1997/04/01 14:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #137
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 137
Today's Topics:
Re: Mantra
Unidentified subject!
to Anita: t'ai-chi from video
Re: Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?
Fwd: HALE-BOPP TURNS TOWARD EARTH!!!
Re: Mantra - newbie thought
Re: Mantra - newbie thought
Re: Your question
[Fwd: Re: Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?]
<<<<<Mantra Ray
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #125
Merkaba
Re: <<<<<Mantra Ray
Metaphysical Wedding Ceremony?
Re: HALE-BOPP TURNS TOWARD EARTH!!!
<<<<<Placebo
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:00:18 -0500
From: "SACKMAN, CHRISTIAN D" <CSACKMANATnospamoswego.org>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Mantra
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Oswego_City_Scho%l=OCSDEXC1-970401130018Z-7427ATnospamocsdexc1.oswego.org>
I have found a mantra that is rather helpful to me. "Ham" - "Sa".
Say, or think "Ham" when you inhale, and say or think "Sa" when you
exhale. This mantra is the natural sound a person makes while breathing.
{:-)> Chris Sackman
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:35:58 -0500
From: "SACKMAN, CHRISTIAN D" <CSACKMANATnospamoswego.org>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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The Hale-Bopp comet site at http://www.artbell.com is unavailable. I
tried to go there this morning and it is closed by the FBI because of
possible connections to the federal investigation into the heavans gate
suicide case.
{:-)> Chris Sackman
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:47:51 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: to Anita: t'ai-chi from video
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Hi Anita,
I know you asked privately, but I've been unable for some reason to send
mail to you, so I'm replying publicly. You asked about learning t'ai-chi
from a book or video.
>Hi Anita,
>
>There are a number of videos out there that claim to be full-fledged
>teaching videos, however I haven't seen any of them. Most people that have
>more than a few years practicing t'ai-chi seem to think it's not possible
>to learn the art from a video, much less from a book. There are a number
>of reasons for this. First of all, the movements can put alot of strain on
>the joints in the leg, and if the skeletal system is not kept in a
>particular alignment (which can often be difficult to see on video due to
>the loose clothing most t'ai-chists like to wear, among other reasons) the
>joints can actually be damaged. Secondly, as the energy begins to develop
>in the body, the body changes to adjust to it--this involves a softening of
>the tissues, including the internal organs. But they don't all change at
>the same pace, so the guidance of a teacher is important during this,
>because s/he can usually detect imbalances of chi in the body, and provide
>a remedy. There are other reasons, but these are the most important.
>Please understand I'm not trying to persuade you not to follow your
>own way--but if you do, you should have an idea of the issues involved. If
>you do decide to begin with video, I think that's okay, but find a personal
>teacher sooner rather than later. In the mean time, I'll be happy to help
>with any information at my disposal. :^)
>
>Jim
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:52:18 -0500 (EST)
From: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?
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Jon wrote
<<
Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?
I was wondering tonight how ETs view us. They look down and see a beautiful
planet which we are destroying. They see exceptional people throwing their
life away. They see half of the population believing they are the highest
evolved species in the universe, even though earth is just a speck of dust
spinning through space compared to all the other galaxies.
>>
Jon...
It really depends on which ET is viewing us.... maybe, just maybe, they are
looking down at our beautiful planet and see us working at rebuilding it,
getting more involved in doing the best we can with the resources we have.
They see exceptional people learning and growing with each experience they
have. They see half the population believing with an open-mind that maybe
they aren't the most evolved in the universe.
Of course that would be the optimistic ET, not your pessimistic one.....
Love you,
xxxtg
"The many truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."
-Ben Kenobi from "Return of the Jedi"
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:08:18 -0500 (EST)
From: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: HALE-BOPP TURNS TOWARD EARTH!!!
