1997/04/13 22:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #163
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 163
Today's Topics:
Skywatch: (2/2) The OMEGA File: THE BEGINNING
[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: the guru's grace, shaktipat and the journey home]]
Re: A great tan
SKYWATCH or KUNDALINI WATCH?!!
KUNDALINI WATCH (Correction)
Re: KUNDALINI WATCH (Correction)
Tom
Love
LOVE METER
Re: A great tan
Re: Cobra Breath
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:55:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Skywatch: (2/2) The OMEGA File: THE BEGINNING
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>Some 'contactees' such as Maurice Doreal claim that the reptiloids in
>prehistoric times lived in the Antarctic region, when it was a
>subtropical zone, and that they were subsequently driven underground and
>off the planet by a race or pre-Nordic humans whose lost and
>long-forgotten civilization now lies buried deep beneath the sands of
>the Gobi desert. Some of these scientifically advanced 'Nordics'
>migrated westward and eventually gave rise to the tribes who would in
>the course of time lay the foundations for the Scandinavian nations,
>whereas others went underground into a subterranean realm called
>'Agharti', located generally below central Asia and the Gobi. Millions
>of Buddhists know the legend of Agharti, but they consider it sacred
>knowledge and are careful about revealing the 'secret of secrets' to
>skeptical Westerners. World travellers such as Nicholas Roerich in his
>book "SHAMBHALA" and Ferdinand Ossendowski in his work "BEASTS, MEN AND
>GODS" had gained the trust of these natives and detailed the legends of
>'Agharti' in a humble and respectful manner. According to ancient
>Agharian crystalholographic recordings which Doreal's 'Blond' friends --
>from an underground colony below Mt. Shasta, California -- showed him
>within an ancient repository vault beneath the Himalayas, these ancient
>'pre-Nordics' waged a war for the surface of the planet and later an
>underground war against the 'serpent' races which had taken residence
>within a system of massive multi-levelled underground caverns beneath
>the southwestern slopes of the Himalayas and the Indian subcontinent.
>These caverns were and are known by Hindus as the realm of 'Patala', or
>'Snakeworld', where the 'Nagas' or serpent people dwell in their capital
>city of Bhoga-vita. Many Hindus considered the 'Nagas' to be 'demons',
>whereas others were prone to worshipping them. Aryan-Hindu legend tells
>of at least two enterances to the Nagas underground 'world', one of
>three worlds spoken of in Hindu cosmology. One entrance is believed to
>be Sheshna's well in Benares, India and another is located in the
>mountains surrounding Lake Manosarowar, Tibet. Both the 'Reptiloids' and
>'Nordics' eventually left the planet, leaving the ancient remains and
>ruins of their cultures within the underground caverns. Similar ruins as
>well as current operational bases reportedly exist on and beneath the
>surface of the moon and Mars, along with signs of the ancient wars that
>the humanoids and reptiloids fought for control of the solar system
>before both species discovered how to manipulate hyperspace and began
>sending explorers and colonists to other nearby starsystems.
>
>The humanoids eventually colonized the Lyra, Pleiades, and Andromeda
>constellations as well as others; whereas the reptiloids colonized the
>Draconis, Orion, and Reticulum constellations, among other systems. The
>stories that contactees tell of the devastating battles and galactic
>massacres -- in almost every case initiated by the
>collectivist-interventionist reptiloids/greys -- between the two
>galactic superpowers are integral although controversial elements within
>the annals of Ufology. Now the 'war' is coming 'back home' one might
>say, in that 'Mother Earth' in addition to being the original home world
>is also perhaps the most strategic world in the galaxy when one
>considers its centralized location and the profusity of genetic
>materials, water, chemicals, minerals, flora, fauna, etc., in great
>abundance and variety.
