1997/03/24 15:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #118
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 118
Today's Topics:
boom, boom, out go the lights
out go the lights part two....
Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
cool the snake
Face of Duality
Re: Face of Duality
Re: cool the snake
Re: hara, China, I Ching and K
Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
Re: Reply on purifying chakras
Drunvalo on the Dimensional Shift.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 13:44:47 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: boom, boom, out go the lights
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Hello all.........
Today a photographer came to take pictures of my sons, and just as the last
shot was beng taken a bulb in on of his standing flood lights exploded.
He was completely amazed, said he had never seen or heard of that kind of
bulb just exploding like that, and chances were one in one thousand.
He said he had had bulb overheat after maybe ten hours (it was on for about
an hour at my house)...and when they do they just turn off.
He said he was going back to the manufacturer.
Glass went flying but luckly no one was hit.
I have read on this list of this happening to "energized" people, and in a
book, and I was wondering if this has happened to anyone here? I'm not
saying it was me.....I don't know....I guess I'm just a little worried it
was because one of my children could have been cut or something.
How do we handle this?
Mo :-)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 14:09:42 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: out go the lights part two....
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Hiya listies......
I forget, and this is something I have also wanted to ask.....besides the
light bulbs exploding..........sometimes I feel like the world's biggest
clutz. I go to reach for or grab an object and is goes flying out of my hand
like I hit it and made no attempt to grasp it whatsoever. My cordless
telephone has sprouted wings it has whoosed through the air so many times!
So am I just a big clutz or anyone experienced this silly stuff?
>From the clut........
oops just fell out of my chair......
>From the clutzy and lighthearted traveller...Mo :-)
PS. That Hale-Bopp is something ain't she?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:27:48
From: Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
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At 10:51 24/03/97 -0500, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>To everyone who has a problem with my sig: get over yourselves! I consider
>it a blatant showing of ego.
Just a reflection of what is being offered to us, Dan. But don't worry,
we all are blessed with some.
So why is one persons beliefs (or
>knowledge) any less or greater valued, valuable, or valid than anyone elses?
>
That's right, Dan, they are not. No one has a franchise on the Truth.
>Well anyhow, being enlightened means being open to compromise. I am still
>integrating like crazy, getting hit by massive amounts of energy, and
>vibrational shifts. So I am still somewhat in a state of flux.
>
Let the condition complete itself before coming the the aid of others.
>The whole point to this sig is to let people know I've gone through this
>stuff,
If you have to keep reassuring us in this way, there must be little
else of value that you are saying that would give us that impression.
I'm used to it now, and whatever else the universe throws my way. So
>they will know one place they can ask more "advanced" questions or seek
>guidance and without judgement. Which is, I was made to understand, what
>this list is all about.
This list is about sharing,
plain and simple.
ed.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:49:51 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
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At 11:27 AM 3/24/97, you wrote:
You took my message the wrong way. That was not the response I was looking
for. If you don't like the sig, suggest constructive enhancements, not
negative attitude.
>Just a reflection of what is being offered to us, Dan. But don't worry,
>we all are blessed with some.
That is not true at all. Neither of those statements is correct in my case.
Believe what you like, it matters not to me.
>That's right, Dan, they are not. No one has a franchise on the Truth.
but it seems some people think they own the patent rights. Not me. Not that
it matters.
>Let the condition complete itself before coming the the aid of others.
Not possible. People on the list have asked for guidance and I shall offer
them what I can. Besides, helping others, helps me as well.
>If you have to keep reassuring us in this way, there must be little
>else of value that you are saying that would give us that impression.
that was not the point, and I know you are aware of that. But it doesnt
matter. I am not here to convince you of anything. If you wish to change
you will, if not, you wont, either way, it doesn't matter to me.
>This list is about sharing,
>plain and simple.
precisely what I've been doing. So Ed, let's here some of your experiences.
Share with the rest of us. I've attached some lovely white energy to this
for everyone on the list. That's my way of sharing at the moment.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:45:26 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: cool the snake
Message-ID: <33370406.70BFATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi,
For no good reason went to my favourite bookshops
to purchase the unwritten "Things To Do After Enlightenment".
Was glad to recieve a free book for which I tried to get
a reduced price without success.
Hah!
Nobody seemed to know anything about the man who shall die
(on Friday) - JC - but then can we always expect
the unexpected idea known as resurrection?
