1997/03/21 21:43
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #109
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 109
Today's Topics:
Re: Lobster snack
lurker peeking out
Re: DNFEC
Re: this is My story
Re: return from Planet Zod
Meditational Music
Re: music
Re: Lobster snack
Did you hug a lobster today?
copy of posting with search engine
Re: Music
Re: Meditational Music
Re: copy of posting with search engine
Re: Meditational Music
Magick
Re: Lobster snack
<<<<<A Change in the Weather
. . . from nothing
Re: Meditational Music
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
MY TRIP TO THE MOON
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #108
Re: The Enlightened
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:40:07 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: morganaATnospambest.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lobster snack
Message-ID: <3332C7F7.C9BATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Morgana Wyze wrote:
> E,
> all this talk about food, you're making me hungry. Thanks for the great
> poem from the Prophet and thanks for the web link.
Pleasure!
My Dearest Morgana Wyze,
- are you Wyze as in wise or otherwise?
> Y'know, I've always felt- purely personal- that "enlightenment" is just
> the word for an ongoing process (getting lighter- lo-fat diet for the
> soul?) and not a destination.
Both.
You get to a stage
go through a process
get to a stage
go through a process
become enlightened
go beyond
start again
round and round we go
last lifetime?
who cares
get to a stage
go through a process
etc.
> I'd feel funny thinking it's a destination...I picture myself standing
> at a really lonely, desolate train stop in the middle of
> nowhere..waiting, waiting. I don't like to wait, I'd rather get on with
> life and let what happens, happen.
Kundalites,
we are on a journey
we have somewhere to go
we have travelling companions
free lobster
we do not need a driver
just people to stoke the engines
(Dan can be the driver if that makes him happy)
Yes it is a *train*
journey
and as the *train*
snakes through the night
the engine lets off steam
final destination?
onward . . .
onward . . .
> Again, purely personal, for me
> this process is about surrender and trust
> and learning to be profoundly grateful.
Life, Love and oppurtunity
has been bestowed on you
(clue: it's in the sad sack)
therefore give;
Give in remberance of that which has bestowed
and throw away that sack
Away sack!
here is Joy . . .
> Oh yeah, I've met a couple of people that I thought of as being
> "enlightened" (definition: lighter than me with my sad sack of shit
> which is, thank you, getting lighter)
Dan, Dan oh Dan . . . - blast of white lite for the sad sack
I thank you.
Lighter still more . . .
> and they were giggly. They laughed and giggled at everything. One of
> them was the grandson of Ghandi. Wise and fun.
Well If I was the grandson of Ghandi - that would be funny.
Did they have no reverance?
Giggling Ghandis eh?
Makes you wonder what the world is coming to . . .
Most Kind regards
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:42:27 +0100
From: marivoATnospamworldnet.fr
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: lurker peeking out
Message-Id: <199703211442.PAA16117ATnospamcentaure.worldnet.net>
About a month ago one of the fabulous members of this list generously gave
an address of a lightning search engine which i quickly and gratefully
bookmarked. I've been using it regularly since.
Only, ooops! I just deleted it by mistake. Does anyone have that address
or know what i'm talking about?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:21:31 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: DNFEC
Message-ID: <970321102130_-1337521436ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
How ignorant I must be, it took me days to decode IMHO, but what the heck
does DNFEC mean? "do not feed elongated cabdrivers?"
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:39:10 -0600 (CST)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: this is My story
Message-Id: <199703211539.JAA10544ATnospamdfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Hello,
Sounds like you have integrated the lesson of letting the 'little
demons' go that so many cherish, suckle, and cling to their breasts to
feed on their body and psyche. They look down at their demon's
contorted, syphonopterid faces and delightedly proclaim to the world,
"Look on the spectacular, unique, hideousness of MY demon." "Is it not
truly, magnificently horrid and am I not worthy of your admiring pity
for the spectacular job I perform in feeding its gluttony?"
God, I hate it when I discover myself doing that (don't think I kid
myself about not doing it)! It is, though, so human, so part of our
condition. When the blood-bloated succubus is given its walking papers
and scuttles into the far distance shrinking in perspective until it
finally disappears with a little, insignificant pop, I feel a weight
lifted as if I had been clinging to a heavy, hot stone. Like the
vampire victim's flush of recovery when the stake is driven home I
discover that what I had been lavishing with love was searing my soul.
