1997/04/04 10:14
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #144
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 144
Today's Topics: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Energies out of balance in relationship... Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift.
Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. Pole Shifts
Re: Big Trees and silly stories FW: Energies out of balance in relationship...
Re: That Man/Woman Thing-thang It's the end of the world as we know it
Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. Re: Energies out of balance in relationship...
Fwd: My kundalini & my mate's heart Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center POONJA
Re: That Man/Woman Thing-thang Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:08:30 -1000 (HST)
From: DarkWay To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I amPushing energy Down The Spine from my head.I am not sure if this is safe I heard that bad things might happen
Anyone Know if I should push energy down my Spine from my head? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:34:20 -0500 (EST)
From: ETurman384ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift. Message-ID:
I started to get tired of reading, but, I did recognize the Nefiflim. This is weird because I have not ran into many people who know about the 12th planet
, the Summarians, and the Nefilim. Zicharia Shitchen wrote a series of books on this idea. The best one is called "The 12th planet". A lot of my friends
know about the Pleiadians and what they have told me sounded identical to the Nefilim story, with the exection of the 12th planets name-Marduk or Marluk.
With the pole shift, is this suppose to be the reversal of the magnetic
poles?If so, they take a period of 20,000 years to shift-10,000 to shift and 10,000 to shift back.
All i know on the shifting of the poles is scientific, not spiritual. Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:19:50 +0100
From: Tom Aston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DarkWayATnospamhotmail.com
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In message , DarkWay writes
>Pains in THe Spine come sometimes when I am meditating and moving energy >It get so intense that Your spie is vibrating all other limbs and stuff
>anyone who knows what I mean respond with what you have found. >
yep, can be agony...find yourself a good Oriental bodyworker to align vertebrae and free up and balance energy channels if you cannot do it
yourself. go swimming. do all the holistic forms of practice you know whether yogic or martial arts. i did all these but still get little
twinges even now a decade later when fail to pay attention to inner energy's needs. tom x.
-- Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:42:03 -0800 From: Ken McFarland
To: Cameron Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 12:58 PM 4/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>She has been rather irrational
>and excessively emotional, prone to being set off by *very* >little things
>I have her do balancing meditations with me,
Dear Camron,
Ask her what it is that is upsetting her, listen to her answer without
saying a single word, and believe what she says is absolutely true, especially when she says you are being controlling. Don't agrue with her -
just listen!
Ken Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 00:26:13 -0300
From: Francis Araujo To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 14:14 03/04/97 -0800, you wrote:
>At 03:10 PM 4/3/97 -0500, HawwunATnospamaol.com wrote: >>
>>just some more Millenia Apocolytpic HOGWASH. >
> >It helped me to keep things in perspective when noting that only 1/3 of the
>earth's population will be using the number 2000. Another 1/3 use different >numbering systems based on a different starting years - Chinese, Moslem,
>Jewish, etc. Then there is yet another 1/3, called primitive 3rd world >types, who don't even number the years!
> >So, what's a planet to do? ;-}
> >M
>
Hi M,
Me here from thurd world. Me dunno, and me has never heard of any kinda civilization/countries that does not use some form of 'counting' the number
of years. We here in the underworld(i.e third world:), we have many many many numbers.
We even counta da months!:P
So, where is this numberless third world, with its nuberless citizens?
Jussa Wondering, Duv
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: M
To: Francis Araujo , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift.
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At 12:26 AM 4/4/97 -0300, Francis Araujo wrote: >At 14:14 03/04/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 03:10 PM 4/3/97 -0500, HawwunATnospamaol.com wrote: >>>
>>>just some more Millenia Apocolytpic HOGWASH. >>
>> >>It helped me to keep things in perspective when noting that only 1/3 of the
>>earth's population will be using the number 2000. Another 1/3 use different >>numbering systems based on a different starting years - Chinese, Moslem,
>>Jewish, etc. Then there is yet another 1/3, called primitive 3rd world >>types, who don't even number the years!
>> >>So, what's a planet to do? ;-}
>> >>M
>> >
>Hi M, >
>Me here from thurd world. Me dunno, and me has never heard of any kinda >civilization/countries that does not use some form of 'counting' the number
>of years. >We here in the underworld(i.e third world:), we have many many many numbers.
