1997/03/25 19:23
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #122
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 122
Today's Topics:
<<<<<Hatha Yoga
Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Re: Hatha Yoga
RE: Moon trip/mailing list
Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
the dan contingency
Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Transmuting Sexual Energy
Re: Meditational Music
Re: Moon trip/mailing list
Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Anyone done stuff with SRF?
Re: Hatha Yoga
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:15:01 -0600 (CST)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Hatha Yoga
Message-Id: <199703252315.RAA19281ATnospamdfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>Please do not dismiss Hatha Yoga too lightly
>Hatha Yoga is part of Tantra and is a complete path
>in itself.A good yoga teacher video (not a celebrity one)
>- get a yoga teachers advice - can be very good.
>
Hi k-ites,
Just HAVE to reply. The more I think about it the more it SEEMS
that there have been a lot of unusual influences in my life and the
lives of those around me. It may just be 20-20 hindsight, but for a
farmboy from the hinterlands of Wisconsin there are a lot of odd ducks
quacking in the background =-).
Anyway, to add to this one. Guess who was my mother-in-law's and
wife's Hathayoga teacher? Kathleen Hitchcock. Guess what else, her
husband is a chiropractor and yup, he treated both of the ladies in my
life - I think he was into adding acupuncture/ ayurveda/ etc. before
'alternative medicine' was even heard of. I think I have seen Kathleen
doing Hathayoga on TV and her books on the subject as long as Captain
Kangaroo has been around.
BTW Hatha is NOT pronounced Hah-Thah ... the 'th' in the spelling
indicates the aspirated Devanagari consonant that Americans naturally
make when they say the 't' in the word 'ten' hence; Hah-Tah-Yoh-Guh is
a REAL close transliteration. Just a pet peeve.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF
(I WILL stop posting soon ... I promise ... really .... =-) Just watch
for the <<<<< sign in the subject line and hit delete when you can't
take any more.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:17:22 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Message-ID: <970325181632_586241096ATnospamemout09.mail.aol.com>
I'd like to start by appologizing for doing another Dan's post related post,
and also to appologize in advance for my grave lack of knowledge on the
subject, this post isn't really about Dan's experience, it's about the K list
and it's flamin flame problem.
Dan, thank you for clarifying for us, and thank you for sticking it to all
those posts, as the guy who innocently mentioned a nutmeg experience, I
understand what it's like to check your email and find 40 some odd letters
about your minor little post. I know I've written far better things than
that nutmeg post, but people seem to grab onto certain topics and hold on
till their hands bleed. Why didn't I get 40 posts for advice I've given, or
40 posts on the most effective breathing techniques. I find this list to be
a constant flux. Half the time it's well thought out, very helpful wisdom,
or help to a freind in need, and other times it's full of flames about who
deserves enlightenment, why your opinion is wrong, or worst of all...
misinformed accusations. To be honest, I haven't been reading alot of the
RE:'s to "Dan's post" because they seemed harsh and uncalled for. If there
is a select group of 8 or so more advance people or not, I haven't a clue
(perhaps that's how all the chaos got stirred up, maybe you should have
worded that softer).
Anywho, just a post from one who has gotten burned to another who feels
burned. Although this list is nice, it does have teeth, and I am hereby
ready for the 40 flames I am about to recieve, you can be assured I'll delete
them and go have some ice cream while enjoying the woods behind our house.
Lots of Smiles
Toodle Ooo :)
Aaron
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:39:39 -0400
From: oobeATnospamnbnet.nb.ca (oobe)
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hatha Yoga
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E Jason wrote:
>
> Peggy Freeman wrote:
>
> > I've been investigating a few of the various Yoga traditions taught here in
> > the West, for meditation (and possibly hatha yoga instruction). I seem to
> > keep coming back to two organizations: the Self Realization Fellowship, and
> > the Ananda Church. They are both based on the teachings of Paramahansa
> > Yogananda and Kriya Yoga. Anyway, anybody have any experiences with these
> > teachings/meditation techniques?
