1997/04/06 13:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #148
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 148
Today's Topics:
Prediction: 2 Stars will be sighted on April 12th!
Re: Welcome lurker Diva Leigh
Ballad of the Greys.
Re: That Man/Woman thing-thang
[Fwd: Re: sex and Tantra - a few technical points]
[Fwd: Re: Man/woman, Sex and dirt, etc]
Re: That Man/Woman thing-thang
Repost: Making love with god
Re: sex and Tantra - a few technical points
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:53:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Prediction: 2 Stars will be sighted on April 12th!
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>From: AurauranetATnospamaol.com
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>To: EngrvdATnospamaol.com
>Subject: Prediction: 2 Stars will be sighted on April 12th!
>
>
>******************
>Wolf Lodge Cultural Foundation News Letter
>******************
>
>PREDICTION: 2 STARS WILL BE SIGHTED IN TUCSON, ARIZONA ON SATURDAY, APRIL
>12TH BETWEEN 10:00 AM & 3:00 PM AT THE BEST WESTERN GHOST WOLF LODGE!
>THE STARS APPEARING HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ROBERT GHOST WOLF AND LAURA LEE
>MISTYCAH.
>************
>*****************
>Humanity is standing at the edge of time, as once again we are entering the
>Alchemical Garden of Creation. We have questions about self and relationship.
>We know intuitively this is the time of awakening. Feelings and emotions that
>have long been buried deep within your soul. Imprinted from eons of
>experience within the dream of the human drama, lifetime after lifetime are
>all rising to the surface. At times we feel so much that we find ourselves
>sometimes wishing, we could magically turn our feelings off. Spirit calls for
>the answer to this inner state of confusion that prevails, as the world as we
>once knew it transforms before our
>very eyes. Everything is shifting. Often there is no solid ground to walk
>upon. Only the human heart remains the same.
>
>Robert Ghost Wolf and Laura Lee Mistycah invite you to attend a one day
>seminar/workshop in Tucson, Arizona at the Best Western Ghost Wolf Lodge.
>
>Seminar Title: The Quickening and include an introduction into the life
>teachings of the Indigenous Masters.
>
>Workshop Title: Mystical Pathways: An insightful experience on the basics of
>The
>Pathway Teachings. Ghost Wolf will deliver information designed to help
>understand the nature of the changes we will experience during our passage
>through the Quickening.
>Laura Lee and Ghost Wolf will then delve into the alchemical world of
>Kryahgenetics - The Alchemy of Self Transformation, and how to prepare for
>upcoming events seen through prophecy.
>
>Highlight: Ghost Wolf will discuss the five recently reported landings in
>the White Mountains in Arizona.
>
>Date: Saturday, April 12th. Time: 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
>
>Location: Best Western Ghost Ranch Lodge, 801 W. Miracle Mile, Tucson, AZ
>
>Cost: $30.00 per person
>
>For Information and Registration Contact:
> Website: http://www.wolflodge.org/schedule/seminar.htm
> E-mail: magicwolfATnospamwolflodge.org
> Phone: (509)623-2496 or (509)465-1606
> Snail-Mail: Wolf Lodge Cultural Foundation
> P. O. Box 10196
> Spokane, WA 99209
>************
>********
>ANNOUNCEMENT: The Original Last Cry Manuscripts by Robert Ghost Wolf are
>being prepared to ship! If you are among those who have ordered copies, they
>should be in your possession shortly! Each copy of the original manuscript
>bears the authorís signature, as does the Certificate of Authenticity that
>comes with the manuscript. There are very few of the beautifully written
>copies unspoken for. This may be your last opportunity to reserve your copy
>if you have not done so. To order, go to
>http://www.wolflodge.org/mistychouse/hot.htm
>************
>********
>Wilderness Gatherings: Robert Ghost Wolf and Laura Lee Mistycah invite you
>on the excursion of a lifetime! The Gatherings are an opportunity for you to
>open the doorways to your inner essence. We are all initiates who have
>entered the final arena of the Game of Light. Let your spirit awaken to the
>inner freedom which is your heritage. To find out more go to
>http://www.wolflodge.org/excursion/index.htm or write to Wolf Lodge, P. O.
