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kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #131


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 131

Today's Topics:
  Re: staying in balance
  Don't believe a word . . .
  Re: GOD, love and iguanas
  Re: Terry and the light thing
  Re: staying in balance - a few answers from yogi Tom
  avoiding main issue
  Re: Mantra
  Re: Mantra - newbie thought
  K and Strange Bedfellows
  Re: staying in balance
  Re: Mantra - newbie thought
  <<<<<Huitzilihuitl Synchronicity
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:09:48 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: staying in balance
Message-Id: <199703300509.XAA25059ATnospamdfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>

I'll repeat myself a little in order to get my 2-bits in: I am a
middle aged woman, in whom K awakened spontaneously, in monogamous love
with a middle aged secular humanist, and find frequently that sex
replicates the experience of making love with God that characterized
the k-opening. No visualization, no chanting, no conscious
manipulation of the experience at all -- just a magnificent gift to me
and my partner (he is totally accepting of my experience though he
isn't inclined in a spiritual way himself; he does confess that sex
with us is "unusual!"). To me, therefore, tantric sex is something one
finds oneself in, rather than goes after. The Jews (as we are) call it
Oneg Shabbat. Holly
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 08:10:33 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Don't believe a word . . .
Message-ID: <333E9079.7C39ATnospamdial.pipex.com>

Many people think they can buy their way into heaven; can trade for
higher consciousness. It is however knowledge itself which is the
bestowed - complete in itself it has no need of anything we may have to
offer. As a person develops they take on this attribute of bestowal; as
does a system. It therefore is not a product but a gift. It however can
only be given to those who do not try to buy it . . .

 A great deal of time would be needed to redirect peoples supposed
interest to their real needs. It is for this reason that real guides
often provides people with other outlets for their true motivations
allowing them to be involved in activity according to their true not
supposed motivation.
 People in every activity are inefficient because they are not extending
the qualities that the activity needs. Their motivations are elsewhere.
When applied to supposed spiritual activities we have the circus of
attention seekers or givers or other unfulfilled people looking for
inappropriate stimulation and labeling it, "the search for truth".

 A true seeker values truth so highly that it can be extracted wherever
it is. A road sign at the end of the road says, "Give Way". This may be
considered a sublime truth, it is however unnecessary to worship this
sign. Falsity attracts its own level as does Truth. Spurious teachers
provide a function and increase the value of the rarer genuine article.
 Formal teaching has many inherent dangers and most genuine people are
reluctant to do so until divinely called. This is the reverse of most
situations were people who have hardly begun their journey are quick to
offer teachings.

 Adulteration is the result of premature adoption. The authentic
verification of the divine imperative is from personal interaction with
the representatives. The spiritual hierarchy is organised and visible
through merit.
 The Rabbi tells the child that, "God is one", and the child asks, "when
will he be two?"
 So also must people grow up to a higher understanding, the
responsibility of "Rabbis" is also to bear in mind the condition of the
hearers. The teaching does not come for verification but is there as an
expression of Truth. We must preserve and concentrate this Truth, not
dilute it so that its effect is dispersed but weakened.
 

Most Kind Regards
Lobster (accepting
all would be students as Gurus
and vice versa)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 07:07:41 -0800
From: Joe Patrick Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: GOD, love and iguanas
Message-Id: <333E81BD.7FDBATnospamflarity.com>

Jon Locke wrote:
>
> GOD IS LOVE
snip

> So many of you are waiting on the Ascension; and it would be a
> simple matter for us to save one or two of you. But the object is to save
> every last person on earth. The stakes are higher than they have ever been
> before.

Can I take my dogs and cows? The cows are still disappointed the
Federation didn't rescue them, but they are greatly relieved they had
the foresight to instruct me to buy more hay. Like a jilted lover, the
lead cow stands on a knoll and beckons me for answers.

And my son's iguana (Iris) would not fare well 4000 miles above her home
without kiwis and strawberries and me to pay the electric bill.

Perhaps I will stay with the earth and keep the worms company. We have
been together so long.
>

snip
> Even if they must go through the shedding of the physical body and go through the
> resurrection, they will make it. This model is being used as an example to
> these extraterrestrial races to take back to their home planet and apply it
> there.