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Date: 97-04-01 09:06:09 EST
From: Teeegeee
To: voltronATnospamvoy.net
In a message dated 97-04-01 04:15:52 EST, you write:
<< SPINNERSVILLE, MICHIGAN--The attached photo, taken just after sunset on
>04-01-97 around 8:20 p.m., shows an extraordinary shot of the Hale-Bopp
Comet striking momentary terror into the hearts of citizens living along
>Lake Michigan not far from Traverse City>>
I may be reading this incorrectly here but I believe today is 4/1/97 and it's
only 9am in Florida. How was this taken at sunset in Michigan, where it is
only 8am?? am i missing something or whhhhaaaaattttt?
Oh I get it! April Fools!
xxxtg
"I can see clearly now, the brain is gone....."
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:00:25 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantra - newbie thought
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I have never officially been to a yoga class or seen a guru that "gave" me
a mantra. God gave me my voice as mantra. People often tell me I'm a
quiet person.
I have read a lot of books that mentioned mantras. Don't think that you
need an instructor to give you a mantra like most of these books say.
Never be afraid to experiment and follow your intuition.
The beauty of the spoken mantra is in the way it vibrates your body and
opens up your energy center or centers.
While the mantra is nice don't ever allow one form or technique to become a
crutch. I often find myself forgetting a technique for a period of time
and it becomes new again when I can use it to its full potential.
Thanks to everyone for all the insight on this wonderful time of year.
Blessings to all.
John Halonen
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:27:15 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantra - newbie thought
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Your posts always make me laugh and smile and at the same time
teach.
John Halonen
Mystress Angelique wrote:
> They try to send me thier negative attention, in hopes that I will
>respond in kind and punish them.
> But, I don't.
> Perhaps because I really am a bitch and frustrating their clumsy efforts
>to get my attention is waaaay more fun than blasting them and giving them
>what they want. Ah ha ha ha.
>
> But then, they don't usually post their courtship attempts on K. List.
> So you see it really is a friendly list....wierd as green oatmeal, but
>friendly...
> Blessings, Angelique.
>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:57:26 -0800 (PST)
From: " Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: lissetteATnospambridge.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Pamela_eATnospammsn.com
Subject: Re: Your question
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Lissette wrote:
>Hi Joe,
>I read your posting that said that one should not do reiki,tai chi or
>other methods while in a certain processes of kundalini. I went the
>other
>day to a Reiki circle, ......
>When I was there it
>felt strange, I felt a bit guilty that I was letting others touch my
>body, (meaning my head eyes, heart, and all the places where reiki is
>performed. I thought that it wasn't right
>that my energies to be mixed with people that I never met before. Even
>though I felt very peaceful and a pleasant sensation, during and after
>the process, I still had these doubts. Now reading your post I really
>want to know what is it
>that you read that interferes with the K energy,I don't want to do
>anything like that. Please would you expand that topic or tell me where
>to get more information...?
I really can't give you a book title off the top of my head. There are several
books on Reiki out there and one or two did mention the back flow issue I
mentioned earlier, but I don't recall which ones. That is not what you're
asking about here anyway.
The issue you are addressing is actually two fold: 1) when is OK to do Reiki,
tai chi, etc. and 2) other's energy interacting with yours, such as receiving
Reiki. My source on that is my teacher in India.
1) In general it is probably helpful to work with these energies if you have
not gotten Kundalini above the heart (higher in come cases). Most increases in
prana (ki, chi) will help to awaken K. so, for those who have not awakened the
Kundalini yet it can be very helpful. The same forces that awaken it will tend
to help make it go higher. In general: the more subtle the physical benefit,
the better it is for K., the more obvious the physical benefits the less
benefit for K.
2) Energy interaction is a very touchy subject and one I'd honestly rather stay
away from. Given the nature of the culture in the U.S. I fear it will result in
more flames aimed at me than at a member, who a couple of weeks ago returned,
with a note to the list that couldn't have inflamed things more if he'd
intended it to (I don't think that was his intent).
But since you asked...
(Note to anyone who is offended, gets ticked off, or just thinks I am nuts for
writing the following:
I didn't come up with this idea, it has been handed down through the centuries
in the Vedic traditions and is the unexplained basis of many religious
teachings. If you don't like it, don't agree with it, and don't plan to ever
practice it, I DON'T CARE! So, don't write me and explain how wrong I am. For
many many years, I didn't agree with it either. You won't come up with any
reasons I didn't. If you don't agree, ignore it! and get over it, whatever,
just don't bother me.)
