1997/04/02 11:29
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #139
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 139
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #125
newbie
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Enter The Wolf Lodge.
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: kundalini and healing
Angel of the Month
Re: Pictures
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: Unidentified subject!
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Re: Flanagan
Gilead Sciences
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:56:05 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #125
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In message <199704011855.MAA27044ATnospamns2.icon.net>, Jeanne Garner
<jeannegATnospamicon.net> writes
>>You wrote: It's never happened to me, at least so far (and I'm an
>>empath, perhaps logically more susceptible than some). Reiki is
>>actually self-grounding, but if grounding makes you feel
>>> more "secure," then certainly no harm done.
>>
>>I agree, I took Reiki specifically to help me stay at a distance and
>>grounded.. Its much easier when your an Empath to use Reiki. One of the
>>experiences that led me to it was picking up the emotional trauma of
>>someone I was working on. It took me a couple of hours to get free of
>>it...
>
>Yes, Reiki heals the healer as well. That's something a lot of people don't
>realize (although my teachers taught me that from the first).
>
>I've also been reading some notes saying Reiki somehow interferes with k.
>awakening--nothing could be further from the truth. I've used it
>successfully, in fact, to help with difficult awakenings. It will even out
>the uneven flow of Reiki, helping to dissolve blocks and bring the system
>back to balance. Two such people have told me that it smooths out the
>process so nicely, they have all the "goodies" with few of the discomforts
>that sometimes arise. I wonder if people mistake the absence of shakes,
>tremors, etc., for meaning there's nothing going on at all? It is--but
>quietly and harmoniously.
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
Hi there, i trained part-time for two years on a shiatsu practitioners'
course during which gained grounding in various Oriental energy
techniques, and enjoyed a lot of good experiences channelling energy to
others, especially the brow and heart centres in a kind of effortless
meditative state.....but then shakti lost interest in others and started
moving up from heart into MY head and throat more deeply and chi/ki just
dried up in hands and I had overwhelming desire to meditate to help this
process along....will probably never finish practitioner's course now as
clearly shakti has other plans here, even though my shiatsu is pretty
good now, but not so divinely selfless, loving and compassionate as
before, more technical and empowering in terms of spotting where
receiver can help themselves at all levels..occasionally can let go
completely and float off into bliss when someone with good spiritual
development arrives on scene....as for receiving healing - totally out
of the question unless very sympatico giver as shakti doesn't like any
kind of interference with having its way with me, however well-
intentioned it may be..
just thought you might like to know that these things can just be a
phase rather than a lifelong vocation....and vice versa....don't be too
concerned about the form of one's energy, more interested in its quality
and the reality it reflects....shakti can break all the conventional
rules quite easily. probaly best not to try and sraitjacket energy into
classes in long run if one can avoid it as shakti doen't always like
fixed systems etc....rather anarchic force in my experience...
regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:30:30 +0000
From: David.WhiteATnospammail.bl.uk (David White)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: newbie
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hi,
I just found the listserver address this morning. I read about
kundalini some years ago, and it seemed like the sort of thing I had
been feeling.
I just want to write to say that reading the four messages so far
today is already getting me feeling high. Mind you, I'll believe
anything!
I'm looking forward to many more inane-looking-grin-giving messages
from everyone.
Love,
David
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:03:23 +0000
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
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Hi there,
I saw that you may live in Hawii, so I thought to get your energies moving
en force, it may be fun and reSourcerful to Sit or Walkabout One of them
Volcanos which Erupt when Nature calls.....
I am Sure you will get Alot of Reverberations on your Q!!!Today...
Your Friend,
Victoria
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>Can anyone tell me how to let more energy in and out of my chakras? I know
I need to let energy out of my third eye/brow chakra. Thank you.
>
>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:56:13 +0100
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <VCEgKFA9VmQzEw27ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <3341975B.623CATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>, Peter Norton
<pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> writes
>SACKMAN, CHRISTIAN D wrote:
>>
>> The Hale-Bopp comet site at http://www.artbell.com is unavailable. I
>> tried to go there this morning and it is closed by the FBI because of
>> possible connections to the federal investigation into the heavans gate
>> suicide case.
