1997/03/20 11:37
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #106
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 106
Today's Topics:
Re: Love
<<<<<Mystical Heresy
Re: leylines in cyberspace ?
Re: Return From Afar
Re: Return From Afar
Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Re: <<<<<Mystical Heresy
demons (started as Re: Mystical Heresy)
Re: music
OK I'll judge too
Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:32:38 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Love
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Hi Ken McFarland (dendraphiliac),
> I enjoy the study of psychological processes.
Yes indeedee
> My thesis in grad school was a new theory of the neurobehavioral systems
> manifesting the experience of shame and related emotions.
Gosh!
> I realize that I enjoy discussing these concepts because it is "my claim to
> fame" a very egocentric motivation.
Nonsense, sometimes the ego must be nurtured
and sometimes deflated
yours needs expression and nurturing in my Lobsterian opinion.
> Still, when my stuff is the focus of a group the strokes feel good to my
> narcissistic self.
Again narcissism is needed for some.
Even self Love is Love
> The groups I have worked with over the past four years, are court mandated
> offenders.
> I enjoy working with these folks who seem to need even more help than I.
> It is very rewarding when they change and grow.
Right
> I must say I believe I feel more love for these "despicable pedophiles and
> deviants" than the other therapists at the agency.
Of course,
and the reason as you say:
> They are all wounded people themselves.
> I want to get beyond external validation.
> I want generalized unconditional love.
> I want to be able to laugh.
> I want to let go and experience joyful music.
> I do enjoy the music on the Kabbalah Web site.
OK two things:
Do you have any new age/relaxation/ kabbalistic
type CD's or tapes?
Why not treat yourself
to another?
Also there are subliminal videos
and tapes plus affirmations
Ask for advice and try and hear what you are buying
These things can help reprogram some of your neural and subconscious
scripts
And what about a comedy tape - video or CD or ten?
> This morning I hugged a redwood tree.
> This ancient species seemed the appropriate choice.
> I told it "I love you" several times - an odd sort of uh - weird event.
> Not much seemed to happen - felt a little silly - but not silly.
> I will try it some more.
Of course it is silly
So feel silly and weird (Weird=wyrd=wise - old Anglo saxon)
but develop an emotional response to things
be moved by them
find them and be moved
I remember saying the words
"I invoke thee O Uriel"
during a kabbalistic ritual
I felt silly but somehow it was not . . .
A child does this without thinking twice . . .
We have to reconnect with the child
and let her grow and develop (properly this time)
Did you know the child in you is a
little girl running through long grass meadows, the sun is shining
and she is laughing in joy?
> Lobster, what do you enjoy?
> What makes you happy?
> What do we love?
Hah!
I enjoy life
Simple things
a walk in the country with friends
good wholesome food
good friendly company
other peoples enjoyment
Happiness makes me happy
Seeing people smile
Flowers, trees, nature
Forgiveness
Holy sites and places
children - brilliant invention
I find children the only ones capable of
worthwhile unconditional interaction
(they call it play)
Love?
Well I love everything
I am able to
Knowledge
People
Classical and spiritual music
lobsters
myself
being on the K list
poetry
art
humour
being [full stop]
(I do not Love God - too presumptious -
but I am sure we would get on OK
if trapped in an elavator for instance)
these have been a few of "my favourite things"
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:29:59 -0800
From: Dan <stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: <<<<<Mystical Heresy
Message-ID: <333149E7.3F6AATnospamix.netcom.com>
Hello k-ites,
This should cause a bit of discussion as it overturns one of the common
foundation stones of mysticism.
Simply put, there is no need of a guru; they are however convenient in
that they mold the pupil's mind in the cast set down by them and their
predecessors. The belief that a guru is needed to guide the 'safe'
emergence of a pupil's kundalini has been championed by Gopi Krisha and
others. The records show that kundalini emergence happens spontaneously
without the intervention of a guru.