>
>The 'Draco-Orion' Empire agents -- who according to some contactees are
>operating within the comet-planetoid 'Hale-Bopp' and other numerous
>'asteroids' in this system in order to conceal their activities -- are
>here to build an army of human mind-servants [via abductions, mind
>control implants, etc.] who they can program with alternate identities
>which are activated during abduction experiences. They realize that
>Terrans possess an inherant warrior instinct-passion and a potent
>'metagene factor' resulting from a mixture of many racial lines which
>can produce specialized genetic abilities within individuals...
>instincts and abilities which the Grey-Reptiloid interventionists
>believe would be better harnessed and subverted than challenged. They
>intend to use these programmed abductees as 'human shields' or weapons
>in the ancient war against their enemies in the 'Andro-Pleiadean'
>Federation, who incidentally maintain a massive underground basing
>system centered below the Death Valley region of California. This 'base'
>was originally established around 2500 B.C. by ancient navigators from
>Greece and India who discovered vast caverns within the Panamint
>mountains. According to Paiute Amerindian legends these "Hav-musuves"
>were dressed like Greeks and had constructed vast cities of "marble
>beuty" within large cavern systems deep beneath the Mojave desert
>regions, cities which some Paiute chiefs had seen with their own eyes.
>The "Havmusuvs" later developed an aerial technology once the inland sea
>which filled Death Valley in ancient times -- and connected it to the
>Pacific Ocean -- disappeared. At first this 'silvery flying canoes'
>which appeared in the skies around 1000-2000 B.C. were small, possessed
>wings, and moved with a loud 'whirring' sound. Later models were larger,
>wingless, and more silent. More sophisticated craft appeared that could
>travel between worlds, and later between stars, and as a result of their
>discovery of the secrets of 'Hyperspace Travel' they were able to
>colonize other worlds and star systems. The manipulation of Hyperspace
>was incidentaly also a part of the Philadelphia/Rainbow projects of the
>1940's and Phoenix/Montauk projects of the 1980's. Creating a hyperspace
>field is not as difficult as one might think, and essentially involves
>the electromagnetic generation and manipulation of magnetic and
>anti-magnetic fields. It is the concise 'focusing' of such fields in
>order to accomplish certain tasks without disasterous side-effects which
>is where things become complex.
>
>The Andro-Pleiadean Federation forces based under Death Valley were
>reportedly in contact with Nikola Tesla -- through whom they guided the
>Navy's Philadelphia Experiments behind the scenes. Forty years later the
>Draco-Orion forces based under Archuleta Mesa had established contact
>with Dr. John von Neumann, who was director of the Montauk Projects on
>behalf of the [Nazi] Thule Society. The betrayal of the Navy's
>Philadelphia/Rainbow Technology to the Thule Society's Phoenix/Montauk
>Projects was accomplished by a joint CIA/NSA-SIRIAN-DRACONION "double
>agency" called the "Black Monks", who were involved in BOTH the
>Philadelphia AND Montauk projects. This agency was brought under the
>psychological control of the Draconian - Bavarian collaboration and
>became an instrument for the infiltration of these outside forces into
>American intelligence agencies, and in fact all levels of American
>society. As for the Phoenix [Montauk] and Philadelphia [Rainbow]
>projects, these are reportedly being carried out separately by 'Nazi'
>and U.S. Navy intelligence, respectively, as late as the 1990's and this
>has resulted in what might be referred to as a time-space war between
>the Andro-Plieadean-Navy backed "Philadelphian" agents and the
>Draco-Orion-Nazi backed "Phoenician" agents. There are even rumors that
>Nikola Tesla's death may have been faked, and that he escaped and joined
>a secret "Marconi" scientific underground colony somewhere in South
>America. If such rumors have any basis in fact, then what interaction if
>any they may have had with the secret 'Nazi' bases in South America
>remains a mystery.
>
>In addition to the above, according to contactee Israel Norkin,
>Draconian and Orionite agents have been infiltrating the so-called
>"Ashtar" collective lodges based in Sirius-B, and have apparently
>commandeered a segment of the implant-based electronic collective "hive
>mind" for their own use, masquerading as "Ascended Masters" to
>facilitate an easy assimilation of Sirian cultists into their agenda.
