1997/03/20 16:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #107
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 107
Today's Topics:
Re:Music
Re: music
Re: Return From Afar
Enlightenment
Re:Dan's return: methinks Peter sees clearly
Return from a time
Dan's return:Tom has right idea
Re: Return From Afar
Re:mystical heresey
Re: Dan's return:Tom has right idea
Re: Dan's return:Tom has right idea
Re:mystical heresey
Re: Dan's return: methinks Peter sees clearly
Re: Return From Afar
Re: OK I'll judge too
the nature of enlightenment and the Tao of Yogi Tom
Re: Return From Afar
Re: leylines in cyberspace ?
New Member - Introduction
re: return from afar
Re: New Member - Introduction
re: return from afar
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:37:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "anita grayson" <eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Music
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I listen to music a lot. Celtic music I find has a spiritual
feeling. The Celts were a spiritual people, and you can feel it in
the music of the Irish. Very old Welsh music sounds like India music.
Irish flute I love. The Earthyness is what I love and the music that
comes from the soul. The spirit within. The love of the music shines
through. I also like lyrical music for the meanings of the words.
Spiritual or personal. The Indigo Girls are my favorite and sing a
song of Kundalini. When I get the lyrics I will post them. Nature
sounds are great, very relaxing. Even space sounds are very meditat-
ive. Symphonies of the Planets is one I like to meditate to. There
are sounds of Tibeten bowls, human voices, etc. out there from the
Earth, planets and moons. These sounds are from Voyagers journey
out in space.
Joannie Madden- Irish Flute
Celtic Twilight
Patirick Ball Celtic Harp Sounds like bells
R.Carlos Nakai Native American flute
Anita
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:05:30 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: music
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Nothing Is wrote:
>
> Just curious as to how kundalini or any yoga, etc. has affected peoples
> taste, interest and listening to music.
thanks for the great list of tunes, look forward to finding
some of them.
Here are some songs that have actually provoked some kind of experience
for me:
Mahalia Jackson: "City Called Heaven"
Robin Trower: "For Earth Below"
Robin Trower: "Bridge of Sighs"
Jefferson Airplane: "House at Pooneil Corner"
Charley Musselwhite: "Christo Redemptor"
Patti Smith: "Seven Ways of Going"
Patti Smith: "Frederick"
video of "Amazing Grace" by Bill Moyers with many singers
Peter Gabriel: "Solsbury Hill"
Peter Gabriel: "Secret World"
Sandy Denny: "Who Knows Where the Time Goes"
Kate Wolf: "Give Yourself to Love"
Kate Wolf: "The Great Divide"
Bob Dylan: "Chimes of Freedom"
Bob Marley: "Redemption Song"
Bob Marley: "Exodus"
Simon and Garfunkel: "Mrs Robinson"
Simon and Garfunkel: "The Boxer"
music has really been an influence on me, it touches the ancestors
within who spent many a night clapping hands and singing and
chanting around the fire feeling the energy rise within and without.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:15:18 -0800
From: Peggy Freeman <pfreemanATnospamstanford.edu>
To: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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Dan,
I am new to this list and have read your postings with great interest.
There is a lot I can respond to. However, because I've promised to take my
daughter out for a walk, I'll keep this short. I have but one question, and
honestly, this is not meant as a flame, or condemnation, but more of a
question to you and everybody else on the list:
If you have been enlightened, but haven't yet integrated it into your body
and your life, then are you truly enlightened?
This is something I'm working on, and let me tell you, I'm nowhere near
where you are or have been.
Love & Light (not that you need any more, apparently! :) )
-- Peggy
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:43:59 -0800 (PST)
From: dorATnospamhlc.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Enlightenment
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Dan:
The beauty of a flower, the freshness of the Spring rain, the morning sun,
and the light of the moon, are free, and so are opinions.
No matter where you are, who you are, what you have experienced, or where
your sojourn has taken you, welcome back!
love 'n light dor
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:41:43 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Dan's return: methinks Peter sees clearly
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Dear Peter,
Please don't change your lightheartedness ...I like your sense of
humor......there is much wisdom in humor...........this spiritual journey
must be taken with a sense of humor if one is to arrive with all faculties
intact I do believe..........be careful of those who believe they are any
higher than the rest of us.
>From another light-hearted traveller
Mo :-)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:42:27 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenjATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Return from a time
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I haven't been on the list in a while and apparently Dan came back at the
same time as me. So I have just been watching for a day and find it very
interesting. My energy continues on changing and doing strange things.
Ups, Downs. I don't think I'm enlightened yet so I keep listening and
learning from everything I can. Lately each day seems to get clearer.