>We even >counta da months!:P
>So, where is this numberless third world, with its nuberless citizens? >
>Jussa Wondering, >Duv
Apparently in the Australian Outback,
some islands of the Phillipines, mountains and jungles of South America,
tundras (?) of China, the most remote parts of Africa,
etc.
I hope there are lots of peoples who don't care about numbering cycles of the planet. I am always reading about new tribes being discovered and other
ones rejecting the ways of the more dominant culture, you know what I mean? Maybe it's less than 1/3, but I hope it's not too miniscule a number.
I probably should not have used the term '3rd world'. Sorry if it offended.
"Pockets in underdeveloped countries" might be more accurate.
M
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:45:43 -0800 From: Morgana Wyze
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Pole Shifts
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Re: John Locke
What fun. Coming Earth Changes and Conspiracy theories. Sanctioned by a
disincarnate entity,...I'll sleep on this. if I can. ;) Morgana
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:18:34 -0800 From: Morgana Wyze
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Big Trees and silly stories
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> Hi Morgana, this is a very funny story, eloquently told....i was really
> very deeply amused by it and it put some of my experiences in the shade > when i had thought they were quite powerful. more please. regards yogi
> Tom xxxx but try not to blow up my PC. i've just bought it >
> -- > Tom Aston
Thanks for the compliment. Okay, twist my arm, one more AMAZING TRUE
STORY. The electronic interferance caused by my uncontrolled psychokenesis was
making my job in the electronics field (Silicon Vally) difficult. One of my clients was Tandem Computers. The entire top story of their building
in those days was full of computing power, powerful servers for financial institutions (like the ATM). Those computers were so important
that they were triple redundant, the electronic flow of half the US banking was said (by Tandem, so take it with a grain of salt) to flow
through these servers. Security in this buiding was intense. I'm standing in the lobby waiting for one of their engineering V.P.'s
to come make a meeting. I've been checked out by security, they have banks of cameras watching in case one of the lobby visitors is an
international terrorist (or worse, an industrial spy). I was having a bad day. The electronic ignition of my car was giving
me problems that morning and I'd disabled my company's copy machine. Luckily I didn't affect the coffee machine or they'd have lynched me.
So, I'm standing in the lobby and I get a wave of dizziness as a huge flow of energy goes through me.
I'm going to deny this next part if anyone out there wishes to sue ;
Next thing I know alarms are going off and people are pouring out doors
and up the stairs and elevators. When the confusion and panic settle down a little, the white-faced security guard tells us that our meetings
are canceled, because the entire server array is down. The guy next to me is saying that this is impossible, and I feel another wave of energy
go through me- and all the security cameras and monitors in the lobby go dark.
I slunk out of there, and found a manual typewriter at the library to
type out my resume, for any sales field that didn't involve computers.
If you like that, Tom, I might tell you about "Moana" of the 900 numbers.
Morgana
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:39:01 +0200 From: Jason
To: "'K'" Subject: FW: Energies out of balance in relationship...
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Appears that this message got cut off in the middle.......
Cameron,
I lived with a woman who was quite depressed and emotionally irresponsible. I used to just accept her behavior and try live with it just as you say you do. I was not successful in keeping it together with her. I learned a lot about myself, my path and who I was in relationships with women. I don't know how you can be successful, but I can offer some words to avoid pitfalls.
I have her do balancing meditations with me,
but she doesn't take the initiative to do these things without my urging and it really has to be a daily thing to be fully effective. When she gets
down, she *really* gets down.
Pitfall: If she does not take initiative in something there is no point in forcing it. Perhaps she does not want to do balancing meditations. She may be perfectly "happy" throwing tantrums. If she is down, she has every right to be down. Just as you have every right to live UP. BUT, if she has unconsious expectations of some reaction or response from you to her tantrums and depression and you don't provide the right responses, a very explosive tension will build. This tension will eventually have to be released. In my situation, the tension release was not pleasant and ultimately led to the demise of the relationship. I did not see it coming because I was just accepting everything and living with it. But it was there and it exploded. For tension release I recommend laughter. Try tickling. Try being absurd and goofy. Try comedy. Try anything that comes to mind. But laugh at life. Then deal with the intense emotional issues in the calm that follows the laughter. Then repeat.