>
> Please do not dismiss Hatha Yoga to lightly
> Hatha Yoga is part of Tantra and is a complete path
> in itself.
> It is a meditation and a way of life.
> Yoga means Union - Ha tha are the combining of sun
> and moon or left right brains.
> I would recommend gentle and regular Hatha Yoga
> to everyone.
> A good yoga teacher video (not a celebrity one)
> - get a yoga teachers advice - can be very good.
>
>
> > For geographic/lifestyle reasons, I cannot travel too far, so something
> > that is local (Ananda) or home-based (Self Realization) appeals to me. I've
> > investigated a little about Siddha Yoga and Sahaja Yoga, but to be honest,
> > I've run across some pretty negative press, especially about SYDA. (This is
> > not meant to stir any flames; I'm sure that their teachings are fine, just
> > that the organization has apparently had real problems in the past.)
>
> Been to two meetings of Sahaja Yoga
> one with "the Mother"
> All I can say is when we went through
> the process of chakra fondling
> two people cracked up and had to leave the room
> (not me)
> People do gain from doing the process of
> meditation
> whatever the nature of the group or main guru
> or technique
> I agree with Yogi Tom that the best
> and usually cheapest meditation teachers
> are the buddhists
> If you ground yourself in effective meditation
> you will be well prepared for some of the disconcerting
> kundalini effects
> - they may not surface for years but that is OK.
> remember what we are dealing with
> - kundalini is powerful stuff
> if it goes awry - madness is the result
> Be careful
> Read, Study, worship, meditate.
> Love, Devotion and Surrender
> is fine but do not surrender common sense
> just yet . . .
>
> Most Kind Regards
> Lobster
So true and aptly put... caution is advised. Just listen to what your
heart and soul is telling you...
Namaste
Seamus
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:05:46 +0100 (MET)
From: Akasha <thauglaATnospamonline.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Moon trip/mailing list
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At 10:03 25.03.97 PST, you wrote:
>
>Hello Akasha, ( cant remember the vedic transliteration of this dammo!)
>I am bramacharya and practising Kundalini Yoga under GUidance of a 3HO
>teacher and would hbe interested to hear of techniques to assist me in my
>progress.
>WHat kind of practices are there?
As far as I have understood it, Brahmacharya(or celibacy) is a method to
*fuel* the spiritual process so that one can achieve what used to several
incarnations, in a few years. correct me if I'm wrong here, but then it is
not just enough to stay celibate, one has to sublimate the sexual energy
into higher chakras so that one can achieve the fulfillment of both poles-
that is to say, complete yin and yang within oneself and to make the soul
conscious in the body. This implies that when one does not sublimate the
energy, this is straining the nervous system and one gets sexual desire- one
might say that there is a longing for a completion of both sexes within and
this brings us to on of the best mental helps for those living in
brahmacharya; to reassure oneself that you are a whole and that you have all
you need inside yourself. Later when the sexual energy flow has been
redirected(through consistant practice and mental work) it is much easier to
live in celibacy, because one feels as a whole and the spirit is no more
projecting sexual-impulses, because the energy is directed elsewhere, this
also has to do with that the soul is without sex. But as in the adventure of
the prince and the dragon(some of them at least) the prince does not kill
the dragon(the sexuality). This symbolises that he still needs his sexual
power to "fuel" him; the sexual force, or logos, is him. He cannot kill it,
as he would kill himself, only make it work in the most beneficial way
instead of using it for just pleasure.
As for methods, it is, as far as I know, important with both physical and
"spiritual" practice. I know certain Hatha-yoga(the ones where you stand on
your head) are beneficial. But whats really important is that one transforms
the sexual impulse into subtler forms of energy. Else the celibacy is good
for nothing and could even be hazardous. the transformational technique of
osjas(is this the correct English word?) ,where one breathe in and focus on
the sex. organs and move the *consciousness* up towards the forehead on the
out-breath.
Another powerful transformational technique is to focus/visualise a high
(spiritual) ideal when one feels the sexual urge/impulse. after a few
seconds the impulse should be transformed.
