, and
dispose of them as I will. Oh, Yes this "qualified" thing you are talking about---"I don't need no stinking badges"--qualified? you must
be kidding. "Just to the Purpose"--Heh-Heh-Enjoy your karma---Phil Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Elsner To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I am not sure if any of you are located in the York, PA area, but I thought I would mention anyway that in a nearby town (Glen Rock, I
believe) there is to be a Faerie Festival on May the 3 or 4th (it's a saturday whatever it is) and I'll be there. It sounds like a blast- they
have herbal teas, make faerie dust, and other things. I plan on showing up IN COSTUME!!!
So if anyone's in the area and is interested, let me know and I'll get you the pertinent information.
namaste,
Steve Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:36:58 -1000 (HST)
From: Ron Harrow To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Ok, so I'm your basic lurker, but I had to say something about Phil Hurley's behaviour. What should you do when a two year old throws a temper tantrum? You walk away, of course and IGNORE the child. They usually get the idea and learn that that behaviour is unacceptable. Do you all see what I'm getting at here? By the way, I love Leigh's posts as I love reading all of yours too. I like to think that we are all here on earth to learn needed lessons, and whatever we do and whatever we experience is good, because those are the lessons we need to learn at that point in our existence.
Bye for now.
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Burnett
To: Steve Elsner Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Steve, I'm from New Freedom actually! I go to school in Baltimore. What a small world. The Faerie Festival is loads of fun.
I don't have costumes, but it would be lovely to meet up with fellow list members!
Sat Nam, Charlie Burnett lcburnetATnospamPeabody.jhu.edu
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Steve Elsner wrote:
> I am not sure if any of you are located in the York, PA area, but > I thought I would mention anyway that in a nearby town (Glen Rock, I
> believe) there is to be a Faerie Festival on May the 3 or 4th (it's a > saturday whatever it is) and I'll be there. It sounds like a blast- they
> have herbal teas, make faerie dust, and other things. > I plan on showing up IN COSTUME!!!
> So if anyone's in the area and is interested, let me know and I'll get you > the pertinent information.
> > namaste,
> Steve >
> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:54:10 -0400
From: Dennis Nord To: Kundalini Message
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Someone mentioned having positive experiences listening to "Dorje
Ling." Can you be more specific as to EXACTLY what CD that was?
I did a quick Web search and found a couple of "Dorje Lings" by David Parsons. This particular Web page was not well organized, and it left
me confused.
Thanks.
Dennis Nord norddenATnospamhsd.utc.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:02:32 -0700 From: E Jason
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: baking yogis
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Phil, that profound Yogi saith (why I know not?)
So, Mr. Aston; What is the next step for you--Internment camps for women? Perhaps the ovens?-Seek professional help-PLEASE!-Aum
Shanti--Phil
Yogi Tom Loves women deeply
their spirit too
and men but only their spirit
Now of course the spirit is matter but what really matters
is the internment camp for women I'm going
as for the ovens I'm going
Please provide professional help
Most Kind Regards
Lobster too mad to be treated
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:02:09 -0700 From: E Jason
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mind]
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Learner wrote:
the best way to teach is to Learn welcome to active participation
your mind and soul are most welcome
> According to my humble opinion....soul *does* exist.
> I also think that "mind" or whatever, is what carries our experiences > from one life to the other !
Quite possibly
What do you think the nature of the Soul is? How is it different to Mind?
How is this related to kundalini?
> This I believe is shown in that some people seem to be closer to say
> Truth than the others..and through different births you learn different > things.
Seems reasonable to me . . .
> again i was just an ex-lurker...
what do you mean "just" some of my favourite people lurk
porcupine are you still with us?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (a deactivated lurker) Date: 16 Apr 97 16:12:18 EDT
From: Michael Yoshpa To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
Subject: Re: Wilhelm vs. Cleary Message-ID:
Dear Tom!
You have been reffering to Wilhelm's translation of "The secret of the Golden flower", which has long been considered classical. The new translation by Thomas
Cleary has recently come out, in which Cleary states, that Wilhelm's translation has many misinterpretations and mistranslations, with several
chapters being omitted altogeter. This seem to be true after comparing the two translations...
Not being an expert on ancient Chinese writings myself, I am wondering if you have heard/read about the above?
Hope this will be of some help.
MMY
P.S.: my "Tantric sex" question had produced many repercussions with some unpexpected twists - all very much thanks to your attention and ability to
share! Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: FervidElanATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: searching for answers Message-ID:
I posted a question a little while ago, but never recieved a response.