>
>I wonder why the FBI would get involved?
>Are they really on a mission to crush deviant spirituality in America?
>
>I just saw the documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" last
>night and wonder if it portends the coming repression of
>spiritual transformation that some gurus have predicted, when
>even meditation will become a crime, which will finally realize
>Orwell's prediction of 'thought crime'.
>
>If anyone feels fat, dumb, and happy about freedom of religion in
>America, I highly recommend seeing this film.
>"Waco: The Rules of Engagement"
>
>"The struggle of man against oppression, is the struggle of
>memory against forgetting."
>-Milan Kundera, 'The Book of Laughter and Forgetting'
>
As a Brit, i can say, as a disinterested observer that i think waco is
merely one aspect of this "deviant spirituality" versus
science/state/materialism debate...it's a huge and complex subject with
numerous aspects and while i'm wary of discussing kundalini and Tantra,
for instance, even with some friends and acquaintances, it's more than
just Western culture that is the problem here. One inevitably draws a
response, either positive or negative when one lives out certain truths,
even more so when those truths are spiritual as they can be seen to
inherently challenge others, however far from one's intention that may
be.
to be honest, i wouldn't want to identify either with the state and the
FBI or a community armed to the teeth with automatic weaponry.....so i'm
not sure this had much to do with spirituality versus the state at
all.....perhaps more interesting is the low level of tolerance and ease
of marginalising and disenfranchising eccentric, apparently "non-
productive" and alternative - not only spiritual - culture within modern
capitalism and reductive psychiatry and psychology...now that, i am wary
of in some ways, especially for those who have been less privileged than
myself, for instance, in terms of upbringing and education as they never
get a chance in many cases to realise their potential as human
beings....and there is also scope here for yogis to join with those of a
liberal and civil liberties persuasion. a grand alliance of free
thinkers and free spirits.
regards Yogi "soapbox" Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:21:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Blackford <krbATnospamumich.edu>
To: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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I looked at the site yesterday and found a postscript at the bottom--April
Fools... The lesson here is thoroughly investigate for yourself. Cult
groups are grounded in the paranoid construction of reality. My own
opinion is that we need to be very careful about adding to this view
through the careless spreading of unsubstantiated rumor.
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Peter Norton wrote:
> SACKMAN, CHRISTIAN D wrote:
> >
> > The Hale-Bopp comet site at http://www.artbell.com is unavailable. I
> > tried to go there this morning and it is closed by the FBI because of
> > possible connections to the federal investigation into the heavans gate
> > suicide case.
>
> I wonder why the FBI would get involved?
> Are they really on a mission to crush deviant spirituality in America?
>
> I just saw the documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" last
> night and wonder if it portends the coming repression of
> spiritual transformation that some gurus have predicted, when
> even meditation will become a crime, which will finally realize
> Orwell's prediction of 'thought crime'.
>
> If anyone feels fat, dumb, and happy about freedom of religion in
> America, I highly recommend seeing this film.
> "Waco: The Rules of Engagement"
>
> "The struggle of man against oppression, is the struggle of
> memory against forgetting."
> -Milan Kundera, 'The Book of Laughter and Forgetting'
>
>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:37:00 +0000
From: vic bonds <wildwingsATnospampeconic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enter The Wolf Lodge.
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>On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Jon Locke wrote:
>
>> When you want peace and comfort,
>> When you want safety and friends,
>> When you want knowledge and wisdom,
>> When you want music and magic,
>> Then it's time to enter the Wolf Lodge.
>> http://www.wolflodge.org/
>> It opens with music.
>> Then the adventure begins.
>> 'Just sharing a page with all my friends.
>
>Wolfies!!!!
>--------------------------*****************
>Of course I'll come
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
>::howl::
>* Amber *
>------------------------********************
are night spirits welcome,
they love the beat
of the shamonic music
the dance of the feet
While the fires burn low
and the music drones on
the spirits of the night
have to move right on
before the sunrise
if they get caught
will be surprised..
and returned what they bought
smell a singed hair
and a bone or two
but it's worth it all
just to be there with You...(Friends)
at the wolfe lodge...