Those of you sensitive to this time of year
will find the power of Easter is beginning to kick in.
Not to worry - go to a Catholic Church and see what they
have done to the statues?
Spookeee . . .
Why not zap the Holy water with some K?
- hey Father what's going on here?
Just remember for Christs Sake
the consequences of unleashed K
can have dramatic consequences
Ask the man on the hill
- on the wood
that Divine Kundalite
Cool the snake . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:48:27 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Face of Duality
Message-ID: <333704BB.2406ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
> Dan Gahlinger writes concerning his legendary enlightenment:
>
> > that is the whole point, isn't it Joe? to bring others along on this little
> > joyride. I'm not going to spoil it by telling anyone what it's like,
> > besides, you'd either not understand or it's scare the ATnospam#^& out of you. It
> > would have me, if anyone had told me. eesh. It was more than I could handle
> > at the time, but I got over it.
>
> So there we have it enlightenment is terryfying or incomprehensible.
> Brave Dan.
> He got over enlightenment . . .
> Well Dan welcome back we missed your lack of ego
> and advanced advice
> time for more questions:
>
> 1. How is it possible to differentiate between your incomprehensibly
> terryfying
> status and delusion. For instance some individuals undergo conviction
> psychosis - convinced of a fact despite the evidence to the contrary.
> Would you recommend listing the reasons why something is not so?
> Or would you say that this is a deep rooted almost emotional certainty
> that goes beyond the ability to reason? Or would you have other advice
> from those
> suffering from terminal certainty?
>
> 2. Would you say that apart from the addictive nature of euphoria and
> its
> barrier to progress there is any advantage to enlightenment? Would you
> say
> it is in the capacity to serve and develop awareness of other peoples
> thought processes or would you see it as individual and selfish?
>
> > So if there is one thing I can pass on as advice, it is these two things,
> > one: once you have been awakened, there is no getting that genie back in
> > the bottle. And two: once these processes start, usually your inner self
> > takes over and you no longer have any control over it, whether you want it
> > to stop or not, you have no choice. It is best to just let yourself go
> > along with it.
>
> Would you be so kind as to provide us with details
> of those who have attained to your status, were any of the 8
> public teachers?
> What do you intend to provide that they did not?
>
> Most Kind Regards
> Lobster
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:21:47 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality
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At 01:55 PM 3/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
>So there we have it enlightenment is terryfying or incomprehensible.
it is both, it is neither. It just is. :)
I'm having some trouble concentrating today (being overloaded with energy).
I'm feeling a bit spaced out, so you'll have to bear with me.
>Brave Dan.
>He got over enlightenment . . .
>Well Dan welcome back we missed your lack of ego
>and advanced advice
>time for more questions:
oh, my favourite seafood is back, thank you! <sorry>
I have not gotten over it yet. I keep torturing myself more...
>1. How is it possible to differentiate between your incomprehensibly
>terryfying
>status and delusion. For instance some individuals undergo conviction
>psychosis - convinced of a fact despite the evidence to the contrary.
>Would you recommend listing the reasons why something is not so?
>Or would you say that this is a deep rooted almost emotional certainty
>that goes beyond the ability to reason? Or would you have other advice
>from those
>suffering from terminal certainty?
delusion doesnt last, this does. there is no evidence to the contrary in my
case. Doing such a process with another who is more experienced and making
sure nothing goes wrong is a definite additive to make this more "real". It
is a combination of much you have mentioned here. It is, probably a deep
rooted emotional certainty, and probably goes beyond the ability to reason.
and for the last question, it really depends on themselves. Each person
follows their own path in their own way.
The only advice I can offer is to listen to that little voice inside you.
your gut reaction or instinct. and listen to it carefully. those delusional
people usually ignore their innerselves, and those voices. Those voices are
usually trying to tell them there's something not quite right with the
picture they're seeing, but are usually too dazzled by the "bright lights"
to pay attention. They usually find out rather quickly though.