I don't want to do this to her!! I have seen this happen in other relationships of mine and don't want
history to repeat itself.
Pitfall: don't take responsibility for her emotional states. Those are hers. You are not doing it to her. The repeating is a clear message that you have something to learn in these types of relationships. History will repeat itself until you learn the lesson. Therefore, take this oppurtunity to learn the lesson.
At least I have figured out the cause of these episodes, now I need a cure. Could it be that I am a Karmic
catalyst and she is just working out old emotional issues? Is there a way that I can help to balance her without making it seem like she has a
problem? (and I don't mean just being understanding, I do that already) Can I help to balance her without her knowing that I am doing it?
Pitfall: you are approaching the relationship as though there is something "wrong," as though she MUST change. We are all working out emotional issues. This in not wrong. It is insensitive to not love her here and now for who she is. It is insensitive to want a quick fix. You must give her the space to find her own path. This was one of my major pitfalls. I thought I could cure her because I cured myself of horrid emotions and depression. But we are all on different paths and my method of curing myself was irrelevant to her path, just as your balancing meditations seem to be irrelevant to her.
There is no rushing it. Give her a huge amount of space to be anything she wants to be. Watch her. Love her. Imbue her with power. But do it all as a separate individual on a separate path. The more love and power you have as individuals, the more power you can love each other with.
Love. Zympht.
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 23:01:04 -0800 From: Morgana Wyze
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: That Man/Woman Thing-thang
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> M wrote:
> > > ????
> > > > So many theories about woman's role in enlightenment and man's role in
> > agression and competition add to my thoughts about "a beneficial side > > effect" of condom use to our species...aiding the evolution of the general
> > population as women are less impacted with the physical essence of male > > aggressive energy and "emotional dirt" etc. and therefore . . .
> > > > Does this make sense (albeit weird sense) to anyone else?
> > > > M
> Could be, as a woman I think it's the stuff in men's heads and energy
that do the dirt deed. "Nail" her, "Do" her, "Fuck" her, "have" her.
I've never heard of a man saying to his friends, "Man, I really nurtured that hot blonde last night". I believe that language contains
truth. "Can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King
Morgana Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 23:04:41 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> HawwunATnospamaol.com wrote: > >
> > In a message dated 97-04-03 14:46:42 EST, you write: > >
> > < want to know what the rest of the people in this group think about > > this...as some of this seems to get a bit deep in parts.
> > > > the final peace completes the whole
> > -doug >> > >
> > personally? does anybody really want my opinion? here it is anyway...this is > > just some more Millenia Apocolytpic HOGWASH. most things of this ilk have
> > some convincing bases in fact then become scary so most individuals willl > > want to run to the safety of the brethren & sistren under the guru who has a
> > connection with the BIG GUYS that say they can stop the impending disasters > > or otherwise insure their survival...
> >
Let's get big guns and big dogs and a years supply of peanut butter and stale crackers. Let's wear ugly clothes and find a big, damp, cold cave
and just sit there until after the millenium. We can meditate to enlightenment when we're not standing in line to use the shit pit.
We're the chosen few, hey...we will survive...we'll kill for chocolate and a warm blanket, but we MUST survive. (Just tell me again why we're
doing this.) MoRambo
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: HawwunATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Drunvalo on the Pole Shift.
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In a message dated 97-04-04 03:03:37 EST, you write:
< With the pole shift, is this suppose to be the reversal of the magnetic
poles?If so, they take a period of 20,000 years to shift-10,000 to shift and 10,000 to shift back.
All i know on the shifting of the poles is scientific, not spiritual. >>
THANKS. I was worried that someone might have believed it could happen
overnight or in the period of a few years...
nan-bo Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:08:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amber SilverWolf To: K list
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On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Cameron wrote:
> Everybody,
Heyla, Cameron. :)
> I'm having an energy problem that I'm hoping somebody can help me with. > It's like this: I am a major circuit of energy and it has an effect on
> everybody that comes into contact with me. I have done a good job of > keeping my energy balanced and contained within 3-4 feet around my body so
> as to benefit myself and others I know. Being around me for limited > amounts of time tends to be uplifting for people and in the process of
> giving them energy, I also gain energy. The problem that I am having is > that I am living with my girlfriend and I think the amounts of energy she
> is getting from me are too much for her. She has been rather irrational > and excessively emotional, prone to being set off by *very*
> little things that wouldn't have made her miss a beat a few weeks ago. [...]