>Other Sirians were able to see through the deception and, joining forces
>with the 'Federation' [Andromedans, Pleiadeans, Tau Cetians, Procyonese,
>Koldasians, etc.], they begen to break away from the Ashtar collective's
>cultic stranglehold and develop their lost personal sovereignty and
>commenced to wage a relentless civil war against the Orion-Sirian
>collaboration, driving them from the system.
>
>The Sirian resistance to the collaboration may have had its roots among
>those patriotic Sirians who remembered the devastating wars which had
>been fought in the past against the Orionites over which side would
>serve as the overlords for this immediate sector of space [21 star
>systems including Sol]. NOW the epicenter of the entire galactic battle
>is gravitating towards the Sol system as the Draconians, Orionites and
>their human collaborators are arriving here en masse to support a New
>World Order agenda which will serve as a power-base through which they
>can once again re-group their forces. Apparently planet earth, the
>original 'home world', is the KEY. If the Draconians and Orionites can
>impose a fascist New World Order on the planet, ruled by a human elite
>who are completely sold-out to their agenda, they believe that they can
>use planet earth and the New World Order as a base from which they can
>destroy forever their enemies in the Federaton.
>
>According to Preston Nicholes, Federation agents from the Andromeda and
>Pleiades constellation 'beamed' into the Montauk base under Camp Hero at
>the northernmost tip of Long Island, sacrificing their lives in an
>attempt to sabotage the projects there and prevent what they believed to
>be a very real and potential space-time disaster of apocalyptic
>proportions, which was being precipitated by fascist and alien
>scientists who were playing god by experimenting with the elemental
>forces of the universe. This might have been on the same scale of, or
>even worse than, the space-time disaster which was precipitated by an
>ancient antediluvian?] race, leaving a 'rift' in the time-space
>continuum in what has become known as the Bermuda Triangle.
>
>Several thousand young people, according to Preston Nicholes, Peter Moon
>and Al Bielek, have reportedly been abducted by the CIA-Nazi-Grey
>collaboration and have been taken to the Montauk base for 'programming'
>and release. Several thousands more children who were part of the
>Montauk Projects -- before they were sabotaged in 1985 only to be
>reestablished at a later date by the CIA/NSA -- were abducted
>permanently and used in time-space dimensional window and mind control
>experiments. Most of these children, who were usually 'street kids' or
>'homeless kids' who would not be 'missed' as much as the children of
>more wealthy parents -- were 'lost' in the other dimensions as a result
>of these experiments.
>
>So then, according to some there is absolutely no doubt that -- as they
>did within the underground facilities of Germany -- the 'Nazis' and the
>'Greys' are collaborating to this day from underground bases beneath
>Camp Hero [Montauk Point, Long Island]; Area 51 [Nellis Air Force Base,
>Nevada]; Dulce [Archuleta Mesa, New Mexico], and a massive underground
>facility below the Denver International Airport. This latter facility,
>according to 'inside' sources, is being prepared to be used as the New
>World Order control-center for America. Aside from the many anomalous
>stories that have surfaced from the D.I.A., there are bizarre accounts
>of strange tunnels and seemingly useless equipment at the Airport --
>'useless' that is unless one intends to confine and transport large
>numbers of people to deep underground concentration camps which are
>rumored even now to be active and occupied by unfortunate men, women and
>children who have mysteriously 'disappeared' from outer society.
>
>Many Americans know on an unconscious or intuitive level that something
>has gone terribly wrong with their country, and the aliens/fascists are
>desperately trying to turn this frustration inward in order to further
>destabilize American society. An abused society will take out their
>frustrations on whatever they 'perceive' to be the source of the abuse.