Yours is not an 'entertaining' story, it is a morality play. A tale
of valuable lessons learned ... a life lived; not relinquished.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF(RelisherofFables)
(I KNOW ... not more love and light. The withholding of love is one of
the most self-destructive ways in which we seek to 'punish' others. To
see ones own foibles, experience a good-humored laugh and be
en(light)ened is a real step in personal growth. Both have been
valuable in my journey and continue to be so.)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:46:40 -0800
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: return from Planet Zod
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970321174640.0068e0a4ATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>
At 08:33 AM 3/21/97 -0800, you wrote:
>
>So I welcome Dan's offer
>Dan, Dan - take care of me.
>Any more of that white light?
>send loads to Ken McFarland (tree hugger extrodinaire)
>(white lite coming your way, Ken)
>
>Humility and enlightenment are *not* synonymous
>but they are preferable
>as is courtesy
>and the lesson is
>lessen . . .
>
>
>Most kind Regards
>(the warm and fuzzy and too modest
>to be humble) Lobster
Thank you Lobster,
and yes Dan,
I can use all the white light I can get.
If you have been follow my posts, I am struggling with ego stuff - my
constant need to try to "look good" in order to be love-worthy. I know it is
not the way to enlightenment, but it is a difficult script to let go of.
So yes Dan, any white light you can send my way will be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:56:52 -0800
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Meditational Music
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970321175652.00665258ATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>
Greetings to All,
I am trying to compile a K-list list of meditational music.
If you, like certain crustaceans I am friends with, prefer silence in the deep,
please send a note to that effect, and I will add same to the list list.
Ken
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:38:58 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: music
Message-ID: <3332D5C2.62CDATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
oops, I forgot:
Monkees: "I'm a Believer"
seriously!
(do not underestimate the spirituality of 12 year olds!)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 14:16:39 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lobster snack
Message-Id: <9703211916.AA09597ATnospamsuperaje.com>
Mary wrote:
...sitting here with bib on........
DRAWN BUTTER, WE NEED DRAWN BUTTER...........will someone PLEASE pass the
drawn butter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lighthearted traveller
Mo :-)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 13:59:45 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Did you hug a lobster today?
Message-Id: <9703211859.AA09362ATnospamsuperaje.com>
Dear crustation,
You're a cuddly little fellow aren't you?
(((((((((((((HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS))))))))))))
a lighthearted traveller,
Mo :-)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:18:43 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
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Subject: copy of posting with search engine
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Dear Lobster,
I have been lurking for some time and I am always delighted by your wisdom and wit. Because of my own script, which I call intellectualized narcissistic avoidance of shame, I am hypersensitive to ego-driven discourse. Of course, my discourse is always healthy and non ego-centric. In any case, I appreciate your healthy self-awareness and the outflow of love. I see in your persona an analog for my salvation.
For everyone who likes search engines try this one, it will put you in orbit:
http://www.j-g.com/search/
My most kind regards to you,
Ken.
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:05:12 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Music
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970321130500.0068c1e8ATnospampopd.ix.netcom.com>
Hello Ken,
A great song is "The Wall" by Kansas Also " Song for America" and "No One
Together" are good songs by Kansas.
But I find rather than meditating to a certain music, I just listen to a
certain music and it kind of puts me into a trance or a higher vibration.
It is the Language of all beings.
Have fun.
John Halonen
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:17:08 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditational Music
Message-ID: <3332DEB4.5554ATnospambest.com>
Ken McFarland wrote:
>
> Greetings to All,
>
> I am trying to compile a K-list list of meditational music.
> If you, like certain crustaceans I am friends with, prefer silence in the deep,
> please send a note to that effect, and I will add same to the list list.
>
> Ken
Current favorite:
double album:
>From The Goddess O Great Spirit
by; On Wings of Song & Robert Gass
Morgana
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:04:54 -0500 (EST)
From: DouglasMFATnospamaol.com
To: morganaATnospambest.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: copy of posting with search engine
Message-ID: <970321150452_-1873444339ATnospamemout09.mail.aol.com>
Dear Group,
If you all are looking for the best search search engine on the net I
would reccomend www.search.com.
keep the peace,
-doug
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:17:40 -0800
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: "Lough, Jimmy" <jloughATnospamczn.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditational Music
Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970321201740.0066e9ecATnospamoregon.uoregon.edu>
At 01:22 PM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Ken. I know someone already mentioned Celtic music, but I wanted to
>give it another plug. Back in December I bought one of the Celtic
>Christmas CD. I really enjoy it, even through out the year.