Ok, here's the deal:
People have their own source of energy that they can learn how to tap into at any time. It is, by contradiction, a source that is both external and
internal at the same time, and this energy comes from the Source.
Sharing energy is a good thing, like icing on the cake, so to speak. You eat your three meal course to get your basic need to live and then you eat
a Hostess cupcake. Chocolate is not necessary to survive, but "regular" food is. Energy is also like this.
The danger of sharing energy is when people rely solely or almost entirely
upon another's energy. They believe that being around this person makes them feel good because they like their energy. But sometimes people like
it too much, and they become addicted. This winds up bringing down relationships faster than you can name the recipie for chocolate chip
cookies. I myself thought that I had this "SoulBond" to someone when in reality I was connected and grounded to them--not knowing all soul
connections come from the heart chakra, I had rooted and connected my red and purple chakras to someone. Rather stupid of me, don't you think? I
think so too.
In a romantic relationship, it is the easiest to occur. Due to the closeness of the relationship itself, it's all too easy to latch on to
someone. I've done it before, watched it happen before, heard of it happening before...it's way too common, and in my opinion, probably the
reason for about 30-65% of all failed relationships.
Get her connected to her own energy source. However you do it, do it. If you need to know of a technique, let me know. If you already know how, by
all means use it.
* Amber *
* "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." * * *
* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q * * *
* "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have * * no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
* ) o ( * * Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar * *
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: SKidder333ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Fwd: My kundalini & my mate's heart
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Date: 97-04-03 19:58:26 EST From: SKidder333
To: kundalini-lATnospamexec.com
Three years ago, following a much needed personal and spiritual search and years of totally naive vipasanna-like meditative practice (I was combining
natural child birth breathing exercises and trying to empty my mind of all thoughts in order to relieve my arthritic pain) and lastly a holotropic
breath session.....WHAM ...one night I had sparks flying from my elbow and it was the beginning of something I had never even heard about. Fortunately
the right people were readily available and the intervening years have been filled with education along with my experiences.
Two years ago I attended the KRN conference in Philadelphia, but due to the
pace of the conference and my insatiable need to attend EVERYTHING I could, there was not time to develop personal relationaships. So I'm throwing this
out there with the hope that some of you might share your opinions/knowledge/experience...whatever with me.
Five weeks ago today my husband had quadruple bypass surgery. His recovery
is unremarkable except he cannot achieve a normal heart rhythm. Before being released from the hospital they had to cardio convert him (electric shock),
but he continues to slip into arythmia and now is on coumadin (blood thinner) as there is concern over clotting and strokes.
Here's my question.....Is it possible that my energies could be affecting
him? For quite a long time I've felt very centered and walked through the before/during/after surgery days with no fear or concern. BUT, might I,
could I be harming him? And if I am, what might proper precautions be? I'm thanking anyone in
advance for your effort and response. Love in the Spirit. Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:34:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amber SilverWolf To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Gloria Greco wrote:
> HI, Not to differ from this but I wouldn't manipulate the flow at all, > instead I would work at becoming grounded in the heart center and
> filling the soul/spirit with transformational love. When you do this the > other things naturally fall into place as the frequency of the body
> raises through love. Those who make it a practice of trying to do > anything miss the purpose of the meditation experience which is to
> connect up to the divine stream and move spontaneously without thought ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> or focus on any self-involved thought. God first, then simply purify > your self, reflect, let go and connect up into love. It can be simple if
> you allow it to be. Gloria
This is what I am referring to when I speak of connecting. Then
there's grounding and centering. It's so cool to meet people who have the same ideas I do, but never went to the same school of thought as I did.
Who says there is no order in this universe?