>And in many cases the true abusers or oppressors will escape justice by
>carefully creating 'scape goats' who are 'framed' in order to recieve
>the collective wrath of the nation... whether that scapegoat is in the
>form of a Lee Harvey Oswald, a Sirhan Sirhan, a Tim McVey, an Aldrich
>Ames, etc. Although such men may have been 'programmed' to do what they
>did, they are certainly NOT the ones who are ultimately responsible.
>
>Are we headed for an impending war with an "underground empire" that was
>jointly established by Aliens and National Socialists who were given
>refuge within the Military-Industrial complex following the end of World
>War II? Area-51, the Montauk base, the Denver International Airport
>base, and the Dulce base seem to be the MAJOR North American centers of
>activity for the collaboration between the agents of the Bavarian Black
>Nobility cults [who have ruled vast financial empires in Europe for over
>1500 years] and the alien 'Greys' -- although there are other bases
>located in other parts of the world as we will see... one of them being
>a joint Nazi-Alien network reputedly existing beneath the mountains of
>Neu Schwabenland, Antarctica -- possibly the very staging-base from
>where the 'aliens' who abducted Betty and Barney Hill operated. Another
>-- the "M.A.L.T.A" or "Montauk Alsace-Lorraine Time Archives" base -- is
>reportedly located in the Alsace-Lorraine Mts. near the border of
>France-Germany, and yet another 'Dulce type' base is said to exist near
>Alice Springs / Pine Gap Australia.
>
>Anomalous Images and UFO Files:
>http://www.anomalous-images.com
>http://www.anomalous-images.com/ftp.html (Anonymous FTP Site)
>
************************
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:58:50 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: the guru's grace, shaktipat and the journey home]]
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:55:36 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
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To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: the guru's grace, shaktipat and the journey home]
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E Jason wrote:
>
> Phillip & Leigh Hurley wrote:
>
> > In response to Mr. Aston's fear of having conventional sex while raising
> > the Kundalini. First of all I have been teaching students to raise
> > Kundalini since the early 70's. My students have been all householders.
>
> Yawn . . .
> Free service is it?
> Are you some kind of - what is the word - Guru?
> Tom Aston is well aware of Kundalini
> Perhaps you mistake tadpoles for serpents?
>
> > Not one person has had any problem that you have mentioned. Running away
> > from a tool because you have banged or can bang your fingers with it, is
> > a questionable practice, as in fact you are trying to run away from your
> > inept self.. You cannot run away from your self and thus your ineptness;
>
> My Dear and Gentle Snake Charmer
> ineptness is in stating who is inept
> thus do I say I am greatly inept
> If no problems arose of the nature discussed
> you are clearly doing something of no danger whatsoever
> and doubtless of equal spiritual - as opposed to psycho-sexual - worth
>
> > Sex phobias are not any more wholesome than sexual
> > addiction. It appears to me you have a boogyman chasing you! And as Pogo
> > said "I have met the enemy and it is us". Lets get out of this "If you
> > play with yourself you will go blind psychology).
>
> Fear chases us into sex as well as away from it
> Tom and yourself are both Tantric Warriors
> The difference is in the results
> we see his
> and we see yours
> We all play with ourselves
> and we all involve others
> So you see the enemy is your best friend
>
> > There is a long history of
> > misogyny in Yoga discipline. The only Yoga discipline that has
> > historically, as a rule of thumb recognized women as powrful spiritual
> > teachers is Left hand Tantrics-Vamacharins.
>
> Most female Yogis work with women
> There is a long history of misogyny. (that was a Full Stop)
> However on this list you will find
> people expressing Love
> Love for each other irrespective of gender
> Love is the path
> Love is the goal
> Kundalini?
> Just a snake . . .
>
> > Again what I am trying to
> > say is that there is a powerful connection between the concept of purity
> > and misogyny in the history of Yoga and other spiritual disciplines.
> > Examine what you say -it may have roots in something other than you
> > think. Many yogi's and swamis that I have met claim enlightenment
> > because they had a few astral or causal experiences and yet would not
> > allow women in their ranks because they represent the uncontrolled
> > serpent.