Any energy exchange can be damaging to someone's spiritual development (read
that as raising K., which the measure of spiritual development in the tradition
I was taught by my living master). When energy is exchanged some small part of
the other person's samskaras may, and for most people will, "rub-off" on you
and you will have to deal with that as well as your own. (Sorry for possible
spelling errors there, don't have my Sanskrit dictionary at hand, just read it
phonetically.) The samskara exchange can cause conflicts within yourself,
increase tendencies in you, etc. Samskaras are the tendencies one develops by
one's actions and the tendencies that lead to actions, they follow from
lifetime to lifetime. Since they tend to result in actions, which would result
in karma, they can cause great misery.
The strongest energy exchange, hence the greatest samskara exchange is ...sex.
That is the lost explination as to why it is best for two moral virgins,
devoted to spiritual development, to marry and remain true to each other for
the rest of their lives. It is not some "cause I said so" power hungry church
that originally created that rule. For most of us, that chance is lost.
(Certain Tantric practices do appear to conflict with this but a true tantric
master can explain the how and why of the special exceptions and why they are
in agreement at the base level.)
Compared to sex with a stranger a Reiki session is very small potatos (or
potatoes if you like, both are in the dictionary on the shelf here). I attended
several Reiki circles between my 1st and 2nd degrees. It was good practice. I
too worried about the energy exchange. I didn't know most of the people. After
I got the 2nd degree I only gave Reiki, I never let others do it to me. (And I
did take steps to guard against backflow.) Reiki feels good but so does working
out (good for you), getting drunk (not good for you)... How much it's worth to
you only you can say. My decision was clear, I have only two real goals in
life (all other goals and desires are in support of those or they are totally
expendable), one is enlightment in this lifetime.
Once a week I get a massage. But she always uses oil, which as I mentioned in
my earlier can stop the backflow problem, and since this is not a process that
is for the intentional exchange of energy, other than the energy going into the
massage itself, any real energy exchange is at the level of a backflow.
I've gone on a bit longer than I expected. If this is not clear, drop me a
note. I'll try to be clearer next time.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:58:00 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?]
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:23:56 -0800
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To: Jon Locke <voltronATnospamvoy.net>
Subject: Re: Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?
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Jon Locke wrote:
> Is There Intelligent Life On Earth?
Is there intelligent life in the skies?
Making ridiculous promises to gullible humans
Molesting innocent wheat
Removing cattle bits
Abducting people for no good reason
> I was wondering tonight how ETs view us. They look down and see a beautiful
> planet which we are destroying. They see exceptional people throwing their
> life away. They see half of the population believing they are the highest
> evolved species in the universe, even though earth is just a speck of dust
> spinning through space compared to all the other galaxies.
All ET's are more than welcome to come for tea to discuss these points.
Until then
the speck of dust spins
and we carry on with what we can change
- ourselves.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (terrestial life form)
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* A R C Tantric Transmission
Kundalini Psychosis
Esoteric Satanism Cyber Guru
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/place/vv60/
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:30:18 -0600 (CST)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Mantra Ray
Message-Id: <199704011730.LAA09789ATnospamdfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
John Halonen wrote:
>
>I have never officially been to a yoga class or seen a guru that
>"gave" me a mantra. Don't think that you need an instructor to give
>you a mantra like most of these books say.
>
Agreed, John and have posted numerous times piecemeal about that
opinion. Having the (dis)advantage of no 'formal' training in yoga,
meditation, etc. I am repeatedly surprised to find when I 'learn' about
some form of yoga or meditation that it is an imitation of one of the
experiences that I have gone through spontaneously; without guru or
training. I have more than a sneaking suspicion that ALL of the
'training' involved in 'learning' various yogas, and meditations is
simply a sympathetic-magic attempt to cause an awakening.