I'd be most interested in hearing your techniques both for
Brahmacharya(especially the yogic ones) in general and as on the subject of
sublimation.
Love and (((light)))
Akasha
-Tried to send some healing light to a person, turns out I ruin a friendship :(
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:47:53 -0400
From: oobeATnospamnbnet.nb.ca (oobe)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
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CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> I'd like to start by appologizing for doing another Dan's post related post,
> and also to appologize in advance for my grave lack of knowledge on the
> subject, this post isn't really about Dan's experience, it's about the K list
> and it's flamin flame problem.
>
> Dan, thank you for clarifying for us, and thank you for sticking it to all
> those posts, as the guy who innocently mentioned a nutmeg experience, I
> understand what it's like to check your email and find 40 some odd letters
> about your minor little post. I know I've written far better things than
> that nutmeg post, but people seem to grab onto certain topics and hold on
> till their hands bleed. Why didn't I get 40 posts for advice I've given, or
> 40 posts on the most effective breathing techniques. I find this list to be
> a constant flux. Half the time it's well thought out, very helpful wisdom,
> or help to a freind in need, and other times it's full of flames about who
> deserves enlightenment, why your opinion is wrong, or worst of all...
> misinformed accusations. To be honest, I haven't been reading alot of the
> RE:'s to "Dan's post" because they seemed harsh and uncalled for. If there
> is a select group of 8 or so more advance people or not, I haven't a clue
> (perhaps that's how all the chaos got stirred up, maybe you should have
> worded that softer).
>
> Anywho, just a post from one who has gotten burned to another who feels
> burned. Although this list is nice, it does have teeth, and I am hereby
> ready for the 40 flames I am about to recieve, you can be assured I'll delete
> them and go have some ice cream while enjoying the woods behind our house.
>
> Lots of Smiles
> Toodle Ooo :)
> Aaron
Aaron - good points...
Kind of reminds one that no matter how old we are there is still a lot
of "inner child" that needs some healing. After aern't we all just older
kids that work for a living and are more or less lost and trying to find
our way???
Namaste
Seamus
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:37:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the dan contingency
Message-ID: <970325193633_-934933642ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
hi -k-list.
if theres one thing that can be said about all this bickering back and forth
is: if you happen to reach enlightenment,never under any circumstance
post your exp.
terry y.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 18:39:35 PST
From: "Claudia McNeely" <whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net>
To: "oobe" <oobeATnospamnbnet.nb.ca>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
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> Kind of reminds one that no matter how old we are there is still a lot
> of "inner child" that needs some healing. After aern't we all just older
> kids that work for a living and are more or less lost and trying to find
> our way???
>
> Namaste
>
> Seamus
>
In reality we have many inner children that need healing, not just one.
They can be male or female and any age.
Claudia
whitedoveATnospamtexramp.net
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:48:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Akasha <thauglaATnospamonline.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Transmuting Sexual Energy
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For those interested, here is something I found one the Ixtlan mailing list:
Akasha
-Love and (((Light)))
"Is it a bird, is it a plane is it..."
>There is an interesting book called "Ancient Secret of the Fountain of
>Youth," Copyright 1989, Harbor Press, a revised, modernized, and expanded
>edition of "The Eye of Revelation," Copyright 1939 by Peter Kelder. This
>book has a simple technique for transmuting sexual energy. I have also
>included some additional quotes for perspective. Peter Kelder supposedly
>learned the rites from a man who had learned them from Lamas in a monastery
>in the Himalayas. I can t vouch for the authenticity of that story, but the
>exercises do seem to work.
>
>"the body has seven energy centers which in English could be called
>vortexes. The Hindus call them chakras. They are powerful electric fields,
>invisible to the eye, but quite real nonetheless. Each of these seven
>vortexes centers on one of the seven ductless glands in the body s endocrine
>system, and it functions in stimulating the gland s hormonal output. It is
>these hormones which regulate all of the body s functions, including the
>process of aging.