>2. Would you say that apart from the addictive nature of euphoria and
>its
>barrier to progress there is any advantage to enlightenment? Would you
>say
>it is in the capacity to serve and develop awareness of other peoples
>thought processes or would you see it as individual and selfish?
selfishness is not part of the process I don't think. the process makes it
more difficult to be negative or greedy. Why would you need to be selfish
when there is more than you could possibly want or need? the "individual"
no longer exists, except as part of the whole. Personally I would say that
such a thing could be used to develop the awareness of others, and I think
that would be a positive use. BTW: I don't find the euphoria addictive. I
have more white energy than I know what to do with as well. Unlimited
"power" if you like. And nothing more that you want to do with it except
spread it around. I have so much energy today, I'm practically floating. :)
>Would you be so kind as to provide us with details
>of those who have attained to your status, were any of the 8
>public teachers?
They were large white balls of white energy. nuff said. I do not know who
those others are in this reality/density. And it really doesn't matter. I
doubt any of them are public teachers, but anything is possible.
>What do you intend to provide that they did not?
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. We are each our own selves,
even as part of the whole, or collective. It's like your hand being part of
your body, different, yet, part. I brought my knowledge and experience, and
inner self to the collective, as they brought theirs to me.
Nice to see you back again. what happened to your sig?
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:22:23 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: cool the snake
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There is an article on What to do After you've been enlightened, called
Celectial Promises. It is on the web http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
>Hi,
>
>For no good reason went to my favourite bookshops
>to purchase the unwritten "Things To Do After Enlightenment".
>Was glad to recieve a free book for which I tried to get
>a reduced price without success.
Everyone has eternal life. Some just don't know it.
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:23:43 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: hara, China, I Ching and K
Message-ID: <3336E2CF.4EACATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Hi All,
here is a small example of qusetions manifesting their own answers:
A week ago I was wondering about the emphasis on the Hara chakra
in Zen, and why other chakras like the heart chakra, were relatively
neglected in Zen teachings. Someone mentioned Zen's heritage from
Chinese Taoist internal alchemy and the Taoist emphasis on the
TanTien (Tanden, hara).
Then a few days later, I was lying on the park bench at lunch time,
listening on my Walkman to the new age radio show 'New Dimensions',
and there was an interview with Carl Jung's friend and biographer Sir
Lawrence VanderPost (sp?), and one of the points he made was how
the Chinese culture as a whole suffers from a lack of contact with
Eros (aka the heart). He attributed a lot of China's developmental
problems to this alienation from Eros. He talked about how the
West's development of Eros (as in some strains of Christianity, eg
Saint Francis? (my interp.)) is one of its major contributions.
Anyway, interesting to hear this apparent Chinese alienation from
the heart center described.
Sir Lawrence also described a fascinating synchronicity little
noticed by Jung scholars: that Jung had his famous 'Liverpool'
dream of a magnolia tree and a pool, 3 days before meeting the I Ching
scholar Wilhelm, and starting his I Ching studies. And the magnolia
tree was brought over from China to Europe! Sir Lawrence said that
even Jung didnt make the connection of the magnolia tree to the
I Ching.
This is a neat synchronicity, given that the I Ching itself
is kind of a sophisticated synchronicity computer!
I would recommend the I Ching to anyone. It is very benevolent
and wise. It seems to always have the best interests of the questioner
at heart. And it is a good way to tap into the power of your deep
unconscious self in a sensitive way.
I also think the I Ching is relevant to K people,
since synchronicities tend to proliferate around K'ers, and
their synchronicity-ability will work with the I Ching to do its
stuff.
check out this site for a quick (free) I Ching reading,
and downloadable I Ching software with pretty pictures (15$).
http://www.resonate.com/iching/index.htm
(interesting and fun, but coins and a
book and a meditative mind state are probably better?)
Cheers
Peter
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:43:48
From: Ed Johnson <orangeATnospamislandnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Face of Duality: List Mystress Ref Call.
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At 14:49 24/03/97 -0500, you wrote:
>At 11:27 AM 3/24/97, you wrote:
>
>You took my message the wrong way. That was not the response I was looking
>for. If you don't like the sig, suggest constructive enhancements, not
>negative attitude.
>
Sure, here's a suggestion.
dan.
>
>Not possible. People on the list have asked for guidance and I shall offer
>them what I can. Besides, helping others, helps me as well.
>
Hold that thought, Dan!!
>>If you have to keep reassuring us in this way, there must be little
>>else of value that you are saying that would give us that impression.
>
>that was not the point, and I know you are aware of that. But it doesnt
>matter. I am not here to convince you of anything. If you wish to change
>you will, if not, you wont, either way, it doesn't matter to me.