>Box 10196, Spokane, WA 99209
>************
>********
>New Schedule: We have some exciting events coming up and some great new ways
>for you to receive the information and insight that will help you during this
>time of the shift. As posted at the beginning of this news letter, Ghost
>Wolf and Laura Lee will be holding a one day seminar/workshop in Tucson on
>April 12th. Pre-registration form located at
>http://www.wolflodge.org/shedule/tucson.htm
>
>PRIVATE SEMINAR: The first private seminar will be held in Spokane, WA at
>the Travel Lodge on April 26th from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM. These seminars will
>be held to 20 or 25 participants only! Reservations must be made in advance
>and will include some incredible one on one question and answer sessions.
> They are designed to give personal attention to the education, growth and
>enlightenment of the individual. For more information e-mail
>magicwolfATnospamwolflodge.org or write to Wolf Lodge, P. O. Box 10196, Spokane, WA
> 99209 or call (509)465-1606. Space is limited for this first seminar - only
>a few spots left!
>
>UPCOMING EVENTS:
>
>Whole Life Expo in Pasadena, CA on May 16th.
>
>Whole Life Expo in San Diego, CA on Friday, May 30th only! Ghost Wolf and
>Laura Lee will give a seminar at 6:00 PM and a workshop at 8:00 PM.
>
>Body, Mind and Spirit Expo at the Convention Center in Spokane, WA May 31st
>and June 1st. Ghost Wolf will perform the opening ceremony that Saturday.
> His lecture followed by his workshop will be offered on Sunday.
>
>PRIVATE SESSIONS: I have been asked by many if Ghost Wolf and Laura Lee do
>private sessions. Yes, they are now accepting appointments. Contact
>(509)465-1606 for info.
>************
>********
>Contributions: Your purchases and contributions are desperately needed by
>Wolf Lodge. The work that Wolf Lodge does with the Native American people is
>a noble and worthy cause. Wolf Lodge is a 501C.3 organization and any
>donation you make is tax deductible. Just recently, Wolf Lodge had to ìdig
>down deepî to rescue a Native American Grandmother who was being persecuted
>in a neighboring country for wanting to preserve the traditional ways when
>she buried her child. The situation escalated to ìlife threateningî and Wolf
>Lodge Cultural Foundation came to her aid and rescue. She and her family
>were forced to evacuate and leave behind all but a few pieces of clothing.
> This was no less disastrous than a house fire - actually more so because it
>was the results of ignorant prejudice and the family even had to leave behind
>their car. They now are safe as Wolf Lodge relocated them in the United
>States in a more ìfriendlyî environment. This effort took a large amount to
>fund and had to be done on the moments notice. We are proud to have rescued
>such an honorable woman and her family. We know in our hearts we have just
>made a great stride in protecting the traditional ways of her tribe as she
>avidly practices and teaches them.
>
>To help with the honorable endeavors of Wolf Lodge, go to
>http://www.wolflodge.org/bulletinboard/contrib.htm or write to Wolf Lodge, P.
>O. Box 10196, Spokane, WA 99209. Thank you!
>
>ìWolf Lodge Cultural Foundation is dedicated to the aid and betterment of
>traditional Native American Elders, Native Americans who have been
>disadvantaged and persecuted for up-holding Native American ways, as well as
>the preservation of the Native American culture, arts, education and
>ecological traditions.î
>************
>*******
>Strange Universe: Ghost Wolf and Laura Lee were recently featured on Strange
>Universe! Our special thanks to them for helping get important information
>out to the public! The segment will be shown again, so keep watching!
>************
>*******
>UFOAZ: Ghost Wolf will appear on UFOAZ live! on April 11th at 9:00 PM MT!
> For a copy of the show, mail a donation of $12.95 US funds plus $3.95 for
>shipping to Wolf Lodge, P. O. Box 10196, Spokane, WA 99209 Remember, Wolf
>Lodge is a 501C.3 non-profit organization and all donations are tax
>deductible!