These 'unguided' emergences run the gamut from protracted, peaceful
life-altering events to horrendous, psychoses-filled, life-altering
events. The same is true in ashrams or under private tutelage - some
emergences are calm others are frightening. Gautama, himself, is said to
have studied all the then-current systems and beliefs, rejected them,
looked to himself, and found enlightenment.
When a pupil is thrashing about in the psychotic terrors of awakening
in Tibet, the guru simply stands aside and lets it happen believing, "He
is being devoured by his own demons, he must wrestle with them and
either be defeated by them or conquer them." ("Secret Tibet", Alexandra
Neels-Davies, "How Can I Help", Ram Dass)
Another 'foundation stone' is the concept of 'shaktipat' or the
'activation' of kundalini at the intervention of another; usually a
self-identified guru. Having gone through (actually still am going
through) a classical spontaneous kundalini awakening and having since
that time attended the 'shaktipat' of a guru, it is my belief at this
time that awakening of the kundalini energy is not possible by any other
means than its own natural emergence; why else would the East be filled
with bandy-legged Saddhus in their eighties and beyond who are still
seeking an awakening while practicing the privations and excercises that
are said to lead to it?
As in the literature, I have a feeling for those who have had a
kundalini awakening and those who are simply psychotic or experiencing
self-hypnosis-induced kundalini symptoms ("Spiritual Emergence", "The
Stormy Search for Self", Dr. Stanislav Grof, M.D. & Christina Grof). At
the public shaktipat given by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, I came away with
the following observations:
1. Shri Mataji is a personally awakened individual.
2. She honestly believes that she can deliver shaktipat to people.
3. The audience was filled with people having high expectations of
shaktipat.
(myself included - it is canon that those having gone through
spontaneous
awakening seek to reexperience the magnificence of their original
opening).
4. Many of those who expected it, received through
self-induced-suggestion the
'shaktipat' or rather the illusory symptoms of it.
5. There was no 'shaktipat' delivered or received - only the belief in
it.
As far as mass-hypnosis-induced kundalini emergence (shaktipat) goes,
it seems that the symptoms experienced (and they are subjectively as
'real' as a genuine emergence) tend to follow the expectations
propounded by the guru's teachings/beliefs. Alternatively, spontaneous
kundalini emergence seems to be personal; although taken collectively
there are patterns, some of which, can be recognized in individual
cases. A classic example of this is the pattern of the 'energy-flow'.
Although, the by-the-book pattern is up the spine from its base and out
of the crown, a number of spontaneously awakened describe an alternate
path that continues over the front of the body and down to about the
abdomen.
Again, I believe this is as a result of genuinely-awakened individuals
describing what is happening to them and not reiterating the
expectations of what they have been taught. This is also one of the
reasons that I am suspect of those who insist that their awakening
'must' be cast in a deity-structured framework. Although it smacks of
outwardly directed preconception, it may be the only framework with
which any given individual can relate.
Just some thoughts - and thoughts at this time - heretical thoughts
(and if one pokes around a bit in the literature ... not that original
=-) I have my own kindling and matches, thank you very much.
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
Dan-RF(ReelingFlamer)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:42:57 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: leylines in cyberspace ?
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At 09:43 PM 3/19/97 +0000, you wrote:
>fellow yogis,
>could it be that we are creating leylines in cyberspace ? have been to
>Glastonbury Tor and profound sense of eternal nature - total
>understanding, no alienated aspect of self at all - earth, energy, sky..
>so what about getting electronic feng shui masters to check out one's
>sites and servers ? you may notice i'm on demon, which was not my
>choice, but felt time was right to help such an unfortunately named
>server transform their karma since have witnessed passing of many demons
>within.....Tantra goes beyond purity......transmute anything, even
>demons.....sacred and profane are one, samsara and nrvana, two in
>one... >have dosing rod at ready......Yogi Tom
don't you mean "dousing" rod? Anyhow, I marvel at how truly unenlightened
and unknowledgable you are. Do you not know where the word "demon" comes
from, especially in that part of the world? Think of the greek translation,
which is "daemon". Believe it or not, such are not negative nor evil
creatures at all. "daemon" strictly translated simply means "helper", this
is after all why there are such processes in Unix, speak to any Unix
programmer and you will quickly learn they know a good deal about "daemons"
and how helpful these small wonders are. I believe it's only the messed up
western beliefs which have altered this type of view, christianity helped a
lot I think.