>
>Jimmy Lough
Thanks Jimmy.
Who out there can give us a title and musician or group for the best Celtic
music for meditation?
Ken
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:46:19 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: mysticATnospammostly.com
Subject: Magick
Message-ID: <33332BDB.BBAATnospamdial.pipex.com>
THE POWERLESS MAGICIAN
Ever since a child you have believed in magic. Now be an adult so that
magic believes in you. Magic believes in the impossible and the doing
thereof. Still the child within grows strong.
The Old Gods live to bow to the Supreme Authority. Bow to the Angelic
Forces as they honour you. Only the Slaves are your Master.
The Holy Truth dies continually to be reborn. Truth will dissolve all
obstacles. Be glad to laugh and shine.
Understand half as much as you think you know to be twice as wise as a
fool. Know nothing and be wise. Supreme Ignorance has been corrupted by
the need to know.
Knowledge is non-existent. Ask a question to be told a lie. Forget the
question.
Here is a secret. There are no secrets that have not been told. Do not
mistake information for knowledge. Information you give freely.
Knowledge exists for those who exchange wisdom.
Magic is both symbolic and actual. Understand the nature of nature and
you will succeed. Success has no value but may be befitting.
Knowledge that is secretly hidden is protected by its openness. The
esoteric is for the mystifiers and befuddled. Real knowledge is
unveiled. Real knowledge glares as Bright as the Moon, Dark as the Sun.
The Highest Knowledge reveals continually, unveiling the intricacy of
complexity. Why do you knock on doors that have always been open?
If you wish to see the future concentrate on the present and understand
the past.
You are Magic. Your Power is Overwhelming. You have none.
(c) ARC 1995
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:36:14 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lobster snack
Message-Id: <v01540b00af58a11a8469ATnospam[156.46.121.219]>
Um, Lobster, I have to admit, I kind of thought you *were* the grandson of
Ghandi! 8^) Jim
>Well If I was the grandson of Ghandi - that would be funny.
>Did they have no reverance?
>Giggling Ghandis eh?
>Makes you wonder what the world is coming to . . .
>
>
>Most Kind regards
>Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:07:36 -0800
From: "Daniel L. Rusch-Fischer" <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: k list posting address <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: <<<<<A Change in the Weather
Message-ID: <3332F898.4351ATnospamix.netcom.com>
The orb above burns brighter now, a hot, sere wind blows from the
parched dry sands of the South. Over the wall and down the paths it
pants, the myst that of late, iroides made; now dries the droplets like
a lioness licking her newborn cub and with her hot breath celebrates
life anew; the same and always.
As the nest of light and color dissipates, the egg is integrated into
the serpent and becomes one with it as its head rises and an oval hood
opens. The hummingbird dances with the serpent and in their sinuous
sarabande insinuates with it until the hooded serpent holds it head up
in the center of the garden with its ovate hood spread and now
ember-like eyes darting fiery sparks.
The thought 'Quetzelcoatl' comes to mind and is met with a paternal
smile and the whispered response, "Huitzlhuitl; no more; forever!"
The color that was the nest and the rainbow is now seen shining from
the flowers themselves, refreshed, recharged, ready to dazzle the senses
with resplendence.
Am I the ONLY one that gets weird at the equinox and even worse at
solstices? Shoot, noone even noticed. Actually, neither did I until I
found myself baying at the eclipsed moon.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF(RufF)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:36:47 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
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Subject: . . . from nothing
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Here is a little something from Hazrat Inayat Khan regarding
intelligence
and how a human comes to be "the truth":
“The world was created out of darkness,” says the Qur´an. This darkness
may be explained as the Unknown, the Unseen, as that which is beyond
human
perception and imagination and explanation, as that state of existence
which language fails to describe. The Knowers have spoken of One Only
Being; the absolute, omnipotent and omnipresent, nameless, formless,
birthless and deathless, while the mystics speak of a perfect restful
and
peaceful state; it is this background of the universe that is meant by
the
word darkness, the beginning and end of all. Within it there awakened,
of
its own innate nature, the Consciousness of its existence, unlimited by
knowledge of form and space — as a mirror in which as yet nothing is
reflected. This state the Sufi calls ‘Ilm; that is, the Pure
Intelligence.