If the ET's would review our history (especially W.W.II) they would get
many examples of efficient ways to 'shed' the physical body. The mass
resurrection part may be a tad more difficult--especially with those who
have no desire for ascension and resurrection.
I do not condone the enactment of coerced resurrection. Perhaps we
should just let each soul find their own way. Wouldn't that be a lot
more meaningful?
 
The critical mass of God-Realization has been reached. You have been
> saved.
>

I do not, at this moment, feel lost, but thank you anyway.

Love, (something we share)

Joe
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:24:15 -0500 (EST)
From: FK3000ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Terry and the light thing
Message-ID: <970330112414_-1269581785ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>

Funny, mine is with computers and refrigedators.
Computers start getting frozen and activate sounds; and with refrigerators
they start doing this wired sound (like whanting to explode)

Fanny
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:58:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Akasha <thauglaATnospamonline.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: staying in balance - a few answers from yogi Tom
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At 19:24 29.03.97 +0000, you wrote:
Thanks for the insights Tom and BTW: I too think it's great that you are
being open about your experiences, but we must bear in mind that we all have
different paths(or at least aproaches) and while being open for some might
feel right, it could be disasterous for others.

>especially on brahmacharya where i seem
>>to be the list expert !

As for your statement here, I can only say that there is a danger that
manifests itself in all terapeutic roles, when the teacher is too sure about
what he is teaching(I am not saying that you are!) and often (as in your
case) the teacher is himself ultimately a student of his own teaching.
Lobster spoke, in my opinion, wise words when saying that he accepted "all
would be students as Gurus and vice versa".
 When a teacher/guru is asking the rhetorical question of " what might you
learn out of this?" he is really asking what he, himself can learn and tries
to make the student see the world from that angle. People are after all
different and more complex than we will ever know. Imagine for a second a
zebra diagnosing a giraffe(if that's the correct word); the zebra will say
that the giraffe is sick because he have spots all over him. Lame example,
but anyway, it shows my point.
I'd like to quote Rob from the ixtlan mailing list:
>Other non-joiners, like myself, will remain with the knowledge
>that any true path is ultimately a solo journey. Mimicking
>someone else's path only goes so far.
Just some thoughts...

I am not saying this to haul you down(sorry if feeling attacked), but to let
people think for themselves because often they have the answers within them
already; as in the case of Joe here(quote): "So I follow the wisdom of my
own soul. I make love when she tells me it's all right, I masturbate when
pointed that way and I occasionally
have wet dreams--all spokes in a giant wheel pointed toward the center."
Just some thoughts...

>>"Spiritual development needs a balance between ecstacy and pain."
>>>-Klaus Gorm
>>
>>what is this - spiritual sado-masochism ? if you do it right, there
>>should be very little pain at all. yoga is the path of least resistance
>>and cleansing, not burning, fire.

 Gorm wasn't talking about spritual sadomasochism ;), but the necessity of
facing the "pain"( either from this or earlier incarnations) or Karma as you
might refer to it.

And thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.
Akasha from India with (((love)))

-What we need is a sense of humour!
anonomyous
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:58:58 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Akasha <thauglaATnospamonline.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: avoiding main issue
Message-Id: <199703301758.TAA03792ATnospamonline.no>
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Some have complained why there fewer postings and that some seem to have
stopped posting...
I reckon much of the reason to why there are fewer post is that we are
somewhat avoiding the main issue here: *Kundalini*
Anyway, there could be numerous other reasons, as a friend of mine put it:
"There is a time to strengthen oneself for what there is to come, to tackle
ones changes along the path". She wasn't necessarily talking about an
ascension of any kind other than that on a personal level.

Any suggestions fair people of the Kundalini-list?