It's under Re: Meditational Music/Musical Meditation.... dated 4/14. I may have not recieved the reply or maybe it was over looked. Help
would be greatly appreciated and your advice means alot... thank you. (if you have it and i missed it, please forward it to me... thanks)
Luke Duffy
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:37:35 -0700 From: E Jason
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:16:52 -0700 From: E Jason
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Phillip & Leigh Hurley wrote:
> Dear sweet Mystresss. I hate to say this but you have so to speak uh run
> up against a brick wall, or shall I say sat on your snake. I like myself > too much to refrain from doing what I do, as a matter of fact all these
> wonderful responses have only added to my delight. So my answer to you > is "No way Jose!" However, perhaps you can all get together and uh sort
> of put me under with a real big time curse or something.
Not fair! Why does he get all the best curses . . .
and he's sitting on a snake hope you killed it . . .
well done!
> I'm always up > for more challenges. However you might wish to take another approach
> called censorship-(by the way isn't that what your trying to do now?) > like kicking me off the list or only letting certain disneyland type
> messages through.
Oh no let him stay
let him stay . . . oh you were going to anyway . . .
HOORAY!
> Besides I'm only getting warmed up - I have more
> surprises in store for everybody.
Surprises???? Hooray - I love surprises
Maybe he is going to be rude . . . Oh the suspense
[yawn] - sorry . . . . . . Oh the suspense
> Who else could you find that would
> drive yogi (wannabe guru) Tom over the edge and into yogi hell > blithering like an idiot. This is worth the price of the admission
> itself. Listen; I'm good entertainment - I accept all challenges, and > dispose of them as I will. Oh, Yes this "qualified" thing you are
> talking about---"I don't need no stinking badges"--qualified? you must > be kidding. "Just to the Purpose"--Heh-Heh-Enjoy your karma---Phil
He's arrogant isn't he?
I like him already . . . Poor Tom - so happy to be an idiot.
Most Kind Regards Awaiting surprises Lobster
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:37:54 -0700 From: E Jason
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:00:34 -0700 From: E Jason
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To: Tom Aston Subject: Re: postcard from nowhere
References:
--- Health warning ---- --- Crazy People at Play ----
Tom Aston wrote:
> Dear Lobster,
> am seeking professional advice from Tantric guru on advice of a friend
> who is worried... > he says i'm crazy, which shows things are getting better,
> has prescribed bodhicitta and nectar on intravenous drip round the > clock....
> psychosurgery progressing, brain disappearing fast under vajra knife of > guru's grace.....
> definitely a case for the professionals, but they'll have to come and > take me away....
You are lost to the world
at this rate you will have to join me in hell (trying to save the soul of the Devil)
When people say you are crazy insist on another injection
> >From An Anthology of Buddhist Tantric Songs, translated by Per Kvaerne >
> "What is achieved by all the samadhis ? In pleasure and pain one > inevitably dies."
Ha Ha Ha Ha - Death - look forward to it . . .
> "Killing the mother-in-law, the aunt, and sister-in-law in the house, > killing the mother, Kanha became a kapalika (one who is able to retain
> great bliss)"
- warning - Please do not attempt the killing of any member of your own ego group until dead --- end warning ---
> "I dispelled the three worlds (conditioned forms of mind, body and > speech) by means of amorous play having fallen asleep in the sport of
> sexual union."
Ah yes sexual union - delightful for the celibate to contemplate Ah yes sexual onion - just another layer of joyous tears
> "Some there are who speak ill of you; but those who discern do not > remove you from their neck."
How very true
Profound true
- what does it mean? Who cares its probably true anyway
> "O drunken Savara (Yogi), O maddened Savara - do not make noise or > complaint ! Your own wife is the 'Beautiful Woman of Simultaneously-
> arisen Bliss by name'."
I remember marrying Sophia back you ignorant one she said
but would I listen?
> "Speaking to whom and how shall the question be asked by me ? Like the
> moon in the water it is neither true nor false."
Truely false drink the moon
sit on the water
> "He who is wise, the very same is a fool; he who is a thief, the very
> same is a guard."
Guard your thief well he will fool you with wisdom
> "The frog chases the serpent: does the milk that has been milked again > enter the teat ?"
The frog milks the serpent without a teat
> "...when mind is not, there is neither sin nor virtue."
good enough reason to do good bad enough reason to do good
> "Although the world is there, the fool does not see it (Bliss) - he does > not see the butter in the milk although it is there."
Churn - churn - churn
> Farewell for now and greetings to you all.... > A Madman and Fool.....xxxxxxx
Hooray!
Stay sane my Friend
Most Kind Regards
Lobster Sober as a judge
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