It is the tendency of the intelligence to seek an object; even as the
eyes
seek something to look at, and the ears desire to hear. This first
activity of the intelligence may be called love, or will, or desire; the
Sufis name it ‘Ishq. It is this Love, or Will, inherent in
Intelligence,
that spread forth its power and caused the manifestation of itself; and
passing through various grades of names and forms, arrived at that
physical
plane called Insan by the Sufis, where it experiences life upon earth,
under many shapes and forms, and finally as the human being. This state
of
the experience of Intelligence is called Wujud.
And when the human being in his turn arrives at the knowledge of the
original state of existence, he becomes the ideal of creation; that is
to
say, man becomes the ideal being when he becomes conscious of that
original
existence in which the spirit that is within him was not conscious of
anything in the absence of any object to view. Out of Himself, God
produced His manifestation, His means of becoming conscious; and now
each
manifestation of Himself calls out, “I,” not knowing its True Self. But
when the individual intelligence frees itself from this delusion, and
recognizes its immortal existence, then it becomes master of all states
of
being; it becomes that ideal being whose bliss cannot be equaled on
earth
nor surpassed in Heaven. This state in the experience of Intelligence,
when the knower becomes known to Himself is called Shuhud; and in this
the
aim of life is accomplished.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:35:07 -0800
From: MAX PRESCOTT <sumacATnospamwin.bright.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditational Music
Message-ID: <33331B2B.39B1ATnospamwin.bright.net>
I would love to know about the Celtic music too. One of my favorites
Celtic CD's, although not for meditation is called "About Time" by Baal
Tinne. I do not listen to music myself when I meditate because I like
the silence, but when I do healing or intuitive consultations: Celtic
Christmas I and II, LoReena McKennitt's music, and Dream Spiral by Hilary
Stagg are some of my favorites. Love and Light, Colleen
sumacATnospamwin.bright.net
Ken McFarland wrote:
>
> At 01:22 PM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Ken. I know someone already mentioned Celtic music, but I wanted to
> >give it another plug. Back in December I bought one of the Celtic
> >Christmas CD. I really enjoy it, even through out the year.
> >
> >Jimmy Lough
>
> Thanks Jimmy.
>
> Who out there can give us a title and musician or group for the best Celtic
> music for meditation?
>
> Ken
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:15:03 -1000 (HST)
From: bob thonen <thumperATnospamamorous.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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upon arrival at this site, i realized that
cyberconsciousness could be a high tech form of lucid dreaming,
if so, might it also be an epoptae (sp?) doorway?
bob in north carolina
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tx90829ATnospamaol.com, voltronATnospamvoy.net,
"William P. Becker" <maxATnospamgoldrush.com>, Yashah <alahoyATnospamzachnet.com>
Subject: MY TRIP TO THE MOON
Message-Id: <v01530501af58a49f4be0ATnospamDialupEudora>
MY TRIP TO THE MOON
THREE WEEKS AFTER VIEWING THE VIDEO TAPES OF THE FLOWER OF LIFE WORKSHOP I
BEGAN MEDITATING IN EARNEST. I COULD NOT WAIT TO SPREAD MY WINGS AND FLY.
ONE NIGHT IN DECEMBER, 1994, I FINISHED MY 17TH BREATH AND SAT IN THE
SILENCE FOR 30 MINUTES. THEN I BEGAN TO SEE A LIGHT IN MY ROOM. I KNEW THIS
WAS COMING FROM MY THIRD EYE SO I USED A YOGA TECHNIQUE FOR MAGNIFYING IT
(JYOTI MUDRA). I SET UP PARAMETERS AROUND MY ROOM SO THE LIGHT WOULD NOT
ESCAPE. THEN I MAGNIFIED THE LIGHT BY CONCENTRATING ON IT. LIKE A LASER
BEAM IT BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH UNTIL IT REACHED FULL MAGNITUDE. MY
INTENTION WAS TO FLY TO THE MOON. I BURST THROUGH THE CEILING AND WENT UP
INTO THE SKY. BUT BEFORE I GOT TO THE MOON I HIT A KIND OF WIRE. IT FLASHED
LIKE IT HAD ENERGY OF ITS OWN; SOMETHING LIKE A BUG ZAPPER. ONLY IT DIDN'T
HURT ME.