Akasha :")
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:38:09 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantra
Message-ID: <970330133808_1485312888ATnospamemout13.mail.aol.com>

I first learned to energize my chakras with mantra, and occasionally find a
new one that will boost my energetic system for awhile. The mantras seems to
come and go with usefulness, sometimes being a help, other times not doing
much of anything, the trick is to know when to use what mantra, and for me,
my intuition and fate are the only clues I ever get. I prefere to use
mantras that are non-song oriented, but this could be just my preference. I
found that song mantras concentrate so much on the song that I don't pay
attention to the reactions in my energetic system. My feelings are that
mantras, when the time is right, and they are chanted correctly, should be
felt in the energetic body. It may take alittle time to build up the energy,
or to clear the related energy passages, but a mantra should pump energy from
one place to another. The bija mantras are good for starters. "Lam" for
first chakra, "vam" for second, "ram" for navel, "eeeyang" for heart, "ham"
for throat, "aum" for third eye and "om" for crown. Say the mantra once on
each exhail watching for the energy in your body. Study the way your mouth
says the mantra and the way you breath to say it. The more natural it feels,
most likely, the better your doing it. Also play with volume, sometimes
you'll want to shout it, other times you'll want to wisper it, whatever you
need at the time.

anyway the bija mantras are the ones you should start with. If your drawn to
song mantras I suggest the hare krishna chant. It's designed to activate the
bones in the spinal column, or so I've heard.

Remember, the mantra is only good for you if your ready for it, so try them,
maybe one a day till you find the one that you respond to the most then work
with it till you feel you need to change.

Aaron
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:33:17 +0000
From: "Slug" <friekATnospambeer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantra - newbie thought
Message-Id: <199703301931.OAA06310ATnospammagicnet.magicnet.net>

kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com panted "At 13:38, I totally forgot what Re: Mantra meant!"

> much of anything, the trick is to know when to use what mantra, and for me,
> my intuition and fate are the only clues I ever get. I prefere to use
> mantras that are non-song oriented, but this could be just my preference. I
> found that song mantras concentrate so much on the song that I don't pay

I have had problems with this as well... but more generally
simply with mantras consisting of words. I've been a self-made Zen
Buddhist for a while now and just recently started exploring tantric
meditation and yoga. For me, it helps in "normal" meditations to
have mantras that appeal to pieces of me that are not normally as
active as the aural aspect of me. I usually start with my fiance, my
God, as an image in my head and concentrate on that until she fades
into colors, shapes, sounds, whatever...they key is just letting it
happen, which I believe to be the purpose of meditation in the first
place.

> one place to another. The bija mantras are good for starters. "Lam" for
> first chakra, "vam" for second, "ram" for navel, "eeeyang" for heart, "ham"
> for throat, "aum" for third eye and "om" for crown. Say the mantra once on

See, now this is the stuff I need to learn. I have not yet felt a
specific chakra, although I daresay I have felt the energy...just not
in a concentrated form. And that is why I am here.

> most likely, the better your doing it. Also play with volume, sometimes
> you'll want to shout it, other times you'll want to wisper it, whatever you
> need at the time.

Once more, it's probably just my background, but why even bother
actually orating the mantra?
 
Erik
--friekATnospambeer.com
--http://www.magicnet.net/~slug

 
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Thought for the day:
    Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human
    intelligence for long enough to get money from it.
    -- Stephen Leacock.
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:48:18 -0800
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: K and Strange Bedfellows
Message-ID: <333ED192.20D9C846ATnospamsirius.com>

I've been following the recent discussions of K, sex and celibacy and
then lo and behold this fine Easter morning I happened to find a really
interesting interview in a rock music magazine called BAM. This was an
interview with: Pamela Des Barres.

Yes. *That* Pamela Des Barres. I shall explain. For those who don't know
who she is, Ms. Des Barres may well be rock music's most famous former
groupie (those days are behind her). Her autobiography _I'm With the
Band_ caused quite a stir a few years ago, recounting her affairs with
Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Keith Moon et al. Now, the reason I'm posting
this to the K list (yes, there is a reason) is that the interview goes on
to describe how after writing a couple of other books she is now working
on a book titled, _Soul Serenade: A Tale of God-Lust_. The book is about
'the spritual things people go through and how they get there'.

