1997/04/02  16:13  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #140 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 140
 
Today's Topics: 
  GOD,and Kundalini  
  Re: Unidentified subject! 
  RE:Shamanic talkshow 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
  Re: Kundalini and healing 
  Looking for Flanagan 
  Big Trees 
  Grounding repost and new stuff.. 
  Re: Looking for Flanagan 
  Re: That Electric Shock 
  Re: Big Trees 
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:24:00 +0000 
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: GOD,and Kundalini  
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Hi, 
You asked what is Kundalini,as I have perceived it in my own arena by my 
limited Resources of body, mind, and soul, of the study of this grande 
force of nature that may be, and infinitely,  revolving revealer of  
knowledge,  can last one lifetime or more, perhaps eternally captivating my 
attention of what it is..... 
 It is a creative life-force, which resides everywhere, it is not nowhere, but 
for defining purposes, it is in the spine, and the ground,downtown, in the 
religions, and the pigeons, and the dirt all around, look around, it is 
Knowledge....of Love. 
There are Friends here who may want to tell what it isn't! 
That is Good...and it's Evil ...and its none of their business.... 
This is just a song which can be wrong, 
it seems to me you need to be free, 
to take a look a round and look up and down 
 and check out your own eternity.....
 
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>>Hi all, 
>> 
>>I had  experiences, along with  glass exploding, lightbulbs 
>>blowing and beings beaming long shafts of  colored laser lights at my 
>>different centers, also the dandelion, molecules flying off.  These 
>>things can be explained in a meta-spiritual way, there is so verymuch that 
>>happened. I like to call it the Quickening! of Kundalini! 
>> 
>>I love Angels so much that I have painted them for 17 years! Not  the cute 
>>kind, either.   I did go thru  an intense quickening leading up to this event. 
>> 
>>I was dreaming lucid, at 3am and this happened, 
>> 
>>When this Angel told me to write down his name, I did, It was a long 
>>>name like Pylos-aurean, anyway, I remembered the Name Pylos, and 
>>>(I looked it up in an old book on Grecian history, the name means 
>>>Guardian to the Gates of Heaven, there is a city in Greece, I found out 
>>>last night, where, in ancient Greece, they, the Priest and Priestesses, 
>>practiced the Elesyian Rites of (Can't spell) Mysteries, and  it was 
>>centered in Pylos, Greece, and the Mysteries were kept a secret, so the 
>>place is famous for the practice of the Mysteries and the place's name is 
>>Pylos, which means Guardian to the Gates of Heaven, which is interesting, 
>>because, I 
>>>experienced God a few days after! ) The meditation-lucid-dream I had then, 
>>>was I was looking at this Book of Light (it was big, open, and  
>>>emitted light), and I was reading about many Servants of God, 
>>>and when Pylos touched me repeatedly on my knee (to get me up 
>>>to write his Name down), I was reading Pylos-(aureanarius), Son of 
>>>Jupiter, did all these honorable things, it lists all these things, and 
>>>I was reading about him and he woke me up!(Later, I looked up 
>>> Jupiter, and the book said that Jupiter is the Religion Planet, with the 
>>> God- ruler being Zeus) Pylos had shoulder length sandy hair wavy, and wore 
>>a brown tunic, and a white glowing cloth on his head with a bird-like 
>>>golden crown across his brow, deep black blue-ish eyes, golden 
>>>lights shine on him. He was the first Angel I saw. 
>>>he talked to me for three days while  in a light-altered state and 
>   the angel called me by the name of " O Moon." 
>>>On the way to God, when He, the One God (GOD), 
>> took me, I first went through a big( Planet Jupiter?) 
>>>Being, that I imagined very much like Zeus the "God" of the 
>>>Greeks.  He showed me things, and then I kept going toward the 
>>>Beginning of the Creation, I went past dark space with evenly 
>>>placed pulsars, then I went into a huge blue tunnel of swirling 
>>>lights that had a Black Primal Sun at the very End of it(He is the Alpha 
>>and theOmega).  I heardthe ROAR of the Angels,  and all Creation praising 
>>God all thru this incident.  It was so roaringly loud, I thought my Head 
>would explode, 
>>it scared me so, the sound was stronger than any thing you can ever 
> imagine,I grew used to it, once I took off. 
>>>I also experienced more and more and more and more Bliss, Ectasy, 
>>>Rapture, ever-increasing Joy, as I flew, went toward God.  He,an Infinite 
>Sea of Consciousnes, Surrounded me with such Love and Adored me, I felt so 
>special,and small like a plain little sparrow,( oh the Love!) 
>>>so very precious. I realized He is the Source and Revealer of all 
>>>our "virtues", we are merely, shadowy ripples of reflections on the 
>>>mirror of Creation, what we experience here is very shallow reflections 
>>>of feelings that we shall grow to know and possess.GOD regards every-One 
>>>with the same intensity, Special Creation that they are! 
>>>I experience an awful lot, including Oneness with all life on Earth, the 
>Grass,and plants included, Oneness with the Stars, and when I kept flying at  
>>>that incredibly fast speed toward the Source, I started to Vibrate in  
>>>such a way that my molecules, and /or Spirit would be pulled 
>apart,expanded, and distroyed forever by the Heat of the Intensity of the 
>Nearness of God, I grew fearful, and Returned, unharmed, but changed 
> forever to my bed. I had experienced my full capacity at that time to know 
>>>God, hopefully when I return, I will be able to go further and closer 
>>>to Him. . 
>>>I will leave off here.  
>>>Talk to you all soon!  
>>>Victoria  ~V~ 
>> 
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> 
> 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:50:31 -0800 
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! 
Message-ID: <33430CE7.43C5ATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
 