>************
>*******
>Art Bell: We have received inquiry after inquiry regarding ìWhen will Ghost
>Wolf be on the Art Bell show again?î To ask this question, please send an
>e-mail to: ArtBellATnospamaol.com
>************
>*******
>Contact Information: Web Site: http://www.wolflodge.org/
> E-mail: ghostwolfATnospamwolflodge.org
> Post: Wolf Lodge Cultural Foundation
> P. O. Box 10196
> Spokane, WA 99209
> Phone: (509) 623-2396 or (509)465-1606
> Fax: (509) 466-8072
>************
>*******
>With Love and Light,
>
>Robert Ghost Wolf, Laura Lee Mistycah, Wolf Lodge Cultural Foundation and
>Staff
>
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 11:07:41 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Welcome lurker Diva Leigh
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Hi Joe, et al
Thanks for the warm welcome, and your very meaty questions
> You seem well
> grounded and have the ring of authority....
I have nothing but my own experience
Before we go on, please read the text "Just to the Purpose" (JTP) at our
home page. It's about 7 pages long printed out, and the site loads
quickly - no pix ( ...if you want a pic, e-mail me... )
http://plainfield.bypass.com/~lphurley/
Now, please don't skip over this as it's a very basic bit of tantric
philosophy, and to be reasonably brief here, I need to use terms that
are defined in that text. I'd also love to hear your response to the
text...
> 1. Is there any part of pure sex which leads away from the divine.
Where is the divine located that anything can lead away from it?
We do not know the purpose,
But we do know the purpose is in process as manifestation,
Thus all manifestation is just to the purpose.
> Please consider the 'sexual addicts' or others whose entire persona is
> attached to sex (Mae West).
I admire Mae West as an icon of female sexuality, and if I get to the
point where I desire and need to hire Shivas, and I have the money, I'd
probably do it, too. Our historical perceptions of Mae are more than a
little tinged with sexism - the same behavior in men of that era would
have been considered perhaps naughty but not aberrent. (I have no doubt
there were male equivalents hiring female prostitutes.)
> What role do many of the sex fantasies
> (some violent) play?
> 2. If so, is it morally valid for the other party to participate in
> that union? (In other words, please list some examples of sex you would consider immoral--if any.)
"moral" ? This is a christian concept. From my perspective there is
only
vidya (wisdom) and avidya (ignorance). Morality is a Secondary Theology
thang, not an absolute (see JTP). I have my own personal preferences,
you have yours, as long as you don't impose yours on me, and vice versa,
there's no problem - we're all in the process of gaining vidya in
whatever ways we need to any how.
We do not know the purpose.... (etc.) JTP
> 3. Pure Sex doesn't really exist, as you have noted, because we are
> human. Even complete mute strangers bring issues not related to the
> moment which can break in at any time. Where do you draw the line
> between the positive and negative possibilities and say no?
I'm usually more concerned with where do I draw the line and say yes!
"Pure" should be recognized as the four-letter word it is - it's purely
(acchh - and it's soo hard not to use it!, and yes I know I used it
before... ) a relative term with a different meaning for every person
and their unique perceptual constructs...
And lest I gave the wrong impression with the "sex with strangers" thing
when I was making that point, I'm not a just-shut-up-fuck-me type
(usually...) I love the sound of men's voices, I love developing
relationships with men, Shiva, Shiva, Shiva.... yes I know I'm not
answering your question, but the answer applies to the next question as
well...
> 4. We are physical creatures, prone to disease and death. The
> precautions I see advertised don't look very appealing (or very
> effective) ways of preventing some pretty nasty stuff from spreading.
> They would also put a big damper on the 'madness' of sex. I would never
> expect the cosmos to protect me from taking chances (although it has
> done a magnificent job without me asking). What is your method?
>
Safe sex practices (I'm trying to develop a latex fetish) good hygiene
and common sense. Yes, it's a pain, but it's really not that bad and
need not hamper the vibe if one is a good girl scout/boy scout and
prepared (carry condoms...)