That is, someone is spontaneously awakened and in the process goes
naturally and spontaneously through various symptoms: pranayoga,
mantrayoga, kriyayoga, etc., etc. Then by the sympathetic-magic
reasoning believes that by duplicating the effects of that awakening by
'teaching' others to mimic these symptoms that those 'pupils' will go
through the awakening. This reasoning is not new (i.e., if you have a
cold and are chilled, having a chilly wind blow on you, thereby
duplicating the symptoms; will give you a cold) and is often
fallacious.
The kicker is that many of these symptomatic behaviors DO produce
beneficient results in people, cf. the positive effect in reducing
stress, blood-pressure, etc. with almost ALL forms of meditation. So
there can be benefits to these practices, too.
An interesting note is that there are many 'systems' and within
each, a dogma (i.e., in the U.S. the 7-chakra concept is almost
dogmatic whereas in India there are MANY other chakra-systems with the
8-chakra variety probably more followed than the 7-chakra one (an
additional chakra is in the mouth, with its own seed-mantra etc.,
etc.)) Within each of these systems that recognize shaktipat, there is
a dogmatic 'path' for the 'descent' of the 'energy' and subsequent
'awakening'. Each is different from the other and yet the adherents
most often experience only that which is expected within their system.
Those that go through spontaneous awakening (i.e., without
provocation and most often without or even in spite of a guru), in
contrast, experience pieces and parts from many 'systems', most often
not even being aware that descriptions of the symptoms they are going
through exist.
>
>The beauty of the spoken mantra is in the way it vibrates your body
>and opens up your energy center or centers.
>
In regards to vibration, when I heard the Gyoto Tibetan monks doing
their multi-octave chanting I realized that it was a fairly accurate
duplication of the whole-body vibration I experienced during my
original spontaneous awakening experience. I believe it is their
attempt to duplicate that bodily sensation that occurs in at least one
type of genuine awakening with which I am familiar.
Although I am familiar with the sensation/sound, it didn't
duplicate the experience in me, in fact, after a short while I found it
irritating; whereas the original experience was terrifyingly blissful
for nearly 2 hours.
Just some opinions,
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:55:58 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #125
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>You wrote: It's never happened to me, at least so far (and I'm an
>empath, perhaps logically more susceptible than some). Reiki is
>actually self-grounding, but if grounding makes you feel
>> more "secure," then certainly no harm done.
>
>I agree, I took Reiki specifically to help me stay at a distance and
>grounded.. Its much easier when your an Empath to use Reiki. One of the
>experiences that led me to it was picking up the emotional trauma of
>someone I was working on. It took me a couple of hours to get free of
>it...
Yes, Reiki heals the healer as well. That's something a lot of people don't
realize (although my teachers taught me that from the first).
I've also been reading some notes saying Reiki somehow interferes with k.
awakening--nothing could be further from the truth. I've used it
successfully, in fact, to help with difficult awakenings. It will even out
the uneven flow of Reiki, helping to dissolve blocks and bring the system
back to balance. Two such people have told me that it smooths out the
process so nicely, they have all the "goodies" with few of the discomforts
that sometimes arise. I wonder if people mistake the absence of shakes,
tremors, etc., for meaning there's nothing going on at all? It is--but
quietly and harmoniously.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:56:55 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Merkaba
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For those of you who haven't aready found it
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2877/merkaba.html
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:36:37 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: <<<<<Mantra Ray
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Hi Dan-RF,
Interesting comments on 'sympathetic-magic'. Reminds me of the
placebo concept. But placebos _do_ work! (as long as we believe in
them) Seems like people need to believe in something external
to themselves, even though the great ones tell us over and
over 'YOUR faith has healed you'.
Talking about sounds and mantras makes me wonder:
have you heard the deep sounding bell used in zen temples, the
one that sits on a cushion and is about two feet in diameter?
I wonder if it echoes any experience for you?