As for feng shui, I work for a chinese company, and suggested it a few
months ago, they just thought I was strange. :) But I thought it was a
great idea. Did you know KRN (Kundalini Research Net) has a web site which
is something like what you're looking for? Check it out.
I've been involved with KRN for about two years now, and involved with
spiritual, energy work, shamanism and such for over 21 years. I've been
around.
Yes, I've done so much, I've forgotten some of it.
PS: sending some nice lovely white energy your way, just in case.
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:30:49 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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At 01:28 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dan, oh Dan.
>The first thing, the elementary thing about being enlightened is not
>to find yourself special, apart from the others, so high up there that
>it is so hard to communicate with "us down here". a little love would
>do good on that enlightened state of yours. There might be other
>lists, but not with people so well intented and as great as us.... you
>will miss us... or maybe we will find you someday up there.... in the
>heavens above.
You completely missed the point, and misconstrued everything. but thats ok.
Tell me something, why is it so hard to accept that someone has become
enlightened?
Why would such a person who is truly enlightened not want to share with
others, and teach so others may grow?
Would not such a person want to spread the positive love energy as much as
possible to as many as possible and to find others which have shared
similar experiences?
Is this not the whole reason, the purpose and culture behind the kundalini
list to begin with?
People accept kundalini, obviously, or no one would be on this list. People
accept the odd rare enlightened individual, as long as it is rare, and far
away, and unobtainable. In fact, even kundalini is suspect on this list,
and must be rare, and "just so" or it won't be accepted either.
Love? a little love? you've got to be kidding! I have sooooo MUCH of the
darn stuff it's positively making me wobble... <smile> It's euphoria at
times, and it's constant, never ending, and there's always more. I have so
much energy it's rediculous. But I love every minute of it, darn, there's
that word again. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and I'm not complaining,
I just wish I could be more integrated so I could enjoy it more instead of
still being partially stuck in this false reality construct society has built.
>Happy floatings! You might say a little curse word just in case you
>go you go floating beyond heaven...
not possible, but perhaps some day you will be enlightened enough to
understand. Attitude is everything. You are stuck like many at a lower
vibration, unwilling and too frightened to change because it is comfortable
to you the way things are. Illusion is easier to accept than "reality" (as
I have been want to say often "truth is stranger than fiction"). This is
not a fault, it is just the way things are.
I am hoping, by being here now, to bring some people forward, to help them
to learn and to grow. That is my only purpose. I have more than an
abundance of loving white energy, and I have no idea what to do with it, so
I spread it to all I can. In fact, there's some coming your way now... :)
One thing really bothered me last time I was on this list, and that was
there didn't seem to be anyone who was "more advanced" on the path than I
was, at least no one I could email or chat with. You could only read about
them in the odd rare book, and perhaps someone might mention someone in
email, but you'd never be able to find these people, never be able to talk
to them. Even with kundalini, it was next to impossible to find someone who
had been through the process at the time, this has changed, but there is
more. It was really hard, I and others always wanted to find someone more
experienced, and enlightened to talk to and ask questions. This drove me
crazy.
There was nowhere to go, no one to talk to. Yes, I've talked to psychics,
spiritualists, seers, Shamans, and even those with over 20 years of
Shambhala experience, and saught out lama's, and remote viewers, reiki
healers, and KRN (Kundalini Research Network), clairvoyants, and many many
others but I still had questions and experiences which I had no one to talk
to, or ask. And those I did, didn't seem to have any answers.
So here I am, returning to the list after experiencing an "epiphony" (lousy
spelling) of sorts, finally awakened, and wanting to give back to all those
who helped me, and any others who felt the lack within this list, and
elsewhere.