But most of all, devotion to that primal principle is a powerful and
reliable protection. When you can tune into that primal energy by
totally dedicating yourself to it, your aura vibrates at that frequency,
and you will attract phenomenon/people that are also motivated by this
energy. The degrees to which people can move with it determine how you
can relate to them. I don't worry about the "yes/no" line much - people
take care of that themselves - the first smile may be coming from Shiva
energy, and I bow to that, but if the next motivation is a
predator/victim thing or other goofy karmic drama, there's nothing in my
aura that hums with that (I've done my homework....) and the person will
just go away of their own accord. And so on down the line. Actually
there aren't all that many people that can run the gauntlet of their
emotions and their enculturated boogie men, and get to the point where
one has to be concerned about safe sex, though from my end, that's
always open.
> > You have really never done tantra until you can watch
> > your lover making love to someone else, allow them to "fall in love
> > with someone else" and through it all keep your consciousness in a state
> > of worshipful bliss as you observe this aspect of the Shiva/Shakti
> > play.
>
> I find this very powerful--thank you.
>
> > For in tantra, the only act that approaches anything like our
> > western concept of "sin" (avidya-ignorance) is to act with jealousy as a
> > motivation.
>
> Help us flesh this out a bit. How about selfishness (You are sleeping
> with him and you could be sleeping with me) without the jealousy angle?
The natural solution - we all sleep together, of course
> How about destruction. (I want to sleep with you because I believe it
> will debase you, and that is what I really want.)
As mentioned above, at whatever point people give themselves over to
anything other than that primal energy as their motivation, they go
away. It's a cosmic law - and really quite fascinating to observe in
operation. Motivation/attitude is everything. Shiva takes care of his
own/Shakti takes care of her own.
Make Love! Leigh
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:31:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Ballad of the Greys.
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Dear Friends, the human knack for turning any situation into one of humor
is never ending. For a humorous and enjoyable song called, "Ballad of the
Greys," go to the Art Bell web site at http://www.artbell.com and click on
the song on the first page.
They also ahve a Chupachabra Song played to the tune of "La Cocharacha."
What'll they think of next?
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: That Man/Woman thing-thang
Message-ID: <970406115605_1950882553ATnospamemout09.mail.aol.com>
Something I didn't think about when posting earlier, when I had my big K
experience (I get smaller one's occasionally), I felt a snapping as the
energy moved into my heart chakra which I later learned was the breaking of a
"karmic" knot.
I was suddenly filled with infinite love. It felt like I was completely in
love with a lover, but that lover was myself, and I felt like I was
simultaneously inside and outside my body, both parts of myself completely in
love with the other. The effect was like that of a mirror, as one side felt
overflowing love toward the other, the other fed off the love and returned it
two fold, over and over again, amplyfying the sensation of being in love
infinatly.
Perhaps this non sexual state of being completely in love, which is often
felt towards a lover, is also a big part of the equation which were
forgetting. The God/Goddess refering to how we feel with a lover, during or
right after sex, but instead towards ourselves and everything in our reality.
Infinite Love till your dizzy and giggling
:)
Aaron
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:14:25 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: sex and Tantra - a few technical points]
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 11:45:20 -0700
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To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: sex and Tantra - a few technical points
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Dear Gentle Brahmacharya
All is tantra. I didn't know there was a yogi pope ;)
As to the sexual aspects you must not have had a good teacher, obviously
you have chosen to master the discipline of celibacy rather than the
discipline of sexual expression and sexual relationships. You might want
to refrain from passing judgments on the paths of others, simply because
you do not understand those other paths. Please read the text at
http://plainfield.bypass.com/~lphurley/
Make Love! Leigh
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:16:37 -0700
From: Phillip & Leigh Hurley <lphurleyATnospamplainfield.bypass.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Man/woman, Sex and dirt, etc]
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Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 11:17:07 -0700
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To: terryeoATnospamhumboldt1.com
Subject: Re: Man/woman, Sex and dirt, etc
References: <1.5.4.32.19970405070910.00670d8cATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu> <3346CEF6.7420ATnospamplainfield.bypass.com> <33704911.6751ATnospamhumboldt1.com>
Terry wrote:
>
> I saw your post in the Kulidinid list and wanted to respond to it.
>
> Particuarly the element of Shiva and Yoni.