It's pretty neat.
Music is a beautiful thing. Sometimes it seems I almost search for good
music as hard as I search for the truth. That makes me think that music is
pretty important, at least to me. It can make you cry, shiver and sometimes
make you feel like you're floating.
What does the term subjective longevity mean to anyone?
Love and Light and Musical Vibrations.
John Halonen
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 15:08:36 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dan's return:Tom has right idea
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Tom Wrote:(to Dan)
How's the weather up there with the God's.
May I please quote from an excellent book I am reading and HIGHLY recommend
for any of you struggling with spiritual awakening.........AHEM!
memememe....la, la, la.......
OK here goes:
"One of the most common problems is that (psychic experiencers) begin to
get an inflated idea of themselves or the uniqueness of their abilities. In
general, I have found four common problems that people have in adjusting to
psychic gifts...
1. They may become self-inflated, thinking that they have a rare gift and
that they are special. or they inflate the importance of the abilities
themselves.
2. They may incorrectly believe that their psychic information is infallable..."
"...delusions of grandeur are another sign that negative psychological
reactions may worsen. Experiencers may assume that their experiences have
far greater significance than they actually do, or may even begin to think
they are divine messengers or have been given the secret of the universe......."
I wonder if Dan has considered he may be having some problems......or
considered that some of us may have been up in that "field" waiting for him?
(Not ME of course! *giggle*)
For an EXCELLENT perspective and joy I recommend:
A FARTHER SHORE..HOW NEAR-DEATH AND OTHER EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCES CAN
CHANGE ORDINARY LIVES.......Yvonne Kason, MD. and Teri
Degler...HarperCollins....Toronto, Canada
Kason is a big-time Toronto physician who has had a kundalini
awakening......wonderful book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace all,
Mo :-)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:15:07 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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At 11:15 AM 3/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Dan,
>I am new to this list and have read your postings with great interest.
>There is a lot I can respond to. However, because I've promised to take my
>daughter out for a walk, I'll keep this short. I have but one question, and
>honestly, this is not meant as a flame, or condemnation, but more of a
>question to you and everybody else on the list:
welcome aboard! :)
>If you have been enlightened, but haven't yet integrated it into your body
>and your life, then are you truly enlightened?
interesting question, and probably can only be answered philosophically.
Like the age old question: if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one
to hear it, does it make a sound? who knows... I can only tell you how I
feel, and what I sense. Since I am integrating, I'd have to answer yes, but
since it's not complete, perhaps the answer is not completely. Even the
collective can't answer this one. :) How's that for an honest answer?
>This is something I'm working on, and let me tell you, I'm nowhere near
>where you are or have been.
don't put yourself down. No one is "better" than anyone else. And no one is
perfect, not even me, or the rest of us up here or over here, or whatever. :)
Be confident in your own stage of developement, and move forward.
>Love & Light (not that you need any more, apparently! :) )
ack! :) No, not more love and light! AUGH! <snicker> Anything but that! :)
oh joy... no make it stop! <just kidding!> want some energy? sure you do! :)
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 15:39:32 EST
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:mystical heresey
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Dan wrote:
kundalini is spontaneous, don't need guru.
Dear Dan........having had a spontaneous awakening myself also...(NEVER
heard of kundalini)...I believe most don't need gurus as well.
HOWEVER it sure would have been nice to have one around to say to me...."oh
don't worry, that's just your kundalini hanging out....".....would have
saved me a lot of emotional anguish......."
a lighthearted traveller
Mo :-)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:55:55 -0600 (CST)
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:07:59 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dan's return:Tom has right idea
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At 03:08 PM 3/20/97 EST, you wrote:
>Tom Wrote:(to Dan)
>OK here goes:
>
>I wonder if Dan has considered he may be having some problems......or
>considered that some of us may have been up in that "field" waiting for him?
>(Not ME of course! *giggle*)
of course, this is one of the reasons I'm here, to see if any of the other
6 people are on this list, not that it really matters terribly, but
curiousity is a curse. :)
>For an EXCELLENT perspective and joy I recommend:
>A FARTHER SHORE..HOW NEAR-DEATH AND OTHER EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCES CAN
>CHANGE ORDINARY LIVES.......Yvonne Kason, MD. and Teri
>Degler...HarperCollins....Toronto, Canada
>Kason is a big-time Toronto physician who has had a kundalini
>awakening......wonderful book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now this is the first intelligent thing I've heard on this list (well,
almost). I've read the book, and actually seen Dr. Kason a number of times,
talked to her in person. I saw her last year when I had my Kundalini, she
was the first person I spoke to about it. Fascinating stuff.