>
>"The lowest, or first vortex centers on the reproductive glands. The second
>vortex centers on the pancreas in the abdominal region. The third centers
>on the adrenal gland in the solar plexus region. The fourth vortex centers
>on the thymus gland in the chest or heart region. The fifth centers on the
>thyroid gland in the neck. The sixth centers on the pineal gland at the
>rear base of the brain. And the seventh, highest vortex centers on the
>pituitary gland at the forward base of the brain. [The linking of the
>vortices with the endocrine glands has been done by the editor.]
>
>"In a healthy body, each of these vortexes revolves at great speed,
>permitting vital energy, also called prana or etheric energy, to flow
>upward through the endocrine system. But if one or more of these vortexes
>begins to slow down, the flow of vital life energy is inhibited or blocked,
>and - well, that s just another name for aging and ill health.
>
>"These spinning vortexes extend outward from the flesh in a healthy
>individual, but in the old, weak, and sickly they hardly reach the surface.
> The quickest way to regain youth, health, and vitality is to start these
>energy centers spinning normally again. There are five simple exercises
>that will accomplish this. Any one of them alone is helpful, but all five
>are required to get best results. These five exercises are not really
>exercises at all. The Lamas call them rites, and so that is how I shall
>refer to them too."
>
><snip>
>
>"In the average man or woman, part - often a large part - of the vital life
>force that feeds the seven vortexes is channeled into reproductive energy.
> So much of it is dissipated in the first vortex that it never has a chance
>to reach the other six.
>
>"In order to become a superman or superwoman, this powerful life force must
>be conserved and turned upward, so that it can be utilized by all of the
>vortexes, especially the seventh. In other words, it is necessary to become
>celibate so that reproductive energy can be re-channeled to a higher use.
>
>" Now, turning vital life force upward is a very simple matter, and yet,
>through the centuries, man in attempting it usually fails. In the West,
>whole religious orders have tried this very thing and failed, because they
>sought to master reproductive energy by suppressing it. There is only one
>way to master this powerful urge, and that is not by dissipating or
>suppressing it, but by *transmuting* it - transmuting it, and at the same
>time lifting it upward. In this way, you have not only discovered the
> Elixir of Life, as the ancients called it, you have also put it to use,
>which is something the ancients were seldom able to do.
>
>"Now, rite number six is the easiest thing in the world to perform. It
>should be practiced only when you feel an excess of sexual energy, and there
>is a natural desire for its expression. Fortunately, this rite is so simple
>that you can do it anywhere, at any time, whenever the urge is felt. Here s
>all you do:
>
>"Stand straight up and slowly let all of the air out of your lungs. As you
>do this, bend over and put your hands on your knees. Force out the last
>trace of air, and then, with the lungs empty, return to a straight up
>posture. Place your hands on your hips, and press down on them. This will
>push your shoulders up. As you do this, pull in the abdomen as much as
>possible, and at the same time raise the chest.
>
>"Now, hold this position as long as you possibly can. When you are finally
>forced to take air into your empty lungs, let the air flow in through the
>nose. When the lungs are full, exhale through the mouth. As you exhale,
>relax your arms, letting them hang naturally at your sides. Then take
>several deep breaths through the mouth or nose, allowing them to escape
>through either the mouth or nose. This constitutes one complete performance
>of rite number six. About three repetitions are required for most people to
>redirect sexual energy, and turn its powerful force upward.
>
>"There is only one difference between a person who is healthy and vital, and
>one who is a superman or superwoman. The former channels vital life force
>onto sexual energy, while the latter turns this force upward to create
>balance and harmony through all of the seven vortexes. That s why a
>superman or superwoman grows younger and younger day-by-day and
>moment-by-moment. He or she creates within themselves the true Elixir of
>Life.
>
>"Now you can understand that the Fountain of Youth was within me all the
>time. The five rites - or six to be more precise - were merely a key that
>unlocked the door." <snip>
>
>"Please understand that in order to perform rite number six, it is
>absolutely necessary that an individual have an active sexual urge. He or
>she could not possibly transmute reproductive energy if there were little or
>nothing to transmute. It is absolutely impossible for a person who has lost
>sexual urge to perform this rite. He or she should not even attempt it,
>because it would only lead to discouragement, and more harm than good.
