1997/03/25 16:15
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #121
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 121
Today's Topics:
Anyone done stuff with SRF?
RE: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
flames & twits
Re: Meditational Music
Re: drugs
Re: Face of Duality
Hatha Yoga
White Light :)
Re: Face of Duality
GOD BE WITH US ALL!
Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
Re: Heavy Duty mind blowing meditation
<<<<<Anyone done stuff with SRF? (fwd)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:06:57 -0800 (PST)
From: derekATnospamanxst.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Anyone done stuff with SRF?
Message-Id: <199703252006.MAA12218ATnospamshellx.best.com>
I couldn't resist commenting on this, since I also did some research on both
and decided they were both about the same in the end. I guess any large
place might get some bad press on occasion.
The one key thing I did not like about both SRF and Ananda is the big law-suit
they had for years on the use of the term: Self-Relization. SRF said Ananda
could not use it. A few years ago I think Ananda won and now Ananda can use
the term Self-Relization (before that they used the term god-relization).
Ananda was formed by J. Donald Walters, he used to be part of and involved of
the running of SRF in the 60's. (You can purchase a $2 book written by him
to read his side of the story, but I do not have an interest to pay $2 to
read anyones side of the story). He had a falling out at SRF and started
Ananda. I met him once in person about 10 years ago (before I knew anything
about Ananda or SRF) and I instantly could see the calm within him. I have
alot of respect for him, even with the above history.
I live near East-West bookstore in Mountain View, California. Ananda owns
it. They charge $50 for 4 classes (used to be 5, before that 6 classes for
same price). You need about 4-5 groups of class before they will give you
Kriya initiation. (About a year?) This was originally decided by Paramahansa
Yogananda who formed SRF and was J. Donald Walters (Ananda)'s teacher.
(to automatically wait about a year)
Anyhow, some modern Kriya teachers who learned from Paramahansa Yogananda's
teacher (forgot his name offhand, sorry) say you do not have to wait a
year to have initiation. This I find interesting, I prefer to have it when
I am ready, not wait a year, investing money in weekly classes.
Anyhow, I think Kriya Yoga is pretty cool personally I decided to try
Kundalini Meditation found 2 local teachers for K saw one for a single
class (all she offered at that time) and one weekly (still seeing him).
Kriya Yoga seems like a very good practice, if I did not find K teachers
locally, that was my second choice, and I also would of chosen between
SRF and Andanda. (I recomend personally check out both, see which feels
more comfortable, if I am taking a weekly class, I like to take it with
an instructor I have met and feel comfortable with). Find out how long you
have to wait until you can get Initated in Kriya (I think important) (Also
time is money, how many classes do you have to invest until they will initiate
you).
Money. Some places are free (well ask for donation). Both Ananda and SRF do
have one thing in common, they charge. I prefer a place with optional
donation (feels more spiritual-like, like they are practicing what they
teach), but I also confess the current place I am going to I pay a weekly
fee ($12 a 1.5 hour class each week). (Which I soon think I might start
going to less, like once a month).
I like the idea of a weekly group meditation, helps me with my practice.
(I live in San Jose, California if anyone recomends a place to go weekly!)
Sorry for some jumbled thoughts, I respect both SRF and Ananda, but also
have some opinions about them.
>I've been investigating a few of the various Yoga traditions taught here in
>the West, for meditation (and possibly hatha yoga instruction). I seem to
>keep coming back to two organizations: the Self Realization Fellowship, and
>the Ananda Church. They are both based on the teachings of Paramahansa
>Yogananda and Kriya Yoga. Anyway, anybody have any experiences with these
>teachings/meditation techniques?
>
>For geographic/lifestyle reasons, I cannot travel too far, so something
You never did say where you were.
>that is local (Ananda) or home-based (Self Realization) appeals to me. I've
>investigated a little about Siddha Yoga and Sahaja Yoga, but to be honest,
>I've run across some pretty negative press, especially about SYDA. (This is
>not meant to stir any flames; I'm sure that their teachings are fine, just
>that the organization has apparently had real problems in the past.)
>
>In gratitude,
>
>-- Peggy
--
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:13:50 +0100
From: Jason <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "'K-mart'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Message-ID: <01BC3961.70A36A60ATnospamlss16pub94.bluewin.ch>
"I" take in stride.
----------
From: Dominic & Maureen Marando[SMTP:chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 1997 20:18 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: ATTENTION EVERYONE, I have a humble idea?