Isn't it about time someone did this? I don't pretend to be the best at
anything, I don't pretend to have all the answers. I am only a concious
part of the collective that is forming, what eventually, hopefully, many
will become part. The human race is waking up, it is necessary, we have
damaged the Earth beyond Mother Earth's patience or tolerance, she will
soon strike back, in fact, she has already started. Man needs to wake up
and smell the coffee, before it's too late. Ok, enough silly metaphors, but
I think you get the point, I hope you are mature and intelligent enough to
see it. or perhaps I should say instead, aware enough.
I welcome any and all questions from anyone, in email, for those who feel
like I did, and can't seem to find answers. I can't promise I can answer
them all, and I certainly won't promise that you'll like the answer should
I provide one. It will simply be what is provided by us.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:34:05 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar
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At 03:37 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Dan,
>Feelings such as these are almost too intense to talk of. I'd advise ----
>integrate, integrate, integrate! Learn from these profound esperiences
>before you speak too much.
>If you speak too soon, you know not what you speak of.
thanks Kat, integration has been ongoing for the last (over a week now), my
vibration keeps going up. whee. They are very profound. But I must speak,
there are others in great need here. That is why I returned. I can only do
my best.
thank you for the wisdom though, it is much appreciated.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:33:39 -0800
From: MAX PRESCOTT <sumacATnospamwin.bright.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
Message-ID: <333174F3.5A67ATnospamwin.bright.net>
About Dan, this could be ego and/or sheer, open ecstasy. After reading
his letter and some comments I felt some superiority coming through. I
felt really bad that he came onto the list telling some people they were
or weren't enlightened based on their comments. I have met very
enlightened people in my life that didn't even think they were. And most
of the enlightened people I have met try to show others the light rather
than telling them they are unenlightened. When we open our hearts with
love, there is no separation or greater levels of being. We are where we
are supposed to be for the lessons, healing, and insights we are to be
gaining. When we close our hearts and minds - thinking we are the best
or know it all then we stop learning. I don't know about you all, but I
think there are great teachers in the "enlighted" people and the innocent
,open, seeking people all over this world. My teachers come in many
forms, and the ones I learn the most from are the ones that have
compassion and love for everyone. Love and Light, Colleen
sumacATnospamwin.bright.net
LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Dear Kundalites ( I love Lobster's word for us!),
>
> About Dan, is it *ego* or possibly is it sheer, open ecstasy? Or is it
> confidence in stating what's occuring in one's life? Isn't this the place
> where we should be able to confide in others? In fact, I feel rather isolated
> without this list and I'd like to know I can express myself without fear of
> being judged for doing so.
>
> Since I have no one else to talk (without expecting my ego to be fed or even
> the hope of an understandable response), I would hope that I can freely do
> that on the k-list without condemnation.
>
> Life is an open door!
>
> Love,
>
> Kat
>
> BTW, Dan's idea is also somewhat similarly expressed in The Tenth Insight by
> James Redfield.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:00:24 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: <<<<<Mystical Heresy
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At 06:29 AM 3/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello k-ites,
> This should cause a bit of discussion as it overturns one of the common
>foundation stones of mysticism.
> Simply put, there is no need of a guru; they are however convenient in
>that they mold the pupil's mind in the cast set down by them and their
>predecessors. The belief that a guru is needed to guide the 'safe'
> Just some thoughts - and thoughts at this time - heretical thoughts
>(and if one pokes around a bit in the literature ... not that original
>=-) I have my own kindling and matches, thank you very much.
>Love and LAUGHING LIGHT,
>Dan-RF(ReelingFlamer)
laced with humor and joy, not sarcasm...:
just one question: are you still here? <smirk> I enjoyed and only somewhat
agree with your post. Guru's may not be necessary, but people always seem
to need them or want them around to help and guide. The truth be told, a
proper enlightened person, or guru doesn't actually do anything (shhhh! you
might spoil the surprise for those seeking awakening). And another secret,
enlightenment really isn't any work at all. (gasp! no, say it isn't so!)