She goes on to briefly describe her spritual path: born-again Christian
from the age of 8, Pentecostal grandfather, Youth for Christ meetings,
studying the work of Krishnamurti and Gurdjieff. Now, this is where it
gets interesting, because then she says 'There was this ridiculously
profound experience I had almost three years ago where I had the rapture.
I did the whole St. Theresa thing and heard the angels singing and all
that.' Now I certainly won't say that this _was_ a kundalini experience,
but it sounds pretty good to me. And my point (and I do have one, as
comic Ellen DeGeneris would say) is that it seems to me that sexuality
and K can combine in as many unique ways as there are people to
experience them. I think your deep self or spiritual intuition will guide
you to the sexual expression that's best for you at that time.

Paul
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:13:45
From: Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: staying in balance
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At 19:42 29/03/97 +0000, Tom Aston wrote:
>i'm afraid not in my humble opinion.

But in fact I think we do agree, Tom, and you said so yourself:

>and yes, in a
>very specific context and after a careful preparation which may last
>years, one may well break the conventional rules of the day as regards
>sexual attitudes, manners etc.

If you will indulge me for a moment, I know what I am trying to express
is perhaps better said in poetry or song, and as Donovan sang: 'it's just one
man's opinion of moonlight', but I have been called naive before, so I won't
be offended by whatever you want to express in reply.

Because at the deepest level of understanding we humans do agree. In my
example I was talking of this level of understanding and you acknowledged it
does exist but went on to say (in effect) many people have misunderstood
the message. Perhaps you are right, Freudians would wonder why you are
angry at this misunderstanding, but that is not the point I am after here.

Let me give you an example from my own life. I have been celibate for 17
years, not because I want to be, but it just seems that is what is
happening at the moment. Now I think after listening to your experiences,
maybe I should see where chastity will take me, and I vow to try it.
Darn if life doesn't throw me a curve, as usual, and the most intelligent,
beautiful, loving woman comes into my life. Now, do I consider this a
test of my resolve, or do I take this as a sign that I should be open to all experiences?

Well, it really doesn't matter which I decide, because both are right choices.
In any event whatever lessons my soul requires will find me. We are all
evolving in our own way.

Now if you tell the masses that there are no wrong choices only right choices,
you can see the chaos that would result. With knowledge, must love, wisdom
and understanding walk the same path. As one's cup of wisdom is filled, so is
his responsibility to act wisely.

This, in my opinion, is why the masters of this understanding tend to speak
in parables and generalities. One is responsible for his actions,
and knowledge must only come with wisdom and love. There is more than a double entendre, then, to his message, as he must speak to those with much wisdom as well as those with little wisdom; those who know how to act responsibly, and those who
dont.

The man we know as Jesus, however, took his responsibility to the limit, by
openly expressing this truth of one-ness, saying that each man could be the
same as he, could become one with God the Father, as he put it.
Well, of course, this message put him on a collision course with those
believing in secular authority, because we can't have ordinary people
deciding what's best for them. They saw only the part of the message they understood. So Jesus made the most profound statement he could,
he gave up his life for what he believed in.

So if we can find the right words to express our deepest feelings, we
would all be talking the same language, because this is the place we share
as humans with each other, and, therefore, with God.

Happy Easter,
ed.
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:13:20
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantra - newbie thought
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At 14:33 30/03/97 +0000, Erik wrote:

>See, now this is the stuff I need to learn. I have not yet felt a
>specific chakra, although I daresay I have felt the energy...just not
>in a concentrated form. And that is why I am here.

Aaron wrote:
>
>> most likely, the better your doing it. Also play with volume, sometimes
>> you'll want to shout it, other times you'll want to wisper it, whatever you
>> need at the time.
>
>Once more, it's probably just my background, but why even bother
>actually orating the mantra?
>
>Erik
>--friekATnospambeer.com
>--http://www.magicnet.net/~slug
>
  At the Harmonic convergence (waaay back) I heard a tibetan bell for the
first time.
There was a public celebration that I went to that included a 5 minute
meditation on this wonderful continuous resonant tone from the wand
circling the edge of the bell bowl. it resonated with a tone I had been
hearing in my own head that I had learned to associate with my personal
vibration.
  Having it so wonderfully externalized was quite different, and as I sank
into the tone I could feel it cleansing and adjusting my whole being.