>Instead, such an individual, regardless of age, should first practice the
>other five rites until they regain a normal sexual urge. When this is
>achieved, he or she may then go into the business of being a superman or
>superwoman.
>
>"Also, an individual should not attempt rite number six unless he or she is
>genuinely motivated to do so. If an individual feels incomplete in terms of
>sexual expression, and must struggle to overcome its attraction, then that
>individual is not truly capable of transmuting reproductive energy and
>directing it upward. Instead, the energy will be misdirected into struggle
>and inner conflict. The sixth rite is only for those who feel sexually
>complete, and who have a real desire to move on to different goals.
>
>"For the great majority of people, a celibate life is simply not a feasible
>choice, and they should perform the first five rites only. However, in time
>the five rites may lead to a changing in priorities, and a genuine desire to
>become a superman or superwoman. At that time, the individual should make a
>firm decision to begin a new way of life. Such an individual must be ready
>to move forward without wavering or looking back. Those who are capable of
>this are on their way to becoming true masters, able to use vital force to
>achieve anything they desire."
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:55:40 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditational Music
Message-ID: <3338740C.2F61ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Hi,
check out
Peter Gabriel's 'US' album,
esp the song 'Fourteen Black Paintings'
has Djembe, Talking Drum, and Doudouk percussion
here are the lyrics, it is impossible to imagine how Peter Gabriel
sings this without hearing it, it is very meditational
"From the pain come the dream
From the dream come the vision
From the vision come the people
And from the people come the power
From this power come the change"
if the singer has the right attitude, like Peter Gabriel or
Mahalia Jackson, lyrics dont interfere for me, if anything, a
soulful voice has more power than just instrumentals, for me.
the only song on the 'US' album that doesnt perk my pineal, is the
'Kiss That Frog' song, which was the hit song. All the others are
really spiritual. Probably 'Kiss That Frog' is pretty spiritual too,
but not to my taste :)
Been listening to this album for days now. Another lyric:
"I stood in this unsheltered place
Till I could see the face behind the face
All that had gone before had left no trace"
-Peter Gabriel 'Secret World'
> I Just got the feeling a little while ago to get up and dance. Shake my
> arms about,
> throw my legs in differrent dirrections. When I was done my energy seemed
> to be boosted. Anyone else have this experience lately?
Wasnt dancing used as a K stimulant among the African
spiritualists? Survives in some southern baptist churches,
I think.
There is a funny story in the book 'God Struck Me Dead' about
African American slave experiences of the holy spirit, where
they were very careful not to cross their legs while moving
in prayer service so the whites would not accuse them of 'dancing'.
They used to say when the holy spirit grabs you, you can't sit
down, you've got to dance.
Also, Nijinsky, the famous dancer, had many symptoms akin to K.
Cheers
Peter
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:00:05 +0100 (MET)
From: Akasha <thauglaATnospamonline.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Moon trip/mailing list
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During your research, have you stumbled about anything on the Universal
White Brotherhood? The information on them is to say the least, lacking.
Some say there the unofficial org. for all lightworkers, hmm...
In my humble opinion it is unwise to ask god of help to attain celibacy. It
may easily move your attention to the sexual organs and so fixates your
consciousness there, and by the way he does everything for us already, eh,
joke kind of. But, hey, if it worked for you that's fine, just a piece of
advice someone gave me sometime along the road...
Akash
-Love and (((Light)))
>never heard of Mantak Chia - which country is he/she from ? would you
>recommend a particular title as an introduction to his/her views on
>sexuality. I started with Hindu Tantra and then moved into taoist
>techniques as seemed purer and more wholesome and less occult, then
>ended up in world of Nyingma of Tibetan Buddhism...needed all the help i
>could get as had very powerful sexual desire and strong animal aspects
>to karma....even turned to Allah through Sufism and God through New
>Testament !!!! well, it worked...am at peace now, and sexuality feeding
>spirit nicely, the joy of celibacy....