>
> Seems like, there ought to be more than an esoteric religion of these
> elements,
> I mean it is potentially everything and it doesn't make sense that
> instead
> everyone is Christian.
>
> What kind of sense does it make? Why aren't we all worshipping the yoni
> as the
> manifestation of the good Lord and the Phalus as the manifestation of
> God?
>
> Well anyway have a nice day and I enjoyed reading your post
>
> Terry Olsen :)
Hi Terri
Thanks for your response.
It's the age of Kali-yuga, the dark times, and it seems that most
folks on the planet have a need to be working stuff out at other levels,
with stuff like Christianity or whatever. I have noticed that
popularity has nothing to do with truth value, from my perspective.
You might find our web-pages of interest in regard to this subject
http://plainfield.bypass.com/~lphurley/ The text at the site addresses
such issues...
Make Love! Leigh
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:33:23 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: That Man/Woman thing-thang
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In message <970406115605_1950882553ATnospamemout09.mail.aol.com>,
CGIAJWATnospamaol.com writes
>Something I didn't think about when posting earlier, when I had my big K
>experience (I get smaller one's occasionally), I felt a snapping as the
>energy moved into my heart chakra which I later learned was the breaking of a
>"karmic" knot.
>
>I was suddenly filled with infinite love. It felt like I was completely in
>love with a lover, but that lover was myself, and I felt like I was
>simultaneously inside and outside my body, both parts of myself completely in
>love with the other. The effect was like that of a mirror, as one side felt
>overflowing love toward the other, the other fed off the love and returned it
>two fold, over and over again, amplyfying the sensation of being in love
>infinatly.
>
>Perhaps this non sexual state of being completely in love, which is often
>felt towards a lover, is also a big part of the equation which were
>forgetting. The God/Goddess refering to how we feel with a lover, during or
>right after sex, but instead towards ourselves and everything in our reality.
>
>Infinite Love till your dizzy and giggling
>:)
>Aaron
>
Good stuff. when i had a longlasting experience of this nature permeate
my being and coincide with opening of anahata and sahasrara i really
thought that the journey of "seeking" was over and all one had to do was
live in love and compassion and in harmony with this experience...well,
that's what i wanted to believe as i was hoping for a quiet life....but
shakti had other ideas...in many ways this was just the beginning and
something altogether much more extraordinary which carries on
indefinitely, just going deeper and deeper, defying all forms and logic
and understanding. regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 10:30:44
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Repost: Making love with god
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Hello all,
This is excerpts (with a few additions) from something I posted to
the list last year which seems to fit in with the current discussion.
This process of awakening energies is, in part, about turning away from
externalizing the energy flow and seeking completion through another,
and instead looking within and working with kundalini and tantra in the
weaving of our opposites, *as well as* the weaving of the inner and the
outer.
In traditional, patriarchal western culture there is little in the
way of a model for knowing how to do this within oneself. Most pictures
of [western] reality show that to be "whole" you must be in relationship.
Instead of projecting half of your energy outward, part of the awakening
process is about becoming a whole person within oneself.
At times during this awakening process I have experienced what I can
only describe as making love with god... or spirit... or all that is.
Call it what you will. I felt it to be the deepest, most intimate
intertwinings of my being, complete with orgasm (which I must say
totally amazed me), sometimes on the physical level and sometimes
on an energetic level. A heart orgasm is most phenomenal.
What I have also found is that orgasm in and of itself, while very
pleasurable, on an energetic level it is secondary to the process.
Union-- with the self, with the other, with the planet. The process
of Making love to god is about Entering into Union with all that is.
There is time for exploring the union which brings one into a union
or a wholeness with Self. And there is a time for exploring the
union with another... and with the planet... and the cycle continues.
The interweaving of all-that-is through the interpenetration of
all the spheres.
Words just can't do justice to the experience of making love with god.
In light,
ori^
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 13:32:08 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.u
Subject: Re: sex and Tantra - a few technical points
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Tom,
Just wanted to say the post is a very good summation of the traditional
(Vedantic) view of the subject. I may be a bit conservative but any religious
path that hasn't survived for at least 1000 years, without significant change,
is just too new for me to risk this life on. If any on the list missed it, here
it is again.