Lobster wrote to Dan:
"Many people have been through realizations such as yours."
Well,
Here's an idea folks........all of us who have had a mystical experience as
least as wonderful sounding as the one Dan had.....of no greater or LESSER
value...out of which we came convinced we had received new insight or been
enlightened in some way say
"I".
This is not to boast or to condemn Dan who really seems to be having trouble
taking his experience in stride. This can be dangerous for his mind
folks....if he doesn't take it in stride he could remain permanently
disfunctional and may even "drop out" of daily routine and who knows where
that may end. Many have been institutionalized and labelled schyzophrenic
when they just were not dealing with spiritually transforming experiences
very well.
So, Dan, I too, as Lobster....have experienced things of another level,
dimension, world,....WHATEVER. The point is all humans have this
capability.(some may never attain in this life time but its in all of us and
who knows why one and not the other for now)
Just because someone "there", in your field told you you were one of 8
doesn't mean it is LITERALLY so.
You must balance your soul experiences with your INTELLECT. We humans are
intellectual AND spiritual. Don't lose your BALANCE!!!!!!!!
I do not share all my visions, but if I did I'm sure you would be
hard-pressed to say they were any less revolutionary than yours.
So EVERYONE....let us KINDLY tell Dan how many of us here have seen and done
the same as what he is describing......gently tell him......and it may help
him with his perspective. I first I was quite putt off by him.....but
something inside my stomach worries for his mind when I read his posts.
Many of us have our fields and lights too Dan.......
........and if that doesn't help...THEN we kick his butt from here to
eternity (JOKE!)
a light-hearted traveller
Mo :-)
peace, love and groovy everyone
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:22:22 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: flames & twits
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Well everyone, once again you've shown there are a few bad apples who spoil
it for the bunch. The messages, my personal opinion have been very immature.
So in the future I will not respond to any messages to me which are in any
way negative. I'm tired of being dragged back down to this reality level
with all this dark stuff to deal with, it's much nicer being where I
usually am, where there is only light, love, peace, warmth, joy and
happiness. I will also not reply to responses to this message, so don't
bother.
As an additive, any negative public remarks posted to others about me are
from henceforth considered offensive to myself. Enough complaints about
this sort of behaviour can get you removed from the list.
The amount of "dark" energy being released by you all is too much for my
current state, and my previous energy transfer just released more of it
(got it moving around). Perhaps later I will be able to cleanse this, at
the moment, I am too worn out. I've got lots of energy, but not that much.
Peace and light to everyone. It's now time for me to rest.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:02:26 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditational Music
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Cameron,
The only music I can think of with nice rythmic drums would be Santana.
A lot of his music has lyrics, but there are some nice instumentals too.
I Just got the feeling a little while ago to get up and dance. Shake my
arms about,
throw my legs in differrent dirrections. When I was done my energy seemed
to be boosted. Anyone else have this experience lately?
John Halonen
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:33:14 -0500 (EST)
From: RWilli2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: drugs
Message-ID: <970325153313_-1001959767ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
You lost my whole point. I don't see the need to meditate ARTIFICIALLY.
This will be my last post on this point. I also would love to spend time
with Charlie Manson, find the psychology of criminal mind very interesting,
however, I wouldn't have wanted him and his drug using pals running rampant
in my neighborhood, cutting out a baby from my sister's belly, would you?????
How about running up against a bank robber with an automatic weapon???? If
you believe in the rights of all, why not the right to keep a gun in your
house? This whole discussion is moot. I still maintain that meditation (at
least for me) should be a NATURAL thing. The joint is a crutch. I use music
to help me go inside myself, but at least when I get there it is all NATURAL.
Get It?
Just passing on my opinion. Don't hold anything against anyone for having
their own opinion or practices (religious, drug use, whatever) just don't
see the need for drug induced meditation.
Much love.
Roseann
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:55:01 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Face of Duality
Message-ID: <333873E5.57C3ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> no, but if you are game, does that mean I can shoot you?
of course - enjoy the hunt - the capture
the struggle, the death and the provision of nutrition.
> I cannot provide any evidence to the contrary, except perhaps the fact that
> I have not integrated yet. that is all. My brain hurts, can I go home now? :)
Not yet.
Well as the only piece of evidence you can provide is
non integration.
I shall now try to prove
how this is conclusive evidence of enlightenment:
1. The process of non integration, the differentiation
between being and non-being is an example of the perpetual
change of the universe. This is therefore an external
example of the maxim "as above, so below".