  Your body is responsive and conductive to the vibrations of sound.
Creating the mantra sounds physically creates a physical resonance in your
very bones.
Internal sound does not vibrate your being in the same way.
  Creating sound also necessitates greater attention on breathing correctly.
  Physicalizing the energy into sound amplifies the physical result of the
sound energy.
  Imagine a silent karate match? No.
  Have you ever experienced how your heartbeat will try to match the
perfect heartbeat of loud dance music?
  Channelling my little grey alien friend, I learned to make a sound that
is such a physical force it knocked my big human friend over with it's
blast. It was not a very loud sound, but wow! Powerful.
  So, there are some reasons....
 Blessings, Angelique.
  
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 17:45:09 -0800
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Huitzilihuitl Synchronicity
Message-ID: <333F1725.1862ATnospamix.netcom.com>

Helloooo k-ites,
 The 'storm of synchronicities' is a common theme surrounding those
going through a spontaneous kundalini awakening; I am no exception.
Although, I think 'synchronicities' may sometimes be where you find them
and sometime where you make them.
 Recently a bit of imagery came to me that I posted to the list. In the
imagery were a number of colorfully constructed familiar subjects and at
least one no-so-familiar references. One of these was to an alternate
interpretation of Quetzalcoatl in the vision as "Huitlzhuitl".
 This particular reference was puzzling and consultation with several
published works and searches on the Internet brought only questionably
analogous names/words. Then yesterday, Karen was hopping excitedly from
one foot to the other demanding that we go to Barnes & Noble Booksellers
as the text on the taxonomy of the Rhopalocera of the Bulolo-Wau Valley
in Papua-New Guinea that she had special-ordered had arrived and was
available at the will-call desk.
 On entering the store she ran excitedly off to the will-call desk and I
(cheap bibliophile that I am) headed for the 'bargain-book' racks. Once
there I wandered up and down the aisles until suddenly a little purple
and orange book caught my eye. The title tickled my fancy; This Tree
Grows Out of Hell. On picking it up, I laughed delightedly at the name
of the author; Ptolemy Tompkins ... is that a GREAT name or WHAT!
 Not sure what the slim (and attractively priced; $3.98) volume was
about, I opened it ... it dropped open naturally at page 101 and my eyes
went to the middle of the page and .... you peeked! shoot, I wanted it
to be a surprise ... yup, there in the middle of the page was the name
Huitzlilihuitl.
 I thumbed back to the index and there is only one page in this 185-page
book on which that name occurs. There were several other fat texts on
Mesoamerica, Mayans, Aztecs etc. in the vicinity and a check of their
indices showed NO reference to Huitzlihuitl ... the ONLY reference I
could find in Barnes & Noble was in that one little book with the title
that gave no clue that it was about Aztecs ... surprising synchronicity
or synchronicity only in hindsight .... you be the judge ... I will say
yes ... makes ones life seem special and purposeful and directed to
notice and classify these little events as synchronicitous, don't ya
think?
 OK, who or what was Huitzlihuitl, I can hear some asking (and others
going, harumph, who gives a flyin' whoop!). Personally, I found this
little book VERY interesting as there were a number of things in it
(actually almost everything) that I didn't know about the middle
American Indian cultures; for example, when the conquistadores arrived,
most Mayan cities had already been abandoned for over five hundred
years!
 A brief synopsis of the history. The Toltec civilization had collapsed
along with its major cities (i.e., Tula, Teotihuacan). Lake Tezcoco's
(which no longer exists and is currently the site of of Mexico City)
fertile environs, Anahuac (By the Waters), received migrations of
several tribes from the northern Mexican desert belonging to a Chichimec
Indian group who claimed to have emerged in their mythical past from
Aztalan (Place of Seven Caves) hence; Aztecs. They learned the urban
agriculturist ways of and intermingle with the remaining Toltecs of the
area.
 Arriving earlier, several groups set up cities and farmed the choice
spots around Lake Tezcoco on the northern, eastern, and southern shores.
The last Aztec tribe to arrive at Anahuac was the Mexica (named for
Mecitli, the ominous Aztec Mother Earth). They were few in number,
ignorant of farming techniques; which would have been of little use as