>
> Yogi Tom speaks with experience and knowledge
> Perhaps as a left handed Tantrist you might consider
> worshipping him as an embodiment of Shakti?
> This would give him ample oppurtunity
> to explore the nature of humility
> and not being seduced by ego gratification
> For yourself it would probably be
> a meaningless practise
> to add to your others with useless and unbalanced
> Gurus.
> Just a thoughtless thought . . .
>
> > These self proclaimed teachers were obviously out of balance in
> > many different ways and on many different planes. You do not deny the
> > Goddess on this plane and expect to be her consort on another. This is
> > foolishness. Sooner or later we all run out of places to hide and this
> > good buddy is where the rubber meets the road--May your god go with
> > you.--Phil
>
> mmm . . .
> Hopefully you came across some balanced Gurus
> or perhaps the ones you preferred?
> As someone who denies the Goddess and God in every form
> I am clearly a fool -I agree-Cha Cha Cha - Phil
> so I am sure you will forgive such
> obvious ineptitude . . .
>
> Love and Most Kind Regards
> Lobster
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:30:09 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: morganaATnospambest.com
Subject: Re: A great tan
Message-ID: <3351A4C1.5B5FATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
Morgana Wyze wrote:
>
> Hey Tom, Phillip, and Leigh,
>
> All spiritual paths are valid, don't we all end up at the same place?
> I say potata, you say potato....I'm for the middle way and I don't see a
> need to justify it [center align]. ;) Sex is great, but as the mother
> of a very young child, I'd have to say that sleep is better. It's all
> in the life experience.
> And, Jason, if I can't say I then who is the I that is addressing the
> you? I'll take plain grammar, pretty-please.
> Thanks to everyone who gave me support during my tax blues, including
> practical advice to certify the return. Wrists still intact, the red is
> only ink on paper.
> Blissfully,
> Morgana
Your fortune cookie for the day--(Beware of simple solutions to complex
problems and complex solutions to simple problems)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:03:02 +0100
From: Charles Wildbank <wildbankATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: SKYWATCH or KUNDALINI WATCH?!!
Message-Id: <01030277400581ATnospampeconic.net>
Could anyone on the K-list tell me what Jason's Skywatch and Omega has
to do with the Kundalini? There is a nice Free Agent space for this
stuff and would reach a greater number of parties than the K-list. He
could perhaps put all of it on his beautiful web home page and just give us
the http://..........I always make a point of looking up these home pages
offered generously and have done everyone's homepage offered out of
healthy curiosity.
My e-mail is too much to read each day. Please! Just give us your home-
page with an exciting "come-on" at the bottom of your insights to the
Kundalini, something I am more desperate to study. VIVA KUNDALINI
Charles
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:07:29 +0100
From: Charles Wildbank <wildbankATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: KUNDALINI WATCH (Correction)
Message-Id: <01072905600590ATnospampeconic.net>
Dear KUNDALINI WATCHERS
I mentioned a 'Jason" by mistake when I meant Jon Locke.
My apologies. Just keep watching the Kundalini anyway....
Charles (Flamer gets Flamed)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:48:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: Charles Wildbank <wildbankATnospampeconic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: KUNDALINI WATCH (Correction)
Message-Id: <v0153050eaf76f455e8b4ATnospam[209.42.129.78]>
>Dear KUNDALINI WATCHERS
>
>I mentioned a 'Jason" by mistake when I meant Jon Locke.
>My apologies. Just keep watching the Kundalini anyway....
>
>Charles (Flamer gets Flamed)
Dear Charles,
I will take what you say to heart. I just learned how to hit the
SELECT ALL button and went wild with it. A woman in Florida is teaching me
how to compile mailing lists so I won't have to bother those not
interested.