* Amber *
* "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." * * *
* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q * * *
* "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have * * no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
* ) o ( * * Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar * *
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:38:41 -1000 (HST) From: Lisa Starbard
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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I could really use some support with kundalini experiences that I am currently having. I have recently begun to follow a spiritual/metaphsycial path about 4 months ago and am learning rapidly and growing just as quickly. I work with my chakras quite a bit and have recently experienced all sorts of things that I didn't understand. For example, my eating patterns changed, my thoughts patterns changed, I get intense heat sensations up and down my spine which in the beginning left me feeling very disoriented and spacy, and I am having painful headaches on a fairly regular basis. Having heard of kundalini before, something made me pursue this as a possible cause for what I am feeling. I've asked around in Astronet which is a metaphysical area on America Online and have received so many mixed opinions about kundalini. Some people say it is dangerous to raise it, not that I did this intentionally. Though I would prefer to continue with it, and understand it better. Others have told!
m! !
! e, yes that's kundalini...but they can't tell me what I should be doing with these experiences. I attended only one yoga class about two months back that I absolutely loved, however, my schedule just hasn't allowed me to return. I did however, put a call into the yoga instructor today as I am convinced today that it IS kundalini rising that I am experiencing. Because of all the warnings I have seen about raising it too quickly, I am now somewhat frightened that I will not handle it correctly and could use some guidance. I would like very much to learn how to effectively handle the energy in my body as I am pursuing the learning of Reiki...in fact my first class is this coming Monday, APril 7th. Please advise if I shouldn't do this right now because of this kundalini issue, I wouldn't want to put myself in a dangerous situation. I would also appreciate any suggested reading materials, books whatever as I find great comfort through knowledge and understanding.
The energy surges seem to have calmed down a bit and feel more manageable, but I don't know if that is because I have shut them down, or have gained more comfortable with the energy. By the third one I realized that grounding would help, so I tried to ask that the energy that I needed remain with me, and the excess be sent into the earth to return to the universal source. That helped greatly so that I didn't get that spacy feeling, but since then I haven't had any surges.? As far as what I do with my chakras....At least once a day I visualize my 7 chakras from the root up, rotating (hopefully I got the direction right), with their corresponding colors. I'm assuming that this chakra work, and not the one yoga class is what opened me up to kundalini raising.
The few surges I did experience came at varying parts of the day at unrelated times. One happened when I was driving, another while I was resting after a chakra meditation. If I put my thought to the energy surges I can feel the increase of heat in my spine, even right now.
I would appreciate any help and guidance that could be offered. Love & Light to You
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:59:59 -0600 From: "Marco Antonio Galvàn Ph.D:"
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Is there anybody familiar with POONJA ?
Love
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From: Doug Houston To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Morgana Wyze wrote: >
> > M wrote: > >
> > > ???? > > >
> > > So many theories about woman's role in enlightenment and man's role in > > > agression and competition add to my thoughts about "a beneficial side
> > > effect" of condom use to our species...aiding the evolution of the general > > > population as women are less impacted with the physical essence of male
> > > aggressive energy and "emotional dirt" etc. and therefore . . . > > >
> > > Does this make sense (albeit weird sense) to anyone else? > > >
> > > M > >
> Could be, as a woman I think it's the stuff in men's heads and energy > that do the dirt deed.
> "Nail" her, "Do" her, "Fuck" her, "have" her.
> > Morgana
Let me preface this with the statement that this is a heart pounding
knee jerk response, not flames.
Semen is not hazardous waste! The times require that we not exchange bodily fluids in a casual way. It has always been powerful, dangerous
stuff, but not in a bad way. What a terrible thought that, children are 1/2 concieved from "agreessive energy" and "emotional dirt". Maybe women
who are getting "nailed" should reconsider who they allowing to merge with them in that way. We are two halves of a whole not good and evil(we
all own a little of those). If it was such nasty stuff why would we be trying to conserve it, recycle it?
> I've never heard of a man saying to his friends, "Man, I really
> nurtured that hot blonde last night". I believe that language contains truth. I have never heard of a woman saying "I really nurtured that stud last
night". It only suggests that we need more love and more communication in the world.
Sticks and stones will not bringing us together.
>"Can't we all just get along?" -Rodney King
Namaste (from and with all of my still wildly beating aggressive, loving, male heart)
Doug
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