If I wish to change it will be from within. And it will be from
learning something I already knew. In this we can help each other.
In this becoming we are only as brothers, otherwise you have seen
the resistance that the "I know something you don't know" attitude
engenders, albeit in your enthusiasm to proclaim your newly found joy
you interpret this as ignorance.
>precisely what I've been doing. So Ed, let's here some of your experiences.
>Share with the rest of us. I've attached some lovely white energy to this
>for everyone on the list. That's my way of sharing at the moment.
Thanks very much. I have no credentials of experience. I am merely
the sum total of who I am today, living the best way I know how.
ed.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:27:33 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reply on purifying chakras
Message-ID: <3336FFD5.1E7EATnospambest.com>
> CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> cool, thanks, but I do have more questions:
> How do you clear the chakras out? I noticed your post with the
visualization
> of the white lite burning up the gunk. Is the visualization enough,
or
> should I be looking for the tingling sensations, should I chant
mantras
> during visualization, or before to energize? I know that it often is
> different for everyone, so tell me your experience and then I can try
> variations.
> Thanks :)
> Aaron
> >
Hey A,
This is a wierd visualization because the act of visualizing creates a
real flame. You can see it and feel the motion, see and feel it
drawing in black gunk from the chakras. I tried this on people not
experiencing awakened K and the flame was less real to them, but still
there. I found they didn't have the same level of focus and
concentration that many people with K have (practise is the difference,
I think).
Morgana
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:43:43 -0500 (EST)
From: voltronATnospamvoy.net (Jon Locke)
To: spotterATnospamcyberstreet.com
Subject: Drunvalo on the Dimensional Shift.
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There is a lot of talk about Drunvalo Melchizedek nowadays. If you would
like to know what he has to say, here is a transcript, as near as I can fo
it, from his Flower of Life Workshop - Day 5 of 6 days. He discusses what
to do during the coming dimensional shift.
On the Great Void: After we go through the great void, we can create
anything we want. Once we are in the new world, the options you have there
are vast. WE create everything here, too. It looks the other way around. It
looks like everything is created here and we were born into it.But that's
not true. We all created everything around us.What most people don't
realise is we have a relationship with God. The creation is between you and
God from the very beginning - whatever you chose.
On Earth changes: There is really nothing we need to do externally as far
as going to someplace or building something. The work we need to do is
internal. We need to refine ourselves. There is no reason to have fear
about what is going on out there at all. How bad it looks or anything else.
The Day of Purification: The Native Americans have a pueblo and when they
see the signs that the Day of Purification is coming they go inside. There
is nothing man-made inside. EVerything is made of earth and wood and stone.
They say close the windows and don't look out. Because if you look out you
are going to see stuff that will scare the pants off you.And that's not
going to help. It is better to remain calm and centered. Remember your
Merkaba fields around you. That is all you have to do and stay in Trust And
Love. Theese are SOoo important. Feelings of centered are much more
imprtant than doing things.
On the End Time. Colleced prophecies from Naorth American Tribes . The
Black Widow society (all females) and all secret prophecies. he put
together what they all had in common. They say we are going from one world
to another but we muct go through the Great Void first. Three times before
the world go polluted and crazy and had to be destroyed. This is the fourth
time and the time is coming up now. Will be a huge amount of people that
will die. They as a gestalt or grooup in spirit form will take off and will
head for very specific palce, planets, etc. Three groups. One group (they
have bonded already) does not know where they are going but they are gong
to just take off.
Those who are left over come into harmony and form. They claim the earth is
really a space ship and the whole thing pops out and we fly away to another
place.
That is not exactly what I believe is going to happen. I don't know for
sure what is doing to happen. I don't believe anybody really knows what is
going to happen. We are coming to a time when whatever we dream or whatever
we want is what is going to happen.But here is what has happened on other
planets when they went through this.
Things begins to break down, due to the magnetic field going to zero.
Solids become liguid. Magnetic field is what we use to tell who we are and
to think. We need to feel the earth to do this. We can't think without it.
WE can't live without being in contact with the earth.
The full moon causes a bubble on the magenetic field. You notice a day
before, during and a day after a full moon there are more rapes, nurders
and violent crime. And this tiny little change takes people who are on the
edge, ovr the edge. The mind is affected by the magenetic field and the
mind then affects the emotions. Actually I time these workshops to the full
moon because that allows the emotions to move a little bit more.