~V~
Victoria
>* "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." *
>* *
>* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q *
>* *
>* "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have *
>* no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
>* ) o ( *
>* Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar
* *
>
>
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amber SilverWolf <aberman1ATnospamic3.ithaca.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Dee wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to let more energy in and out of my chakras? I
> know I need to let energy out of my third eye/brow chakra. Thank you.
I can give you a meditation on how to *balance* your chakra energies,
which would help you to stabilize the third eye problem.
If you meditate, this should be no trouble to follow. If you're not a
meditator, let me know and I'll give you some instructions.
Visualize, while meditating, all of your chakras in terms of light. Some
of them will be brighter than others, and this will tell you which ones
have yet to be cleaned out, used, or ones that are used frequently and the
strongest. In your mind, imagine a sort of light switch and increase the
brightness of some while dimming down others slightly to keep them under
control. Continue doing this until they are at a comfortable brightness,
and all of them the same amount of light and brightness. Look also for
the width and general size of the chakras; make sure that they are the
same. Your problem may be that you aren't making the chakra wide enough to
handle all the energy that comes to it.
Hope this helps....
* Amber *
* "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." *
* *
* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q *
* *
* "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have *
* no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
* ) o ( *
* Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar * *
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:31:54 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini and healing
Message-Id: <199704021631.KAA25389ATnospamns2.icon.net>
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>The key is to be the
>channel, not to be attached to the outcome.
Exactly! And isn't that a life-lesson as well? Well, maybe it's just me,
maybe everyone else learned this long ago, but learning Reiki taught me the
infinite wisdom of letting go of my expectations, surrendering my ideas of
what ought to be, to those coming from a higher wisdom. That wonderful
inner guidance is infinitely wiser than some of the silliness my ego can
come up with. :)
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:34:55 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
Subject: Angel of the Month
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The web site THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE has a photo of the Angel of the Month
for April, 1997. She is Rev. Patti Balsdon of Cape Coral, Florida. I had
the pleasure of meeting her during my last trip to Florida. Also written up
on the web site. She is a fantastic healer and psychic reader. I could feel
the energy coming off of her. She is dynamic and well centered. Take a
look.
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron/
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:22:49 -0800
From: MAX PRESCOTT <sumacATnospamwin.bright.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pictures
Message-ID: <3342A3F9.BC7ATnospamwin.bright.net>
I have to agree with Joe about sending pictures and attachments. I was
having trouble with yesturdays mail from this list. It took two hours to
load then I couldn't bring them up either. I liked what Joe said below
as a suggestion. Thank you, Colleen
Joseph Miller wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I read that there have been some picutes posted lately. Thanks for the
> consideration and the thoughts. But if I might that does bring up one point.
>
> I am sure that many aren't aware of it but there are is a problem with the
> interface between the list server system and some other mail systems, including
> the one I'm on. All attachments to messages you send get included in the text
> of the digest, as text. This means that, to those with such systems, pictures
> come to us, not as pictures but as ASCI text. Lots and lots of ASCI text. One
> file today was over 100k of nothing but unspaced random looking repeats of all
> the characters in the ASCI character set. It was slow and bulky to handle, and
> then just delete, it was good for nothing else.
>
> Our list masteress mentioned a problem sending pictures last month.
>
> May I suggest we not send pictures until the net can handle it better. Giving
> the URL is very helpful and I do appreciate that, I have checked out a few and
> liked what I saw.
>
> I know it is the interface between the two mail systems because on the same
> mail system I get several graphic messages every day (including the Web edition
> of the N.Y. Times, which is made to look just like the front page of a
> newspaper, pictures of politicians and all). It may have something to do the
> interface and with the way it does the digest or it may just be the interfaces.