2. It is impossible for an enlightened person to achieve integration
as this would be tantamount to achieving the absolute. Therefore
the realised state is one of movement towards integration but
it is impossible to apprehend. All that one can do is accept
change.
As we can use words to say or "prove" anything
they are for purposes of the expression of actual
mystical processes completely irrelevant.
To say one what is, is also to imply its opposite
in which it resides.
> see, I'm doing pretty good.
Whenever you provide good advice or guidance it
is to the general good and therefore aknowledged.
> >Let's start with self awareness -
> >Are you aware of how others see you?
> >Might you be able to describe this?
>
> some good, some not so good (listies). As for in real life. People who USED
> to be MAJOR jerks to me are now suddenly very nice, and it's lasting. Not
> short term. This is very strange, but ok by me. I'm positively glowing with
> white energy. uuugh...
You will find as most of us do
that people are reflections of our own
behaviour towards them.
Maybe you have become a nicer person
+ light.
> >Any power that you do not know what to do with
> >is limited by that very fact.
>
> true, which is why I'm still integrating I guess, and passing on whatever
> excess energy (not all of it, but some of it), to whomever. I'm not being
> too choosey about this any more. I have more than enough to go around.
> Sometimes I feel like I could fill the whole world with white energy. ugh.
I'm sorry!
Why are you holding back on this energy?
We need all of it for the kundalini list!
> >I take it these are manifestations of inner processes and
> >have no external reality?
> >Or perhaps they have names and addresses?
> >Or perhaps they are too vague to exist other than as lights?
>
> exactly. well, sort of, but not really. they are just balls of white
> energy, white light. they do have a physicality, I'm sure. but it doesn't
> matter.
Come on now!
What are they - of course it matters
- are they real - are your assertions?
Where is the division between actual capacity
and delusion?
> >Anyway Dan your enlightenment is fully accepted by me
> >and I am sure many people on the list are supportive of the
> >processes and experiences you are undergoing, floating or otherwise.
>
> goody, does that mean I can go home now? <snicker> ugh.
Not yet.
> as for possibilities, recent experience of mine, I passed through a black
> hole, on my way through I circumnavigated the entirety of creation. I know
> now, and understand what the universe is, and know for a fact, anything you
> imagine is possible. anything. and I am beginning to understand why and how
> everyone is saying we are all one (everyone in the world), because this is
> true. Even in enlightement there are still greater levels of such to reach.
How many chakras can you close down at will?
In fact who is in control?
There is a force of your own imagination
flinging you around the universe.
Now are you a master of your own destiny
or open to any commitee of higher light balls
that wishes you to bow to its ecstatic intrusions
to real integration?
> Dan.
> there are always possibilities...
Nice sig.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:21:55 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hatha Yoga
Message-ID: <33387A33.7689ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Peggy Freeman wrote:
> I've been investigating a few of the various Yoga traditions taught here in
> the West, for meditation (and possibly hatha yoga instruction). I seem to
> keep coming back to two organizations: the Self Realization Fellowship, and
> the Ananda Church. They are both based on the teachings of Paramahansa
> Yogananda and Kriya Yoga. Anyway, anybody have any experiences with these
> teachings/meditation techniques?
Please do not dismiss Hatha Yoga to lightly
Hatha Yoga is part of Tantra and is a complete path
in itself.
It is a meditation and a way of life.
Yoga means Union - Ha tha are the combining of sun
and moon or left right brains.
I would recommend gentle and regular Hatha Yoga
to everyone.
A good yoga teacher video (not a celebrity one)
- get a yoga teachers advice - can be very good.
> For geographic/lifestyle reasons, I cannot travel too far, so something
> that is local (Ananda) or home-based (Self Realization) appeals to me. I've
> investigated a little about Siddha Yoga and Sahaja Yoga, but to be honest,
> I've run across some pretty negative press, especially about SYDA. (This is
> not meant to stir any flames; I'm sure that their teachings are fine, just
> that the organization has apparently had real problems in the past.)
Been to two meetings of Sahaja Yoga
one with "the Mother"
All I can say is when we went through
the process of chakra fondling
two people cracked up and had to leave the room
(not me)
People do gain from doing the process of
meditation
whatever the nature of the group or main guru
or technique
I agree with Yogi Tom that the best
and usually cheapest meditation teachers
are the buddhists
If you ground yourself in effective meditation
you will be well prepared for some of the disconcerting
kundalini effects
- they may not surface for years but that is OK.
remember what we are dealing with
- kundalini is powerful stuff
if it goes awry - madness is the result
Be careful
Read, Study, worship, meditate.