So needless to say I'm familiar with all that stuff, having read the book
and all, and understand it. I just have one question for everyone because
it seems you are only striking back at me because you seem to think your
own egos have been bruised, so here goes:
what's so hard about accepting that someone has actually become
enlightened, what's the big deal, and why are you all so frightened? Does
the truth of your own awakening scare you that much, fill you with that
much fear?
I think I'm beginning to understand how that other person I connected with
"one level down" was feeling, and why. Someday I may explain this, for now,
it probably wouldn't make sense.
Light and love to all of you.
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:11:28 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:mystical heresey
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At 03:39 PM 3/20/97 EST, you wrote:
>Dear Dan........having had a spontaneous awakening myself also...(NEVER
>heard of kundalini)...I believe most don't need gurus as well.
>HOWEVER it sure would have been nice to have one around to say to me...."oh
>don't worry, that's just your kundalini hanging out....".....would have
>saved me a lot of emotional anguish......."
>a lighthearted traveller
>Mo :-)
precisely why I'm here! It's like I felt when I talked to Dr. Kason the
first time, "oh you're just having a spiritual emergency, you should come
in for an appointment". yep, those are pretty much the exact words. And I'm
still pushing the envelope these days, because otherwise I get bored, well,
almost (ever notice how hard it is to become bored when you're content?) :)
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:15:45 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dan's return: methinks Peter sees clearly
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Dominic & Maureen Marando wrote:
>
>this spiritual journey must be taken with a sense of humor
Hi, thanks.
once upon a time, feeling the 'spiritual inflation' that comes
with the occasional 'breakthrough', I ran around a Zen center during
a meditation retreat believing I was the only enlightened person
there, and asking everyone with piercing intensity, 'what is your
attainment?'. After a day of that they kicked me out. But what
I would have given for a little understanding and sympathy!
It's enough to break your heart! So, even though I think it
is pretty funny now, there have been times when it drove me
to tears.
As Kate Wolf sings:
"You must give yourself to love,
If love is what you're after,
Open up your heart to the tears and laughter."
cheers
Peter
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:58:30 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> There was nowhere to go, no one to talk to. Yes, I've talked to psychics,
> spiritualists, seers, Shamans, and even those with over 20 years of
> Shambhala experience, and saught out lama's, and remote viewers, reiki
> healers, and KRN (Kundalini Research Network), clairvoyants, and many many
> others but I still had questions and experiences which I had no one to talk
> to, or ask. And those I did, didn't seem to have any answers.
Perhaps you would humour us with some of those
unanswarable question?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:17:20 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: SeraphinsATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: OK I'll judge too
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Hi Susan,
thank you for posting,
> There is little stuff on this list (written in earnest) that will not teach
> someone something. Like artwork, the understanding is in the mind/spirit of
> the reader.
Right.
We live in a multi-faceted reality
each sees through a different face
People constantly say
well I would post
but am worried by peoples possible reaction.
I read everyones comments and ideas
and I know many, many others do
and each voice adds . . .
> I would get more involved in some of the discourses, which weave their own
> web, but my Virgo rising can make posting an editing nightmare. It's easier
> to lurk.
Yes but its more fun to interact - you know that?
We need diversity . . .
> I agree with Ori (Mahakala : ) ) about Buddha or any teacher. Learn what you
> can from everyone and every situation, but remember that as humans, we are
> all fallible.
Yes.
We all make mistakes
I remember the time I thought
I really was a lobster
When I realised what a foolish illusion that was
my antennea nearly fell off . . .
> What is not love is fear, and nothing else . . .