Tom Aston wrote:
 
> >I wonder why the FBI would get involved? 
> >Are they really on a mission to crush deviant spirituality in America?
 
I hope so - perhaps I should write to them 
for I am on a UnHoly Mission to crush deviant spirituality 
everywhere. 
Perhaps we could form an FBI/Kundalini Alliance 
Of course because the Security Forces worldwide 
belong to a "Cult" mentality of  
being right 
justifying bizarre behaviour etc 
perhaps our first mission would be 
to destroy our own existence? 
- however that would be too reminescent of the recent 
Hail Bopp ascensions 
(Lobster removes thinking cap 
- throws away brain 
and dances into the distance . . . ) 
 
 
> ....and there is also scope here for yogis to join with those of a 
> liberal and civil liberties persuasion. a grand alliance of free 
> thinkers and free spirits. 
  
Work behind the scenes by being up front 
Ally yourself with Ms Shakti (Goddess) 
Yogis bear arms 
to catch the Sun 
Do not join 
what you already are a member of 
Now onward 
Shine 
Shine the Light
 
Most Kind Regards 
Lobster
 
 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*  A R C  
 
Not suitable for people with any kind of disposition
 
 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/ 
Date: 02 Apr 97 15:51:35 EST 
From: Michael Yoshpa <74657.3001ATnospamCompuServe.com> 
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: RE:Shamanic talkshow 
Message-ID: <970402205135_74657.3001_BHW32-1ATnospamCompuServe.COM>
 
Dear K-ers, 
Someone had recently posted the following:
 
>If anybody is interested in joining this 
>Shamanic talkshow(with all respect) here's the adress:  
>ixtlanATnospamibag.com
 
I tried the above address, but it does not exist ATnospamibag.com. Could you please 
doublecheck?
 
Thanks,  
MMY 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:05:55 -0800 
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
Message-ID: <3342CA33.194AATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> 
 
I blathered: 
>  
> There was no pain for me, and no fear, just surprise.
 
maybe I should have mentioned that previous to this, in other  
meditation retreats, I had gone through a lot of pain and fear, 
which was maybe why they were absent this time?
 
anyway, I stopped meditating for a while, too, on another 
occasion, out of fear, after a 3 day brush with K.   
But I think now, such a reaction of 
stopping meditation to avoid something unpleasurable is  
similar to increasing meditation to reexperience something 
pleasurable.  
 