the viable agricultural land had already been claimed. They settled on
Lake Tezcoco's western shore near a natural landmark; the Rock of
Chapultepec.
 An astonishingly arrogant bunch, they immediately set upon their much
larger, better-established neighbors, audaciously raiding their food and
weapon supplies and dragging off their women in order to more rapidly
increase their numbers. This went on for thirty years as they grew and
learned to get sustenance from the fauna and flora of Lake Tezcoco's
rich waters.
 Finally, the haughty Northern and Southern Aztec neighbors decided to
no longer put up with the Mexica Aztec's persistent harrassment and,
banding together, attacked them and decimated their numbers over night.
 The heavily-Toltec-influenced city of Culhuacan to the South was
instrumental in this attack and succeeded in capturing the Mexica's
leader, HUITZLIHUITL, his wife and their children and dragging them back
to their city.
 There, they were subjected to the ultimate humiliation known to the
Aztecs; being sacrificed naked -- an insult more offensive than the act
of sacrifice which had become commonplace in the burgeoning world of
Anahuac.
 Mexica legend said that during the time they were desert-dwellers to
the North, they were followers of an earth-goddess, Mecitli, who had the
character and skills of a shaman-sorceress. Her brother Huitzilopochtli
(HUMMINGBIRD OF THE SOUTH) disapproved of her and, taking the Mexica
people under his wing, convinced them to abandon her in the deserts and
follow him South into the world of Anahuac.
 The Mexica's audacious behavior at Chapultepec had largely been the
doing of Huitzilopochtli. Through his priestly mouthpieces he had
badgered the Mexica to be quick about establishing themselves in a
stationary place so that they might build a temple to him and from that
station set about conquering all the world in his name. Huitzilopochtli
was the son of another earth goddess, Coatlique, who had given birth to
him fully armed and ready for warfare.
  Why a hummingbird as a symbol of a war god? The symbolism had pre-
  dated the Mexica/Aztecs. They had long noticed the bird's spectacular
  plumage, ferocious defense of its territory, speed and agility, but
  there are in Mexico several species that hibernate during the winter.
  It was this apparent ability to die and be reborn that was the crux
  of the warrior cult; that an Aztec warrior killed in battle or
  sacrifice in the name of Huitzilopochtli could expect resurrection in
  the Warrior God's Heaven!
 Huitzilpochtli's wooden idol had been taken from the Mexica by the
Culhuacan in the massacre at Chaputepec. Later, when relations warmed,
they gave it back to the Mexica (far greater accord was granted captured
gods than captured royalty). Overjoyed at getting their Hummingbird War
God back they immediately erected a temple and when it was ready invited
the Cuhualca for the opening ceremony sacrifices.
 Althought the Cuhualca engaged in human sacrifice to their adopted
Toltec Quezalcoatl, they were appalled at the crazed frenzy and
satisfaction the Mexica displayed at this ceremony. The Cuhualca
discussed what this meant to their future and determined that the Mexica
were a dangerous and offensive band of lunatics and set upon them with
clubs and spears.
 The Mexica dashed helter-skelter into the waters of Lake Tezcoco and
having no warning carried away little in the way of supplies, but they
managed to get their all-important idol of Huitzilopochtli. The
survivors of this rout swam out toward the marshy bog where a previous
band of Mexica had set up housekeeping after the first massacre. Near
lay the small inhospitable island called Tenochtitlan, because numerous
tenochtli cacti grew there. The fruit of the tenochtli cactus is red and
is roughtly the size and shape of the human heart.
 According to the legend Huitzilopochtli let his subjects know that they
had at last found the spot where he wished his city to be built by
placing on one of these cacti an eagle with a writhing serpent grasped
in its beak - an image that became the symbol both of human sacrifice
and the uncontested supremacy of its Mexica practitioners and which
survives to this day as the national seal of Mexico.
 This is just the highlights, I recommend reading the book for the
details of the author's thesis that the Aztec and Mayan civilization
fell because of shamanistic origins forgotten and perverted until the
original mystical underpinnings were lost in an orgy of death, war, and
human sacrifice.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF

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