Sometimes I think it is used
because it is like a 'picture' of how the mind expands when it is
released from the body, like the bell suddenly struck and then
radiating out and out and out into space? The people who had had
this experience originally, maybe recognized its analog in the
bell sound and thus adopted the bell as a reminder and aid
in the Pavlovian conditioning required to enable one to
stabilize the body in the delicate state of samadhi???
anyway, this is not to 'explain it all away', I hope, it is still
wonderful that such expedient means like mantras, bells, chanting,
incense, all the 'bells and smells' are available and have been
so carefully designed and handed down to us by those who genuinely
wish the best for us. It is a temptation for a westerner like me
to reduce everything to 'merely' placebos or 'merely' this
or that scientific explanation.
Sophisitication is the death of experience.
ramblingly,
Peter
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:56:40 -0500 (EST)
From: VidentATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Metaphysical Wedding Ceremony?
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I have a friend who requested I asked for help via the net for finding a
metaphysical wedding ceremony for him and his intended. They're getting
married May 17th. He had first asked me to find out where he could get a
wizard and a faerie suitable for the top of the cake. When I refused to go
to the net with that request he made me promise I'd ask you guys for the
ceremony. Any suggestions?
Love,
Susan
P.S. It's been weeks since I've run with scissors!
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:02:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Cameron <purenrgATnospamgoodnet.com>
To: Jon Locke <voltronATnospamvoy.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hrm...very, very interesting.
Especially in light of the dream I had last night.
Wanna hear about it?
K then... :)
I was watching the comet with a friend
outside some home that I had never been to.
The tail of the comet started to bend
left, right, back forth.
Then the comet started shooting
all around the sky
in a magnificant display of light.
I sat down and meditated on the significance of the event
and heard a voice telling me the time was now...
Time for what, I don't quite recall.
Ascension, perhaps.
An incredibly powerful feeling of love
and peace washed over me.
I could feel the presence of other beings within
or around me.
I then got up and started telling my friend
how wonderful this was.
I was running around the yard,
completly filled with joy.
My friend, she was pretty calm about the whole thing.
There were some dream-shifts and I was somewhere else.
Watching a comet-like object descend towards the earth.
But it was more of a landing than a crash.
Then government agents with large guns
were about to board the "vessle" that landed.
I stood in their way and asked them why they feared.
Told them the beings came in peace,
yet we meet them with guns.
This calmed their hostility,
but they boarded with their guns anyway.
They didn't shoot though.
The humaniods who came out spoke
a language that sounded like gibberish
and were nude.
Any Freudian analysts out there? ;-)
in Love,
Cameron
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purenrgATnospamgoodnet.com | but as shadows; they pass & are done;
A really great home page: | but there is that which remains."
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 13:05:23 -0800
From: "Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer" <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Placebo
Message-ID: <33417893.2940ATnospamix.netcom.com>
Yes, indeedly-doodly Peter! The placebo effect DOES work. Too well in
fact. Here at Gilead Sciences we pay a herd of medical statisticians to
do one major task; get rid of the placebo effect from our clinical
trials so we can demonstrate statistical significance in the efficacy of
our drugs.
Yes, Virginia there is a job for you if you get a mathematics degree
that DOESN"T require you to say, "Will you have fries with that
burger?"
The placebo effect is also weeded out by the double-blind study where
neither the doctor nor the patient know which is the real drug and which
is the placebo. That STILL doesn't get rid of it as simply taking
ANYTHING is beneficial to some people in some cases. I have often
thought that doctors miss the boat by calling their trade an 'art'.
There ought to be a recognition of 'collaborative science', wherein the
active belief system of the subject is a mathematically calculable
quantity ..... but, then how would you separate it from psychiatry,
tarot reading and phrenology?
Never heard one of the zen-bells of which you speak - would like to
hear one. As far as duplicating things and reexperiencing, I do have one
odd one to relate. I had just gotten back from the bathroom in the
middle of the night, climbed into bed, rolled over on my right side,
threw my left leg & knee up onto a long pillow I keep at the edge of my
waterbed, when my spontaneous awakening began. To this day, when I get
my body and extremities very nearly in that position, the body-shaking
vibrations start as from the first time.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
"What the world needs is a really effective placebo, something colorful,
noisy, awful tasting and VERY painful; would probably cure damn near
every ill known to man!"
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