Seems like it is like the weather, if you dont 
like it, or even if you do like it, if you stick around, it  
will change.  So, either way, no need to worry?
 
Cheers, 
Peter 
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 15:18:21 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: FK3000ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Kundalini and healing 
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At 23:11 01/04/97 -0500, FK3000ATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>In a message dated 97-04-01 19:48:16 EST, you write: 
> 
><< I have found that  if I cut any cords which have connected between my aura 
> and my client's aura, it is easier to separate from them after the healing. 
>How do you cut it? 
> 
>I'm not a healer by choice, it just keep happening (I keep doing it without 
>noticing) Specially when I try or I think I am healing my self!!! 
> 
>I don't even know how to heal my self, I don't know anymore what is to be 
>normal or to have your own spirit!!!, I feel like every ones vehicle, they 
>take the ride and I get F... up, I'm getting tired of the same Sh...t. 
> 
>I start even loosing sinchronicity, memory, self power, I throw everything 
>away.  
>HELP! 
> 
>Thanks!!! 
> 
>(New subscriber to kundalini) 
> 
>Fanny 
>
 
  Close your eyes, relax your mind, imagine a cord of light coming from 
your navel.  
State aloud 3x you intention to cut any aka cords connected to you that are 
not in your highest good. ( Some cords are from folks who are giving you 
love light and healing) stating aloud your intention to only cut those 
cords caring negative energies protects those carrying positive energies 
from being harmed.  
  Hold your fingers out like scissors in front of your navel and snip. Or 
imagine your hand as etheric light sword and cut the cords. 
 
  You energy body is under the guidance of your imagination.  
As you imagine it, so it will be.  
Some folks imagine the bubble surface of their aura as a pink mirror that 
reflects negative energy back as love, without allowing it in. It works.  
  I channel negative energies into myself and transform them with my inner 
crystal transformer, into positive energy I can use.  
  So if someone calls me a bitch I end up laughing my head off, giddy...
 
  It is important to maintain a mental image of your energy being grounded 
to the earth. 
I will repost a grounding visualization that works well with K. Once you 
have the visualization clear you can ask a corner of your unconscous to 
maintain it for you. so you don't have to focus on it all the time.  
  It can take many repititions to get your unconscous trained, tho.
 
  One way to heal is to imagine someone as already perfect.  
  This can actually be more powerful than an intent to heal, because in the 
perception of someone needing healing, we also reinforce the negative 
perception that they are unwell.  
  Cleanse yourself of these perceptions, imagine them flowing out of your 
feet and back to the earth. Everything is perfect already, everything is 
happenning as it should, trust and faith in Goddess to show you the silver 
linings.
 
  To address your frustration: things have always been like this, only now 
you have the perception to notice. So, notice what occupies your attention, 
and notice how the focus of your attention creates your reality.  
  Pretty quick, things will start to work themselves out...you keep getting 
dragged back to the things you try to throw away, eh?  
  There must be a powerful gift there for you, for your unconscous/K. to be 
so insistent on presenting it to you over and over. Ask for blessings, 
trust to silver linings. 
 We are here for you. 
 Blessings, Angelique. 
  
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:07:43 +0000 
From: David.WhiteATnospammail.bl.uk (David White) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Looking for Flanagan 
Message-ID: <00024DBD.1424ATnospammail.bl.uk> 
 
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     As well as AltaVista, which you must try, at: 
      
     http://www.altavista.com 
      
     other possibilities are: 
      
     for emails 
      
     http://www.four11.com 
      
     or  
      
     http://www.infospace.com/mage/people.html 
      
     Good Luck` 
      
     David 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:59:22 -0800 
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Big Trees 
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Dear Lobster,
 
I went to the Redwoods and they are awesome. I spent a couple of hours with 
one (about 20 foot diameter) in particular. 
I sat in a hollowed out place in its root structure and meditated. 
It was a pleasant and moving experience. 
I can not say I had any revelations.
 