> I do know it doesn't work as anything but a pain for some of us.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Joe
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:08:07 -1000 (HST)
From: DarkWay <DarkWayATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199704021708.HAA23686ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
well 2 years ago I had a expiernce Which I am not sure of.Someone told me it was the Kundalini so I'll post what happed here
I 2 years ago was focused on Astral projections I had been meditating for 2 weeks every night in which I whuld go in and out of this Blankness,
one night I came out of this and into that stag before sleep and then out of no were I felt this eletrical shock[Like a Lighting bolt}Go from my feet to my crown,
I felt myself lift off and drop back on the bed.it was very painfull I and i stoped meditating out of fear.2 years later I have just gotten back into this stuff and whould like to learn about it
I have not been able to get into that blank stat since then so I was loking for help and suggestions...
Well laters
------------->DarkWay<----------------
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:19:09 -0500 (EST)
From: HawwunATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <970402121902_-1570434019ATnospamemout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-04-02 09:38:29 EST, you write:
<< >I wonder why the FBI would get involved?
>Are they really on a mission to crush deviant spirituality in America?
> >>
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Hawwun/PG1.html">s</A> <---click there
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amber SilverWolf <aberman1ATnospamic3.ithaca.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-id: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970402123049.499068A-100000ATnospamic3.ithaca.edu>
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On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 HawwunATnospamaol.com wrote:
> >Are they really on a mission to crush deviant spirituality in America?
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Hawwun/PG1.html">s</A> <---click there
Can't do it unless you're on AOL...I have an account there, BTW, as
Lolandrea....
Anyhow, I heard of the whole suicide thing and personally thought that it
was an early April Fool's thing until I saw the news. It amazes me
sometimes what people do out of faith, but I can't condemn them, either.
It's their lives, not mine....
* Amber *
* "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." *
* *
* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q *
* *
* "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have *
* no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
* ) o ( *
* Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar * *
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:28:58 +0000
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Amber SilverWolf <aberman1ATnospamic3.ithaca.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Amber SilverWolf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Dee wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me how to let more energy in and out of my chakras? I
> > know I need to let energy out of my third eye/brow chakra. Thank you.
>
> I can give you a meditation on how to *balance* your chakra energies,
> which would help you to stabilize the third eye problem.
>
> If you meditate, this should be no trouble to follow. If you're not a
> meditator, let me know and I'll give you some instructions.
>
> Visualize, while meditating, all of your chakras in terms of light. Some
> of them will be brighter than others, and this will tell you which ones
> have yet to be cleaned out, used, or ones that are used frequently and the
> strongest. In your mind, imagine a sort of light switch and increase the
> brightness of some while dimming down others slightly to keep them under
> control. Continue doing this until they are at a comfortable brightness,
> and all of them the same amount of light and brightness. Look also for
> the width and general size of the chakras; make sure that they are the
> same. Your problem may be that you aren't making the chakra wide enough to
> handle all the energy that comes to it.
>
> Hope this helps....
>
> * Amber *
>
> * "...for I love the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night...." *
> * *
> * "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q *
> * *
> * "For my will is as strong as yours, and my kingdom is as great. You have *
> * no power over me!" -Labyrinth *
> * ) o ( *
> * Amber SilverWolf/Lolandrea Psikine'Aelanar * *
HI, Not to differ from this but I wouldn't manipulate the flow at all,
instead I would work at becoming grounded in the heart center and
filling the soul/spirit with transformational love. When you do this the
other things naturally fall into place as the frequency of the body
raises through love. Those who make it a practice of trying to do
anything miss the purpose of the meditation experience which is to
connect up to the divine stream and move spontaneously without thought
or focus on any self-involved thought. God first, then simply purify
your self, reflect, let go and connect up into love. It can be simple if
you allow it to be. Gloria
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:02:21 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Tobias Ussing <tobiasATnospamcybernet.dk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Flanagan
Message-Id: <199704021802.KAA19793ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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Have you done a web search? Which services? Search Engines? Written in
care of his publisher?
I located an author by using Alta Vista. He had posted and left an e-mail
address on an alumni newsletter. He wrote back quickly. Give it a try.