Imagine a planet getting close to the precession on the Equinox [into the
next 2000 year period]. 3 to 6 months before this happens, the earth's
Magnetic field begins to fluctuate a lot. People start loosing it
emotionall. Going crazy. And that causes the social, financial, government,
religious structures fall apart. The MF will be at zero for at least 3
days. The chaos will continue building until people go totally bananas.
But if you are in your own merkaba you can create a huge, powerful
magnetic field which will protect you egardless of what the earth does. The
merkaba you are learning in this workshop stretches for 160,000 miles in
space. It is weaker at the edges but the vortex of it where you are is 55
feet. You won't get emotionally upset. When it happens go inside and close
the windows. Don't watch TV, or listen to the radio. Don't do anything.
Just sit and breath and be calm. And as Baba says, "Don't worry; be happy."
Every time a person activates their merkaba it goes into the Christ
Consciousness Grid. And this helps us reach a critical mass [hundreth
monkey effect]. WE re reaching a point pretty soon where people are going
to just naturally start doing the merkaba breath. They won't know why.
They'll just say it feels good. So they'll keep on doing it.
Children have the least problem. The older you are the harder it is.
I don't know how crazy it will gt here. I hope it doesn't. If enough of us
get together we will go through it without any problem, smoothly.
If it does go really crazy and everybody is fighting each other, that is
where Armegeddon come in.
About 5 or 6 hours before the shifting of consciousness, which is also tied
into the poles starting to shift (they usually happen together), visual
phenomena starts to take place. You can't miss it. There'll be no doubt in
your mind. And this is almost certain to happen. 3rd and 4th dinemsnion
start to blend together. Synthetic objects will disappear. They are held in
this world by the grid of consciousness. When the grid breaks down,
things start to disappear. People thought they were going crazy before, but
when they see that , they really go crazy. Don't worry about this but take
it as a sign. You've got a very short time to get somehwere natural. Ont he
earth, trees , rocks, something natural. The poles have shifted many
times. There is almost no evidence this has happend because everything
disappeared. That is why the pyramids were built out of stone so they would
survive the shifts. Better to wear cotton than polyester.This is why the
indians are not allowed anything synthtic in the Pueblo in Taos, N.M.
There is another phenomena whcih may happen, maybe not. It depends on where
you re geographically. This is so weird your mind won't know what is
happening. 4th dimensional objects will appear in your 3rd dimensional
world. Boggle your mind. Colors never existed. Shapes you never imagined
could be there. Bizzar. Because your mind has no recollection of see ing
such things. It won't hurt you, just don't touch it. It is mesmerizing to
look at it. But if you touch it, it will pull you instantenously into the
4th dimension. It will be better if you move slower, more organicly. If you
are on the ground outside the sit down and close your eyes. Mountains will
go up and down and all kinds of weird stuff. If fear takes over you are
going to forget your breathing and everything else. For example if you see
someone with a gun adn you become afraid you will manifest a gun in your
hand and if you shot at them then they will shoot back at you and you will
be dead. But if you see God in all of this and remain centered you will be
alright.
As soon as the magnetic field collaspes after, 6 hours of this, your view
and field of vision will disappear. You'll find yourself in space in a
blackness. Totally black. And the earth will be gone. This will last 3-1/2
days long. What happens with people who don't know these things is they
fall asleep and start dreaming.
If you want to you can just sit there in the dream process. But remember
whatever you think is going to happen.
Just realise you are about to be born again. No problem. God is perfect.
This has happened many times before. But it's new to us now. It may be like
dying; you'll remember you life and see the things you've done, etc.
Someone asked a question about family members and loved ones.
Drunvalo answered: Jesus said about this time, "There will be two of you in
bed and I will take one of you and one of you I will not." But that was
speaking to a few are chosen scenario, which is usually what happens. You
can only do so much to help someone through this process. When you go
through the Great Void, all that will disappear and you will be all by
yourself. All these people who are following gurus thinking they will
follow them through will not be able to do that. While you are alive help
you can help them as much as you can. But ultimately,You're on your own.
All that will be there is you and God. Whether you make it is determined by
WHO you are.
End of this letter. Next is what happens to you when you come out the other
side into the 4th dimension the likes of which you've never seen.
Everyone has eternal life. Some just don't know it.
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voyageronline.net/~voltron
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