During the drive to and from the Redwoods I did quite a bit of thinking. 
It seems to me that my problem is the failure to experience excitement and 
joy especially in the naturally occuring next moment. 
This condition is not longer the result of shame or fear. 
I have, to a large extent, resolved long standing negative scripts and 
psychopathology, and now I am sort of in emotional neutral. 
I find I lack the passion and emotional involvement which I observe in others. 
I embrace the concept of generalized love, but I seem to lack the warm fuzzies.
 
I also seem to have difficulty with the concept of God or Higher Power or 
Great Mystery.  
Golas says that "The way out . . . is by being willing to conceive of it--by 
loving it. . ." 
I believe I am willing, but the concept is not integrating.
 
I belive I am functionally disconnected from those right-brained feeling 
which give one a sense of God, home, love, etc.
 
My left brain has trouble with the God concept.  
Perhaps you or others would share ideas about what is God.
 
Struggling and sincere, 
Ken 
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 16:03:17 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Grounding repost and new stuff.. 
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 an exercise to become grounded, well enough connected to source to be 
quite immune to most negative energy. It's a pretty simple visualization, 
when I use it with people I enhance their energy flow with the power of my 
own K., and sometimes the result is Kundalini awakening. 
  I also use the same grounding technique for myself when I set out to do 
healing, or any kind of magic. 
 
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:::::::::::> 
 Opening through the heart chakra is extremely gentle.:
 
>>  In opening the awareness of individuals, I usually begin with a simple 
grounding visualization.  
>>  I have them sit comfortably, crosslegged or more often in a chair in a 
balanced 
position, hands apart, feet flat on the floor.  
>> A sunbeam visualized warming the top of the head, then the top of the 
head becomes a flower (1000 petaled lotus) opens to the warmth and draws the 
sunlight down it's stem, into the third eye and throat, to fill a reservoir 
space in the torso, from belly to collarbone. when the space is filled, a 
stream of light leaks from the bottom of the reservoir, down through the 
feet, down to the center of the earth. Gaia's fiery crystalline heart, her 
Kundalini. 
>>  When the beam hits the centre, it sparks a volcano of energy that comes 
roaring backup like old faithful, back into feet, exploding center into 
radiance, shooting out the top of the head like an umbrella-fountain, 
sun drops rolling down to describe the oval that is the aura's perimeter, 
making it complete and sealed against all harm. Some earth energy is sent 
back up to higher self, but the center increases in brilliance to fill the 
aura completely. When I feel and see that the energy is complete, flowing 
both ways and charging the aura to whatever seems to be their maximum 
brilliance, I snap my fingers with the suggestion that the circuit has been 
'locked in'. Their unconscious will now maintain the energy flow, while I 
guide their observations. 
>>  We observe the complete abscence of negative or fearful thoughts in this 
state. 
>>     the relaxation and sense of well being. 
>>     the tingling of the soles of the feet and fingertips 
>>     the sensation of lightness of being 
>>     we try to find an emotion that describes the feeling of the energy, 
>>     and discover the only word that fits is love. 
>>     absolute, unconditional love and acceptance. 
>>(The shock of this sometimes completely un-grounds very insecure people, 
and you have to ease them past their feelings of being unworthy, and start 
again. Very worth doing.) 
>>     I bring their attention back to thier center, (Heart Chakra) and 
tell them to ask 
the light in their center if it loves them, and if they are perfect already, 
and listen for an answer. 
>>     They sometimes look at me funny but they ask anyway, and the answer 
always fills them with joy and awe. It is very beautiful. I have them ask it 
a few more questions, to build their trust and faith in their inner voice, 
that it has always and always will be there for them, and to ask it for 
insight into some minor difficulty they have been having. I ask them to 
choose a small problem to start, because I want them to experience success, 
and it takes practice to stay grounded when contemplating big emotional 
issues.  
>> Then I teach them how to do the visualization in one breath, twenty times 
a day. 
>>And anything else my intuition tells me they need to learn. 
>>   
>>  Once they are connected with their soul-voice, and have integrated the 
idea that they are perfect and unconditionally loved by the universe, (even 
if not by themselves) 
>>they are well on the path to K. awakening. The grounding excercise keeps 
them in a nonjudgemental state, and in touch with their guidance, and 
continues, with every repetition to clear blockages and strengthen the 
energy body. 
>>  I've seen some people in my life totally transform their lives, from the 
springboard of this one little visualization, repeated faithfully. 
>It is ancient and powerful.
 