Namaste,
Joe
Tom Aston wrote:
Here's a few things i learnt about sex and tantra, the hard way, and i
would hate anyone to indulge in conventional sex thinking it was an
advanced spiritual practice when in reality something a lot less
wonderful was going on - both for oneself and one's partner.
1. in the yogic tradition loss of sexual fluids unnecessarily is
regarded as a great waste of spiritual fuel
2. in Oriental medicine, loss of sexual fluids can undermine one's
health at every level in the long run.
3. sexual pleasure and experience is usually concentrated in the lower
two chakras so it inevitably reinforces the lower nature and
identification with the physical and sensual self unless one is
exceptionally skillful at various esoteric techniques whereby this
process can be paradoxically transformed. i have yet to meet someone or
read anything that has convinced me that someone had actually mastered
these techniques in practice. spiritual sex is possible, but tends to be
the exception rather than the rule.
4. the sexual act tends to encourge sexual longing which can tie up a
lot of energy in the lower centres that could otherwise be channelled
into higher things. this longing could be seen as the misplaced desire
for divine union.
5. sex can, for men especially, become a means of reinforcing their
false sense of power and ego however civilised things may be on the
surface
6. sex disconnected from a spiritual and higher emotional connection
between partners, unless expertly done by an advanced yogi, can rapidly
degenerate into lust and animal consciousness - i know this because i've
been there and at the time i really believed this had something to do
with Tantra.
7. if kundalini is involved in this process then the karmic impact can
be enormous in a way that our secular outlook can find hard to
comprehend. Recovering from this kind of karma can be a long and painful
process.
8. multiple sexual partners may appeal, spectating may appeal, (i know
it once did for me) but just think of what you're working with here -
this is the power to reincarnate other beings, not just a means of
pleasure and indulgence.....everything has its price, and in Tantra what
may seem like an obvious shortcut to undermine the ego may simply take
one from the frying pan into the fire.
9. given the lack of value attached to control of the senses and the
desires in modern society, encouraging free rein of the lower nature in
the name of spiritual development strikes me as a path that , even at
best, is safe and suitable for only a few exceptional people, and even
then probably unnecessary when there are so may alternative methods of
spiritual development available
10. if done right, Tantra feeds off the sublimated sexual energy and
fluids to purify and refine the nervous system, the subtle body and the
brain and nourish the spiritual understanding. this makes the pleasure
and union of even the most sensual conventional sex pale into
insignificance.
11. sorry if this is not welcome news, but it's the way things are i'm
afraid and i wasted a lot of time and energy, much of it sacred, trying
to convince myself otherwise. i'd hate to see others get drawn into the
same downward spiral since it took everything at my disposal to get out
of this hole of samsara that i thought was Tantric sex. left hand tantra
(ie tantra that breaks all the rules) is probably redundant now if one
is really serious about developing spiritually since many purer and more
powerful and safer forms of practice are available to us easily and
cheaply
12. while i recovered from misusing my sexual energy, it took a lot
longer for one of my sexual partners who did not have the benefit of
full-time meditation and yoga to help her...and even now i wonder just
how deep the damage went in karmic terms.....
13. perhaps i'm wrong here ? but why take the risk when it simply isn't
necessary to try these things, especially if one is already experiencing
shakti......what one could gain from these sexual practices could be
gained anyway, perhaps a little slower, through safer means of
conventional meditation and yoga and devotion. It might need more work
and discipline to start with, but once this has passed things can become
effortless.
14. never underestiamte the capacity for the conditioned mind to fool
itself that working from a false sense of sensual and sexual self can be
justified, even in the most sublime and convincing forms of logic and
language sometimes...
15. sexual longing can rapidly silence the more subtle intuitions of the
higher nature. when one acts on that longing in mundane forms of
indulgence, the higher nature may well run and hide and be lost for a
long while. this may well turn out to be a profound cause for regret
later on when/if the mists of samsara clear.
in sincere concern for wouldbe lefthand Tantric yogis and anyone
considering so called "tantric" sexual relationships - Yogi Tom
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Tom Aston
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