Fear is not an option
Lots of Love
+Lobster
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:02:41 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the nature of enlightenment and the Tao of Yogi Tom
Message-ID: <c9fS1LAhfZMzEwkuATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
dear yogis et al, this enlightenment debate is very interesting, because
quite clearly there is a quite profound transcendental experience going
on here, but I'm not so sure it helps to call it enlightenment as even
in a sympathetic environment like the kundalini list it tends to provoke
ridicule and argument which is not the essence of the enlightenment
experience at all - is it ? or maybe it is ? who knows.....the problem
of the spiritual life is this sense of "I", are we talking about a
divine "I" here that has replaced the mundane knot of conditioning as in
the sense "I AM" or "SO HAM" or "NETI NETI" (Adi da seems fond of using
it in this way in his later books - he talks like he is the void itself,
and maybe he is, who knows, I've certtainly received tons of energy from
meditating on a picture of him several years ago.... ) or are we just
talking about a supercharged psychic/subtle energy experience that is
mistaken by the deepest layers of conditioning for attainment of God
realisation, buddhahood etc simply because it is so beautiful and
liberating after mundane ego existence....there are various levels of
energy transmission in the transcendental realm so simply being able to
bless others is no safe criterion that there is nothing else to do or
be....as a buddhist, I am as interested in insight and understanding and
nature of relationship as mystical state which contributes, in very
subtle and deep way, to spiritual ego developing....so let me tell you
where this is all leading...since others are so open on this list, I'll
let on too about the closest I reckon I'll ever come to "enlightenment"
- attentionwas centreed in heart and energy got inside head after 13
years of working on body and mind, and very esoteric process of
dissolution of all sense attachment and structured consciousness and
linear perception of time, space and causality, occurred over several
days when all I had to do was lie absolutely still and not move at all,
barely breathing or sleeping, eating only a little fruit every two or
three days - whole metabolism running on light....as brain dissolved
mundane experience and sense attachment, very gently felt urge to ever
so slowly do mudras I knew from Buddhist iconography, understood very
subtle power and deep meaning of these...bit like being given lecture by
energy in nature of reality, along with mantras came very subtle
understanding of secrets of mantra and mandalas and yidams had
experienced in past....still a spectator, but whole experience
incredibly subtle, needed total awareness, lost all track of time or
where I was etc for what turned out to be weeks...then various symbolic
forms unfolded over two or three days very gently and understood the
meaning of all this was that Tom had to unify all these symbolic forms
for the Tantric path and make them accessible to Western mind. or, well,
these forms and energies were going to use Tom as a medium....quite
happy to embrace and live with Allah, Christ and God, Buddha,
Shiva....only had to transmit a form of words for others, too early for
descent of avatars in purest forms as ego too resistance and vision too
wayward...too dangerous for another buddha....so a journo is perfect,
just respond to the great editor in the sky rather than mundane
events....as soon as "I" tried to hold onto sublime experience of
insight whole body and mind seized up, tied in knots, Tom just conduit
for all this wisdom energy.....so this isn't enlightenment, this is loss
of all identity in conventional sense and all autonomy in mundane sense
as light and energy took control, buddha's plaything, touched by hand of
God - long fight, wrestling with angel, nice metaphor...surely total
emptiness is the best we can aim for...so many beings suffering, so much
madness and ignorance, need to start cutting through illusion...if you
know what I mean...sort of...so that's it - the attempt to articulate
the great mystery of empty skull of Tantra...rough and ready, totally
inadequate to profound nature of experience, but a pointer to others who
may have/will experience similar phenomena..came years after state of
mystical union that assumed for a while was the end of the affair...but
after Brahman comes sunyata....hope adds a new dimension to debate...
Regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:01:41 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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At 05:58 PM 3/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Perhaps you would humour us with some of those
>unanswarable question?
I said at that time, past tense. I'm sure current listies have many
questions. Even a simple question like "what is kundalini" cannot be
answer. Or what is "prana" ? does prana really exist? how about the soul?
what's the purpose of life? Does 6 x 9 really equal 42? AND...
the number one question asked by people related to kundalini:
"what's happening to me?" (what's going on?)
So there you go. but I no longer need answers to those questions, but I'm
sure other listies have similar or even the same questions. Let's take care
of them ok?
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:26:36 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
Subject: Re: leylines in cyberspace ?
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In message <3.0.32.19970320094256.00865470ATnospamvrx.net>, Dan Gahlinger
<danATnospamvrx.net> writes
>At 09:43 PM 3/19/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>fellow yogis,
>>could it be that we are creating leylines in cyberspace ? have been to
>>Glastonbury Tor and profound sense of eternal nature - total
>>understanding, no alienated aspect of self at all - earth, energy, sky..
>>so what about getting electronic feng shui masters to check out one's
>>sites and servers ? you may notice i'm on demon, which was not my
>>choice, but felt time was right to help such an unfortunately named
>>server transform their karma since have witnessed passing of many demons
>>within.....Tantra goes beyond purity......transmute anything, even
>>demons.....sacred and profane are one, samsara and nrvana, two in
>>one... >have dosing rod at ready......Yogi Tom
>
>don't you mean "dousing" rod? Anyhow, I marvel at how truly unenlightened
>and unknowledgable you are. Do you not know where the word "demon" comes
>from, especially in that part of the world? Think of the greek translation,
>which is "daemon". Believe it or not, such are not negative nor evil
>creatures at all. "daemon" strictly translated simply means "helper", this
>is after all why there are such processes in Unix, speak to any Unix
>programmer and you will quickly learn they know a good deal about "daemons"
>and how helpful these small wonders are. I believe it's only the messed up
>western beliefs which have altered this type of view, christianity helped a
>lot I think.