  I would welcome comments on this technique. 
   Blessings, Angelique.
 
;:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 
   When doing healing, it is helpful to know that the energy body is 
polarized like a magnet or a battery. Top/right side is positive, bottom/ 
left side is positive.  
   The energy travels from the right hand to the left, through center to 
recharge and back. Send your energy through them at opposite polarities, as 
magnets must be opposite poles to attract. Hold hands facing, or put your 
right hand lower and your left hand higher on/above their body. Suck 
negative energy out with left hand and send it through to the earth to be 
transformed, replace it with positive energy from the right hand.  
  I have done this to two people from a distance, even, to end an argument. 
But it makes me technically a vampire, even tho the energy I stole was 
negative, and I replaced it with more positive. I had been sitting near two 
people at a party who got into an argument. I got tired of hearing them and 
having that vibe around me, so I sucked the negative energy off with my 
left hand, slightly turned towards them behind their back, and they both 
got quiet and kind of crumpled, where they sat. Then I subtly pointed my 
right palm at them and gave them both a good zap, and imagined their energy 
grounded. They both perked up, ended their argument and one went off 
elsewhere. 
  If you don't want to be a vampire, simply imagine that the space between 
your hands is like the filament of a light bulb, the part of your 
electrical circuit that gives off light energy. Place your hands according 
to the reverse polarity on either side of the injury, and imagine the 
filament is inside them, and the injury is gathering golden/white light and 
beginning to glow. Then use your imagination to lock the glow in place, so 
that it is being fed from their own energy source. 
 
  Blessings, Angelique. 
********* 
    A few more weird ideas..... 
 The local mind is producing limitation after limitation. Because it must, 
that is it's job. It is for 3d navigation. It is the weakest part of your 
mind, your being. 
  It can only work with what it knows, and it can know very little, in the 
overall scheme of things.  
  Einstien used imagination to discover E=mc2, imagining himself to be a 
photon, and travelling an imaginary trip in his mind...or was it an obe? 
 "Imagination is more important than knowledge." 
 
  It is normal to try to fall back on logic for safety when the enormity of 
K. gets scary, but in the end it is usually of little use. We must discard 
logic and reach for faith and imagination.  
  Know that logic can come up with Reasons and limitations endlessly. 
That's what it is good at.  
  Keeping you stuck in 3d. 
  It comes always in the end to choosing to ignore logic and focus on faith 
and desire. 
 
  Space and time do not exist, and we are all one.  
  Love transcends space and time, because it is the E that =mc2, the very 
fabric of the universe of 3d we perceive, it is All.  
  Matter and energy are one, and energy is Love. We use love to shape 
reality.  
 As Darkness is the absence of light, so fear is the absence of love. 
 
   Expectations are a way of creating limitations on our experience. If you 
have an expectation that a certain kind of music will put you into a trace, 
you also close yourself off to the possibilities of attaining trance 
anywhere, with anything. The choice of how you perceive resides with you. 
It is your world. 
  If you have expectations that you are vulnerable to the negative energy 
of others, likewise you will be.
 
   Richard Bach said, "Argue for your limitations, and you get to keep them."  
  I mean that kindly.  
   
  We know way more than we think we know, but to access it we have to give 
up what we think we know.  
......we are exactly as limited as we believe we are.  
Releasing the fear/separation beliefs is the process of enlightenment. 
 
  The words you are reading are a partial communication of idea and 
intention. The total of the communication we are actually exchanging goes 
far, far beyond these words, and is not dependent on any mechanical or 
physical system.  
  Don't underestimate the power of your imagination. It is the most 
powerful tool we have. Close your eyes for a moment and feel the energy 
resonating from this post, and ask your heart chakra if what I say is true.  
  You might get an emotional response, you might get an internal 
explanation, you might get anything. Release expectations and listen.
 