Love, Devotion and Surrender
is fine but do not surrender common sense
just yet . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:55:32 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: White Light :)
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As soon as this is unfolded(read). You will experience white light.
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:47:06 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality
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At 04:55 PM 3/25/97 -0800, you wrote:
>of course - enjoy the hunt - the capture
>the struggle, the death and the provision of nutrition.
what? no butter...? :)
>I'm sorry!
apology accepted.
>Why are you holding back on this energy?
>We need all of it for the kundalini list!
already done. twice, so to speak.
>Come on now!
>What are they - of course it matters
>- are they real - are your assertions?
>Where is the division between actual capacity
>and delusion?
they are real. there is no delusion. they are balls of white light and
white energy. pure energy. pure light. love, peace, warmth, joy, and
happiness. I think I can still understand why you find this such a
difficult concept.
>How many chakras can you close down at will?
I have no idea, I've never tried. why would I want to?
>In fact who is in control?
the inner self.
>There is a force of your own imagination
>flinging you around the universe.
imagination, I don't think so.
>Now are you a master of your own destiny
always was, just not aware of it. and theres a secret everyone should know.
>or open to any commitee of higher light balls
>that wishes you to bow to its ecstatic intrusions
>to real integration?
there's no bowing. it's impossible for a sphere to "bow". They are not
intrusions. ecstatic? hmmm. if that implies peace, love, light, warmth,
joy, and happiness, well, yes.
>Nice sig.
I'm glad someone appreciates it.
Dan.
there are always possibilities...
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:41:04 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: GOD BE WITH US ALL!
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Robert Morning Sky was on the Art Bell Show last night and this
morning. He talked about prophesy of the Native Americans. He said every
tribe leader says we are descended from Star Elders. That is his name for
ETs. He said Three star elders have landed in Native American villages in
the last 3 months. The star elders got out and went in among the tribal
chiefs and visited with them. Robert is keeping the location secret to
protect the humans involved. But it occurred in Arizona.
Richard Boyalnd reported to a newsnet group that there was a
meeting recently of Native Americans at the four corners monument in
Arizona. They wanted to see their star elders land. Their medicine men had
toold them they received messages they would come tht night. Armed guards
showed up and waited for awhile. Several lights were seen in the sky. But
no one landed.
Another report on short wave radio said another tribe in Canada,
near Vancouver, tried to have a gathering to welcome their Star Elders
recently. They were met with Armed guards. They were allowed to watch the
skys for awhile. Lights did appear but no ships landed. One of the natives
got the school bus to take the tribe home. He was shot by the guards 20
times. They told the newspapers he was trying to run over them.
====================================
=====
The above are the facts. This is my opinion. It seems obvious that landings
are being attempted in the United States. They have already occurred all
over the world. When I heard the above story about the indian being shot, I
could not hold back the tears. Then I let myself cry profusely. At first I
did not have the heart to put this out on the internet. But I felt God
urging me to. Channellings and prophecies are one thing, they may be true
and they may not. But bullets and blood are real. For better or for worse,
the war has started. Let this be the shot heard around the world. Reprint
this and send it to everyone you know even if it is only one other person.
My tears are falling on the keyboard as I write this. I know I should sit
back and let them fall; but Spirit tells me to finish this message before
it is too late. I know many of us believe in the afterlife and God. We know
we are going to live forever. WE know who we are and why we are here.
But would you express those ideals with a gun pointed in your face. These
indians did. I ask myself, can I do any less. I have never claimed to be a
very brave man. All I have is my computer. But until I die I will use it to
spread the word for as long as I can.
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Jesus
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:10:17 -0500 (EST)
From: TeeegeeeATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Teachers & PAths in the US
Message-ID: <970325171016_-1738808917ATnospamemout16.mail.aol.com>
DanG writes....
<< As the old saying goes: if you can't say anything nice, don't say
anything at all. >>
By golly Dan, I think you've finally got it! You have taught it. Now is the
time to implement and learn.
Enjoyed your postings! I haven't had this much fun reading the K-list in a
long time. Much love to you during your integration..... I know you will
come through it fine.
xxxtg
"If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world
peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the
looting started."