Yes, as many a shaman will remind us all, life is supposed to be effortless.
I would also recommend checking out a book titled "A Farther Shore" by Dr.
Yvonne Kason, founder and chairperson of the KRN (Kundalini Research Network).
I am only here to help those who wish guidance or help, truth be told, you
must make the journey on your own, I will not and cannot do anything "for"
you. Each person reaches enlightenment or awakening in their own way, at
their own time. I do not ascribe to any deity or preset system at the
moment, I am an atheist, which just serves to make things more interesting
(there's an understatement). I only answer or suggest what feels right for
each person, this is based on them, not on what I think is right for them.
either that or what the collective tells me.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:01:07 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: demons (started as Re: Mystical Heresy)
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In a message dated 3/20/97 2:37:49 PM, you wrote:
>the guru simply stands aside and lets it happen believing, "He
>is being devoured by his own demons, he must wrestle with them and
>either be defeated by them or conquer them." ("Secret Tibet", Alexandra
>Neels-Davies, "How Can I Help", Ram Dass)
I had an vision/experience where I was in a colidascope of hell, like looking
through a colidascope and seeing demons and monsters and red hell fire, but
you are falling down into it. As the mosters tore into my flesh, I felt
great pain but remebered something I had learned from minor dental work
without novacane. I concentrated on the pain, really trying to identify it,
to understand exsactly what the sensation was. By holding fast to the idea
that the soul is invulnrable, I let the demons eat all they could, because
they could not touch my pure essance. They plunged through me many times
taking large chunks of me as they went, purifying me. I emerged from the
trance feeling cleansed and pure, feeling invulnrable on a spirit level. I
looked at my body and saw scales, and saw my own body of that of a dragons.
For the rest of the evening I saw myself as both human and huminoid dragon,
not being sure which was the true me, but having enough grasp on reality to
know that others saw me as a human. But alas, time passes and I seem back to
normal, how much work is done and then is "unseen".
Lotsa Love and a big hug
Aaron :)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:02:09 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: music
Message-ID: <970320110111_-2006543339ATnospamemout19.mail.aol.com>
beat oriented ambient music (techno/house/electronic/industrial). I love the
different rythms all crashing around with the fun and intericate higher
sounds cascading from left to right and back (something about stereo panning
really makes me happy). I prefere the music to be nuetural or possibly a
dark feel, makes me see it as more flexible, bending to meet my moods, where
the happier ambient stuff feels like watching Barney show, or at lame dance
hall, try to avoid stuff with lyrics of any kind. You know when you've found
the good stuff because it really makes you feel like your on drugs or in a
deep meditation.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:04:28 -0500 (EST)
From: SeraphinsATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: OK I'll judge too
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There is little stuff on this list (written in earnest) that will not teach
someone something. Like artwork, the understanding is in the mind/spirit of
the reader.
I would get more involved in some of the discourses, which weave their own
web, but my Virgo rising can make posting an editing nightmare. It's easier
to lurk.
I agree with Ori (Mahakala : ) ) about Buddha or any teacher. Learn what you
can from everyone and every situation, but remember that as humans, we are
all fallible.
For those of you who feel are too advanced for the list, there are all kinds
of vibes here. Can't you feel them?
What is not love is fear, and nothing else . . .
Susan
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:10:50 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
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At 08:17 AM 3/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Kat--
>Condemnation is a very strong word. Each of us lives in our own bubble,
>even as we try to expand it to emcompass the universe and beyond. As a
>"support group" we owe it to each other to be honest and direct about what
>we perceive in each other. If someone's bubble is swelling to the bursting
>point, filled perhaps with an ill wind, that person should know how s/he
>comes across. This is not a condemnation, but a gentle prod towards
>re-evaluation. Granted, it can be very difficult to drop pretenses and
>look at yourself with new open clarity! Please, be yourself, post with
>confidence. All of us are here to help you and each other along--however,
>this does seem to require the occasional "judgement." It's imporatant,
>though, to be able to see past the words themselves, to the motivation
>behind them!
so I am condemned because I have the courage to speak up and come forward
and try and enlighten others? Is that what you are trying to say?