  Give yourself the patience you would give to a small child learning to 
walk. It is your inner child, after all, that has the imagination power to 
make this real. And the determination.  
  A child falls down a hundred times, yet you don't see any adults who are 
crawlers.  
  We all get it eventually. We fall down over and over, forgive ourselves 
and cry, and get on our feet again to try to take that first step.  
  We learn to walk, then run, then we learn to forget all that and give up 
the limitations so we can levitate... 
   Blessings, Mystress. 
    
PS: Cool Tantra site:  
http://www.tantra.org/ 
>
 
Mystress Angelique Serpent,  
  Dominant Experiential Facilitator. 
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent 
 *******************  
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils. 
     -- Hector Louis Berlioz  
Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of 
something else anyway.     -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide 
review board  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. 
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:59:35 -0500 (EST) 
From: RWilli2ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Looking for Flanagan 
Message-ID: <970402175606_-702954762ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
 
What is looking for Flanagan???? 
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:59:56 -0500 (EST) 
From: VidentATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: That Electric Shock 
Message-ID: <970402175834_1519056122ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
 
In a message dated 97-04-02 17:17:36 EST, you write:
 
<<  
 DarkWay wrote: 
 >  
 > one night I came out of this and into that stage before sleep and then out 
of no were I felt this eletrical shock[Like a Lighting bolt}Go from my feet 
to my crown, 
 >  
 > I felt myself lift off and drop back on the bed.it was very painfull I and 
i stoped meditating out of fear. 
  >> 
Dear DarkWay, 
I lurk on a mailing list where all are remote viewers.  They sometimes 
discuss feeling a shock before going OOB.  Perhaps you were at the threshold, 
but not quite ready to take the plunge.   
   Love, 
      Susan 
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:31:03 +0100 
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu> 
Subject: Re: Big Trees 
Message-ID: <9pCagQAn4tQzEwhRATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
 
In message <1.5.4.32.19970402215922.00663b68ATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>, Ken 
McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU> writes 
>Dear Lobster, 
> 
>I went to the Redwoods and they are awesome. I spent a couple of hours with 
>one (about 20 foot diameter) in particular. 
>I sat in a hollowed out place in its root structure and meditated. 
>It was a pleasant and moving experience. 
>I can not say I had any revelations. 
> 
>During the drive to and from the Redwoods I did quite a bit of thinking. 
>It seems to me that my problem is the failure to experience excitement and 
>joy especially in the naturally occuring next moment. 
>This condition is not longer the result of shame or fear. 
>I have, to a large extent, resolved long standing negative scripts and 
>psychopathology, and now I am sort of in emotional neutral. 
>I find I lack the passion and emotional involvement which I observe in others. 
>I embrace the concept of generalized love, but I seem to lack the warm fuzzies. 
> 
>I also seem to have difficulty with the concept of God or Higher Power or 
>Great Mystery.  
>Golas says that "The way out . . . is by being willing to conceive of it--by 
>loving it. . ." 
>I believe I am willing, but the concept is not integrating. 
> 
>I belive I am functionally disconnected from those right-brained feeling 
>which give one a sense of God, home, love, etc. 
> 
>My left brain has trouble with the God concept.  
>Perhaps you or others would share ideas about what is God. 
> 
>Struggling and sincere, 
>Ken 
> 
Could be that you just need to get used to this sense of emptiness that 
is well known to Buddhism...could, of course, simply be spiritual 
deadness and emotional numbness, but if shakti is involved i somehow 
doubt it.....why not tell us a little more about how it started....you 
know, i longed for all the old certainties of hearth and home for quite 
a while after shakti started developing esoteric insight into just how 
misguided my atttachments were...not unusual when shakti moves up 
through the chakras, especially from manipura to anahata, to feel like 
in a vacuum when in fact have new opportunities to free oneself from 
mundane understanding...any help ? yogi Tom  
--  
Tom Aston
 
 
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