>
>best wishes yogi Tom
>--
>Tom Aston
>
>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:08:00
From: Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com>
To: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
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At 11:18 25/03/97 -0500, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>Comments such as yours quoted above are not acceptable. Please keep them to
>yourself. As the old saying goes: if you can't say anything nice, don't say
>anything at all. It would be better if you could try and help or guide
>people instead of small insults to people you don't even know.
>
>Just so we're perfectly clear, and in case the list ref is watching or the
>admin, I take offense at your comments, and request you cease and desist.
>Thank you.
Really Dan, and I do mean this very sincerely,
you can thank me later.
ed.
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:51:26 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
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>At 02:18 PM 3/25/97 EST, you wrote:
>>Lobster wrote to Dan:
>>"Many people have been through realizations such as yours."
>>Here's an idea folks........all of us who have had a mystical experience as
>>least as wonderful sounding as the one Dan had.....of no greater or LESSER
>>value...out of which we came convinced we had received new insight or been
>>enlightened in some way say
>>"I".
Dear Dan, I would like to say I have been enlightened since 1967. My
experience is on my web page, listed below. I bragged about it at first
too. PEOPLE COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SAYING. SOME thought I was crazy,
etc. I know what you are going through. I looked for validation too. I
thought if I can get enough people to agree that I am enlighttened then
I'll know I really am. But no one gave me a medal or trophy for being
enlightened. Even though I had achieved, by the Grace of God, the highest
state of consciousness any one in the universe can achieve, according to my
Guru, I could not find anyone who would believe it. It is like describing
sex to someone who has never had sex. Unless they have experienced it, they
cannot believe.
Most importantly I found that there were a few who wanted to become
enlightened like me. They sought my advice. But I saw that my bragging was
turning them off. They left and would never study under me again. I wonder
how many people I turned off who are still wandering around out there lost.
I wonder how much karma I suffer because of that. I think that is really
the important question. What is our effect on other people? This is why
true gurus do not mention themselves very often but concentrate on the
student and speak in generalities, homelies and teach Love, Truth, Beauty
and harmony. They may tell stories about their guru but seldom mention
themselves.
Thanks, Jon
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Jesus
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:05:16 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Anyone done stuff with SRF?
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>Anyhow, some modern Kriya teachers who learned from Paramahansa Yogananda's
>teacher (forgot his name offhand, sorry) say you do not have to wait a
>year to have initiation. This I find interesting, I prefer to have it when
>I am ready, not wait a year, investing money in weekly classes.
>
One of these is Roy Eugene Davis who gives Kriya yoga initiation after a
three day workshop. He was trained personally by Yogananda. Roy even wrote
a book in which he published in detail not only the Kriya Yoga technique
but the 2nd Kriya and the 3rd and 4th Kriya which are used to see the third
eye, exit the body and finally (4th) to have your final conscious exit from
the body (mahasamadhi). Whether this is right or wrong I do not know.
He is located in Lakemont, GA at the Center of Spiritual AWareness.
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Jesus
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:16:47 -0800
From: Joe Patrick Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hatha Yoga
Message-Id: <3338870E.77FATnospamflarity.com>
E Jason wrote:
>
> remember what we are dealing with
> - kundalini is powerful stuff
> if it goes awry - madness is the result
I regret that I have but one (more) life to give to my--self
give me madness or give me--something else equally meaningful.
> Be careful
Abandon all--and expect the best, any detritus will feed the crows (and
lobsters).
> Read, Study, worship, meditate.
> Love, Devotion and Surrender
If you worship yourself, you will look BOTH ways before you cross the
street.
> is fine but do not surrender common sense
> just yet . . .
Well WHEN then, you teaser. The funny thing about common sense--it's
not so common. Two billion people are slicing 20 years off their life
smoking. I suspect that the number of years you live is irrelevant to
your soul.
But how do feel about the several billion cooperative cells hosting your
ego? So fragile and magical.
Romantically,
Joe
>
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