Don't you think I've thought about all of that, early on? I do not make
such statements lightly, and I know what I'm talking about. I have over 20
years experience with such matters. Besides having the collective
conciousness always connected to me talking to me in my mind is enough.
So to is the sheer ecstacy, the joy, love and happiness I feel. The
overabundance of energy, the warmth, the love, oops, said that already.
I am in a state of flux, I am integrating this newfound level of
conciousness, which seems not to be an easy job. my vibration gets higher
and higher, and I have more and more energy and more and more love. The
collective is love and understanding, and knowing, it is peace and
contentment, and happiness, and joy, and so much more.
Perhaps, in an old sense of thinking, a person attacks this because that is
man's usual method of operations- fear and destroy what you do not
understand. But mostly fear. It is fear which keeps people from awakening.
It is fear which keeps man from being enlightened, and perhaps also keeps
him continually destroying the earth which is his home.
I am not perfect, I do not know everything. I only know what I know, and
what we as the collective knows as a whole. I will offer what advice and
guidance I can, I will repeat and say the work is each to do on their own,
I cannot do anything for anyone, it is their own journey. Yet I know the
journey usually ends up being a lot easier than most think. I offer only
love, light, and peace.
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:30:47 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
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At 09:22 AM 3/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Kat and all Chakra-Shakers,
>Two quotes from Beyond Enlightenment:
you take and accept as your universe, only one source of information, a
single book, of all things? <blink> This is incredible, but I guess it does
happen.
>"For those who think they are enlightened: Oh Dear! You really are most
>mistaken. Nobody is interested in your supposed enlightenment. Please
>keep it to yourself and do not burden others with your presumed
>knowledge. Please most humbly go away and reconsider."
I don't THINK I am enlightened, I KNOW I am enlightened, and you are quite
wrong, as this list has shown, people are interested, it is not a burden. I
most humbly entered. I will not leave, people here need me. otherwise I
would not have returned.
>"People who think their realisation is better, higher or unique are
>completely mistaken. Realisation is conscious travelling. In that is its
>potential blessing. The very thought of being special is subtle egoism.
>It is a limitation of progress and must be transformed into being less."
I never said anything like this. different perhaps. Who knows? that's what
I am here to learn. are there others here like me? It would seem thus far,
that that is so. So once again, no ego. I am not expounding anything except
how nice it feels. And theres nothing wrong with that, or in wanting to
help others.
you also don't need to quote the whole message like that.
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:49:26 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
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Hi, Dan,
>Dan, one of the few enlightened.
>We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
>There Are Always Possibilities...
If we are one, then, yes, there are only a few enlightened: namely, the One.
Then again, that's all of us, isn't it?
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:05:02 -0500
From: Dan Gahlinger <danATnospamvrx.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Return From Afar - the amazing flying ego
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At 09:33 AM 3/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
>About Dan, this could be ego and/or sheer, open ecstasy. After reading
>his letter and some comments I felt some superiority coming through. I
>felt really bad that he came onto the list telling some people they were
>or weren't enlightened based on their comments. I have met very
>enlightened people in my life that didn't even think they were. And most
>of the enlightened people I have met try to show others the light rather
>than telling them they are unenlightened. When we open our hearts with
>love, there is no separation or greater levels of being.
old habits die hard. I am constantly changing. I can't flame, so as a
retort, that's as bad as I got. Which is not so bad considering how
immature and flaming the posts I was replying to were meant to be. I
skipped most of these because all they were after was enticing me, which I
recognize. I have awakened but not integrated as yet. This is a fact, it is
not ego. If it was the posts would be more negative. Today though I have
started a new direction, which the collective has given me, to just send
white loving energy to those who would want to be negative. They will find
their own path, or they wont, it is all in their own choosing. No
superiority was intended or implied.
Dan, one of the few enlightened.
We Are One- in peace, love, and light.
There Are Always Possibilities...
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