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:26:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Cameron <purenrgATnospamgoodnet.com>
To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Heavy Duty mind blowing meditation
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Aaron,
I'm still a couple days behind on messages, but had to comment on this
before I left work. It is truly great! Period. To quiet the mind and
just listen to the sounds all around leads to wonderful things. One does
not even necessarily need to go on a walk to do this. I am sitting at my
desk listening to the voices, keyboards, trash bags, chairs, etc, etc all
around and barely thinking a thought.
Ah, the bliss of a quiet mind. Sincerely appreciated by one such as
muself who's brain likes to run at least 5 thoughts at a time. :-)
much love,
Cameron
On Sun, 23 Mar 1997 CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
> I posted this earlier, but I don't think people reacted to it correctly and
> I'm getting weird vibes that I should repost, so I'm posting it yet again. I
> really highly suggest this, it may change the way you preceive reality, it
> may make you enlightened.
>
> Go for a walk. Don't take anyone
> >with you (unless it's dangerous). Try to shut out all internal noise in
> yourself
> >and concentrate on every sound you can hear. Hear all the cars, hear all
> the birds
> >and squerrils, there's always lots of sounds and they're all around you and
> up
> >into the air, and many of the sounds are moving, try to locate the sounds
> and track
> >all the sounds you hear simultaneously. When you can actually start doing
> this
> >(shutting off the internal noise is the toughie for me), try to listen to
> the sounds
> >as just the pure sound, don't identify what made the sound, try instead to
> just
> >hear the sound as some kool sound. If done correctly, things sound super
> kool,
> >and you can go into a concentration induced trance. It takes alittle time
> and alittle
> >Zen-esque practice, but everyone should go on a walk everyday and it's
> >a nice way to do yogic active meditations.
>
>
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Cameron Dye | "Existence is pure joy...sorrows are
purenrgATnospamgoodnet.com | but as shadows; they pass & are done;
A really great home page: | but there is that which remains."
http://www.goodnet.com/~purenrg | - The Book of the Law -
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: derekATnospamanxst.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Anyone done stuff with SRF? (fwd)
Message-Id: <199703252256.OAA18103ATnospamshellx.best.com>
NOTE: I am forwarding this to the list for: Dananada-RF by request who sent it
to me and not the list by mistake. -Derek
You wrote:
>
>The one thing I did not like about both SRF and Ananda is the big
>law-suit they had for years on the use of the term: Self-Relization.
>SRF said Ananda could not use it. Ananda was formed by J. Donald
>Walters, he used to be part of and involved of the running of SRF
>Derek Beda
>derekATnospamanxst.com
>(408) 989-2596
>
Hi there,
I am in a verborrheic mood so pay little attention. Know little
about the self-realization stuff except that Paramahansa Yogananda has
indirectly affected me in two fairly significant ways.
The first was through the book "Autobiography of a Yogi". I
off-handedly skimmed it many, many years ago because the weird word
'Yogi' caught my eye. Read bits and pieces, understood nothing and
forgot it.
On June 21, 1996, the night my spontaneous kundalini awakening
occurred without provocation, every word I had read (and they were the
only words I had read about the subject, EVER) came back to me and
guided me through the terrifying ordeal without any trepidation.
The second way was through Dr. George; a direct disciple of P.Y.
After P.Y.'s death, the organizing of Self-Realization started and Dr.
George left the group in disapproval as he maintained that P.Y. had
specifically warned this would happen and left instructions that it was
his express wish that it not be so. Then the Kriyananda schism came
about and much of the whole thing resembles the organized 'religion'
that P.Y. abhorred in his lifetime - this is not new as Buddha is said
to have expressed the same wishes.
Dr. George founded a single, self-realization group in Wisconsin
and taught, as his teacher P.Y. had done, those who came to him without
any charging of fees or rigidly formalized, published training courses.
It was Dr. George who told my wife Karen to seek happiness, divorce
her drug-addict husband, and not suffer any guilt that she didn't
choose for herself. She did so and within weeks of meeting me (through
previously-recounted, mind-boggling coincidences) we were married; that
was twenty-one years ago.
Shortly after giving that free advice to Karen, Dr. George
announced to his little group that it was time for him to go, not to
worry, that he would be with them always whenever they needed him, and
layed down and died. There is a term for this; samadhi, I think =-?
There you have a take on SRF that you ain't likely to find hardly
nowhere, nohow.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dananada-RF
Sunnyvale, CA
In the book.
--
Derek Beda
derekATnospamanxst.com
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