By the way, while I am on the subject, there IS a connection
between Kundalini and UFOs. It is said that one of the powers of the
awakened Kundalini is levitation. There is also the ability to build a
magnetic field around you which can melt snow and fly. It has been
demonstrated in OMNI magazine. (I don't know the issue, but several years
ago.) A team of photographers went up in to the Hymalayas. They found a
willing Yogi who demonstrated the Merkaba breathing technique for them. The
snow melted and he turned into a ball of white and orange light. It was
shaped like two saucers turned top to top and spread out 55 feet wide. The
yogi then climbed intot he air and disappeared.
Like you I am not interested in the mechanical UFOs we hear reported so
often, but the orange and white ones coming out of the extinct volcano in
Mexico are being described as "orange globs or orbes," by witnesses. The
worlds leading experet on Kundalini, Drunvalo Melchizedek, says they are
living Merkabas from the Inner Earth.
O.K. I won't spend any more time with this . I will do as you say
and give my home page.
Love and Light, Jon
************************
"We all want to go to Heaven; just not right now."- Mark Twain
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:03:33 -0700
From: Pamela <pamelaATnospamserv.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Tom
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Tom,
I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy the things you post. You have
a lot of wisdom and I really appreciate your sharing it with me and
others on this list!
Pamela
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:03:16 -0400
From: Doug Houston <loraxATnospamworldpath.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Love
Message-ID: <33519064.1871ATnospamworldpath.net>
I get the feeling that the LOVE meter is not pegged here at the k-list.
Just because we might disagree about the details doesn't mean we can't
flood this place with LOVE. No, there is nothing wrong with your
computer, just turn the love dial up please, and come out typing.
Namaste, and love dial pegged
Doug
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:15:49 +0100
From: Charles Wildbank <wildbankATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: LOVE METER
Message-Id: <03154963900815ATnospampeconic.net>
Today's LOVE METER
0 0 0 0 0 1
Count me in!
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:14:30 -0700
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A great tan
Message-ID: <3351AF26.383AATnospambest.com>
Phillip & Leigh Hurley wrote:
> Your fortune cookie for the day--(Beware of simple solutions to complex
> problems and complex solutions to simple problems)
I have my computer set up to notify me when someone wants to set a
"cookie" so that I can CANCEL it. You might not have meant to sound so
condescending, and I may not mean to sound so scathing.
Simply,
Morgana
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Amber SilverWolf <aberman1ATnospamic3.ithaca.edu>,
Kundalini list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Cobra Breath
Message-Id: <199704140422.VAA25883ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
At 05:33 PM 4/9/97 -0400, Amber SilverWolf wrote:
>> I cant find anyone in the US that does shaktipat!!
>
>What the hell...? I spotted this message and was very tempted to respond
>to it immediately. I live in the States, and you can't get a teacher
>around here to save your life. If you do, you're very, very lucky.
>Trying to find a teacher isn't easy. Often enough people who know this
>stuff won't go around publicizing that they do, and you just can't walk up
>to someone and say, "Teach me." It just doesn't work that way. I've
>*never* had a teacher, at least not a private one, save my classes here at
>IC. I am fortunate to live in a major Buddhist center, and they do offer
>classes at the monastery, which I am considering taking.
>Receiving the necessary permission to, say, perform Buddhist tantra is a
>good one. I hear that they do offer ceremonies occasionally to give the
>proper blessing or whatnot, but never know how to ask or how to go about
>approaching such a topic around here.
>Living in the States is *not* easy. There may be many things here, but
>it's a big country and getting to these places, these people, not to
>mention trying to establish a relationship with someone who doesn't think
>that you're one of those messed-up New Agers is extremely difficult.
>Those who learn these great sex techniques and think they're practicing
>"Tantra" and charge big bucks from people to learn what they supposedly
>know give a bad rep. They refer to it as teaching false dharma.
>Get a teacher? I wish. That's been my dream for the past several years.
>However, I seem to be doomed to be a Lone Wolf with info restricted to my
>classes as a religion minor, books, and hopefully some classes at Namgyal,
>and the last is at best right now....
>* Amber *
Have you looked for the teacher within?
She/He/They tend to show up when you meditate regularly.
M
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