M
At 10:15 PM 3/31/97 +0200, Tobias Ussing wrote:
>hi kundalini-people.
>
>I am very interested in having the adress of G. Patrick Flanagan, Ph.D. He
>is the author of Pyramid Power, and Beyond pyramid power. He invented the
>neurophone in 1962. He has practiced yoga from the age of 8 and he knows a
>lot about the energies in human beings. I have a Kundaliniarousal which
>happened after a visit in the gread pyramid of Gizeh in Egypt. I am very
>interested in the mysteries of the great pyramid in Egypt and i have had
>many exiting and weird experiences with pyramid power. I have a lot of
>questions to ask Dr. Flanagan, and i have searched for his adress for many
>years. If someone knows where he lives i would be very gratefull if i could
>have it.
>
>many thanks from Kira Sorensen, Copenhagen,
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:02:24 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Gilead Sciences
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Fun post. Do you really work there? I've been thinking of investing in the
stock...what do you think of it?
At 01:05 PM 4/1/97 -0800, Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer wrote:
>Yes, indeedly-doodly Peter! The placebo effect DOES work. Too well in
>fact. Here at Gilead Sciences we pay a herd of medical statisticians to
>do one major task; get rid of the placebo effect from our clinical
>trials so we can demonstrate statistical significance in the efficacy of
>our drugs.
> Yes, Virginia there is a job for you if you get a mathematics degree
> that DOESN"T require you to say, "Will you have fries with that
>burger?"
> The placebo effect is also weeded out by the double-blind study where
>neither the doctor nor the patient know which is the real drug and which
>is the placebo. That STILL doesn't get rid of it as simply taking
>ANYTHING is beneficial to some people in some cases. I have often
>thought that doctors miss the boat by calling their trade an 'art'.
>There ought to be a recognition of 'collaborative science', wherein the
>active belief system of the subject is a mathematically calculable
>quantity ..... but, then how would you separate it from psychiatry,
>tarot reading and phrenology?
> Never heard one of the zen-bells of which you speak - would like to
>hear one. As far as duplicating things and reexperiencing, I do have one
>odd one to relate. I had just gotten back from the bathroom in the
>middle of the night, climbed into bed, rolled over on my right side,
>threw my left leg & knee up onto a long pillow I keep at the edge of my
>waterbed, when my spontaneous awakening began. To this day, when I get
>my body and extremities very nearly in that position, the body-shaking
>vibrations start as from the first time.
>Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
>Dan-RF
>"What the world needs is a really effective placebo, something colorful,
>noisy, awful tasting and VERY painful; would probably cure damn near
>every ill known to man!"
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:21:05 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <3342A391.3099ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
DarkWay wrote:
>
> one night I came out of this and into that stage before sleep and then out of no were I felt this eletrical shock[Like a Lighting bolt}Go from my feet to my crown,
>
> I felt myself lift off and drop back on the bed.it was very painfull I and i stoped meditating out of fear.
Hi, DarkWay,
I have experienced this shock too, during a meditation retreat when
I was beyond tired and going in and out of the sleep/dream state while
trying to come back to the breath, then whammo! the old electric
shock and seemed like all boundaries disappeared, and my mind
expanded and expanded for a bit then I woke up into ordinary
consciousness as the energy flooded my body.
There was no pain for me, and no fear, just surprise.
The fear comes from the ego, I think, which is afraid of losing its
grip on your consciousness. Helps to come to terms with the
ego before this as a partner in your quest, and reassure it that
you are not out to hurt it, or something like that.
I kept meditating and have not reexperinced the shock. I think
it is just a stage, sort of like the burning/cleansing in
kundalini (which I have only briefly experienced, (I am not a 'K-ite').
Anyway, read some more mysticism like Eckhart or Lankavatara or
Quantum Physics, and get the ego used to the reality of the
unbounded spaciousness of universal mind or something, then the fear
may not be such a big deal. Also may help to concentrate on a
devotional kind of meditation if you feel close to some dead
teacher and can believe that they are still alive and helping you.
Take Care,
Peter
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