I came back down into my body. I was so frustrated I built up the
light again and shot back up with more force. I hit the CHRIST
CONSCIOUSNESS GRID with even more force but this time I hit the grid and
more lights went off. It looked like chicken wire from up there. I hit it
repeatedly until a voice told me, "You better stop doing that. You'll get
into trouble if you continue. GET BACK DOWN TO EARTH!" A word to the wise
is sufficient. I got back into my body and stayed there. The electrical
lights in the room were turned off already so I sat in the darkness
contemplating what the warning could have meant. I remembered reading how
the monks during the dark ages wore dark cloaks with hoods on them. It was
for the purpose of protecting themselves from detection when they became
illuminated. The belief at the time was that the devil could see your light
if you were illuminated. He would then swoop in and tempt you or steal the
light from you. Drunvalo said the modern day counterpart of the devil was
the secret government. I heard they had discovered the GRID and had
"hot-wired" it to use for their own purposes. One of which was to detect
flying saucers coming into our atmosphere. Could they also have detected my
attempts to escape earth? SO THE NEXT TIME I MEDITATED I PUT UP MY CLOAKS
FIRST. Then I made myself go into the 4th dimension so I could go
through the grid.
I did finally go to the moon. It contained people there who are in
underground bases. The officers sit at tables where they can view large TV
screens. Some of the screens view various parts of earth. They can even
tune in to an individual person. All those implanted on earth can be viewed
that way. But besides the surveillance use, they can also send waves to
earth to affect the weather. Of course they have methods to detect incoming
comets and space ships. Are they protecting the earth from outer space
invasion? But how do they know the good guys from the bad guys? They may be
keeping away visitors who may have our best interests at heart. How would
we know the difference? The Pleiadians and Acturians and Tau Cetis and
Andromedans and the Vegans are our friends. How will our friends ever get
to us if they are shot down by wild cowboys? This is the mess we are in. We
are what everybody is fighting over. Humans are precious for our DNA
because it contains the genes of 22 extraterresterials. What we ought to do
is build our merkabas and fly out of here.
When the shift hits the fan and catastrophes take place on earth,
people will be scrambling for a way out. Since the evil ones, handmaidens
of the devil, had planted many hydrogen bombs and biological weapons around
the earth which they can detonate from the moon before we can be rescued by
outer space vehicles, the only means of escape right now is for each person
to form vehicles of ascension and get out of here.
Till then, I remain yours in Peace, Love and Happiness...Jon
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:17:13 -0600
From: FIute <FIuteATnospamprodigy.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #108
Message-ID: <33334F39.6F78ATnospamprodigy.net>
Hello everyone,
Miss Me.. Wow have I been busy!!!
and the Eclipse says we all are in for changes..
love and light,
flute
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:00:47 -0900 (AKST)
From: Jason <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Enlightened
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321184900.4741A-100000ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, E Jason wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
> > (a) define enlightenment (be as detailed as possible)
>
> It is the dissollution of the self in the absolute.
> The individual personal awareness no longer exists.
>
>
> > (b) explain how one can attain Nirvana (once again, be specific)
>
> It is a process of refinement - of leaving behind the particular
> accidents of ones nature.
> Examine and discard.
>
>
> > (c) give us the properties of an enlightened being (behavior)
>
> They are the Hand and Eyes of God.
> Who is foolish enough to describe such things?
>
Buddha was. What a twit. :-) Of course, Buddha also denied the existence
of a Supreme God (though I'm pondering why he might have said such a
thing... probably just to reinforce self-reliance and give the Hindu
fundies the finger :-).
>
> > (d) tell us the Purpose (included this because I need assistance with it)
>
> You have been bestowed Being and self awareness as a gift.
> You have the oppurtunity to grow to ultimate awareness and to merge
> with that which gave you that Being.
>
>
> > (e) explain why God does or does not interfere (theism vs deism)
>
> See above.
>
As in, God does not interfere, and the question "How could a just God...?"
is meaningless because we did it all to ourselves. Read Robert Monroe's
books, they are somewhat 'enlightening'. :P
>
> > Do not take this in an incorrect manner. Buddha himself said to question
> > all his teachings. Blind faith sustains... it does not raise up.
>
>
> Most Kind Regards
> (the clearly unenlightened
> - see above) Lobster
This was meant for Dan. *slap slap* He stated that it could not be
explained (or was it that we would not understand?). Oh well. I did
expect the conventional answers to be given, no surprise there. I have,
however, proved something! It is unlikely in the extreme that an
unenlightened being has the ability to provide a winning lottery number.
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"Every day people are straying away from church and going back to God."
-Lenny Bruce
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