>
>As for feng shui, I work for a chinese company, and suggested it a few
>months ago, they just thought I was strange. :) But I thought it was a
>great idea. Did you know KRN (Kundalini Research Net) has a web site which
>is something like what you're looking for? Check it out.
>
>I've been involved with KRN for about two years now, and involved with
>spiritual, energy work, shamanism and such for over 21 years. I've been
>around.
>Yes, I've done so much, I've forgotten some of it.
>
>PS: sending some nice lovely white energy your way, just in case.
>Dan, one of the few enlightened.
>We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
>There Are Always Possibilities...
>
Dan, this is interesting, but still doesn't resolve problem of what
poured out of subconscious depths for several days in a row, most
unpleasant satan-like experience. just sat it out, but not nice at all.
certainly purification process, but just glad to be rid of whole damn
phenomena..and remember I am a Buddhist so didn't worry about devil etc
appreciate energy and will look for the sacred website and see if I get
a buzz from the great Mother Net that is shakti....
and thank you for handing on a speck of your enlightenment and knowledge
to this humble fakir....Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:20:34 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: New Member - Introduction
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My story is on my web page and you are welcome to read it. It is printed
below. My kundalini awakening occurred in 1971. I have written several
articles over the years which reflect my condition. I may share them with
the group when I get to know people better. I understand Dan's
situation.Ordinary people do not know we exhibit the same charasteristics
as normal people in most ways. Once upon a time, people would say, "If you
are so enlightened, why don't you do such-and-such. It is futile to tell
people what it feels like know God all the time, through all circumstances.
Sri Yukteswar told his disciple Yognanda in AUTOBIOBRAPHY OF A YOGI, "A
person could have all the power in the universe and still not know God."
When I see people comparing their enlightenment with another person, I also
remember the words of Yogananda, "The only way to tell your advancement on
the spiritual path is by the depth of Bliss you feel in Meditation."
I look forward to meeting the other members of this Kundalini Group.
Jon
Jon Locke
The Philosopher's Stone
http://www.voy.net/~voltron
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:33:26 -0500
From: Doug Houston <loraxATnospamworldpath.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: return from afar
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Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
> So there you go. but I no longer need answers to those questions, but I'm
> sure other listies have similar or even the same questions. Let's take care
> of them ok?
When I first posted to the list I was chastised for suggesting that my
may was better, (even though that was not my intent). Yet I came away
from the experience warm and fuzzy, and humbled in a most positive way.
It was a great growth experience. I choose not to be "taken care of" by
you. It appears that humility and enlightenment are not synonymous. I am
looking for the lesson in all this.
Sending warmth and love to Dan and all "listies"
Doug "lorax"
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:20:18 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: New Member - Introduction
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At 05:20 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>When I see people comparing their enlightenment with another person, I also
>remember the words of Yogananda, "The only way to tell your advancement on
>the spiritual path is by the depth of Bliss you feel in Meditation."
> I look forward to meeting the other members of this Kundalini Group.
>Jon
I'll have to check out your web site some time. Sounds interesting. Did he
say anything about feeling eternal (well, almost) bliss OUTSIDE of
meditation, like constant day to day thing? This is how I feel, most of the
time, if not always. I can't remember if it ever let up, not that I'd want
it to anyhow. Better stop, I'm rambling. :)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:26:41 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: return from afar
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At 05:33 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>When I first posted to the list I was chastised for suggesting that my
>may was better, (even though that was not my intent). Yet I came away
>from the experience warm and fuzzy, and humbled in a most positive way.
>It was a great growth experience. I choose not to be "taken care of" by
>you. It appears that humility and enlightenment are not synonymous. I am
>looking for the lesson in all this.
that was not my intent, you misunderstood. What I meant was that people
seem to enjoy arguing rather than discussing and helping those in need.
Isn't it better to help those who need it rather than waste energy on such
things? Humility and enlightenment may be synonymous after all, since it
was not my intent to be otherwise. It seems, profundity is in the eyes of
the would-be receiver as well. I am still learning, I am not perfect, I am
not infallable, I do not know everything. I am not god, I do not have all
the answers, I am still growing, I still make mistakes. I have never
intended or implied that I was otherwise. I have simply had an incredibly
profound experience which has lifted my conciousness a few levels. that is
all.
I came back to the list because some of the people on the list feel as I
did when I first joined the list, that there was no one to ask questions of
or seek guidance, without being judged. and so it is written, and so shall
it be done.
>Sending warmth and love to Dan and all "listies"
>
> Doug "lorax"
>
>
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