1997/03/17 07:20
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #99
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 99
Today's Topics:
Aaron the Magnificent
visualization
Aaron
lazy mans...
Re: chakras
Reactions.
Friends
Namaste
Re: lazy mans...
FW: This list
Re: Reactions
Support needed
RE: ADMIN: Unsubscribing
re: New member intro
Re: visualization
Why I am so great?
Cannabis and Kundalini
direction of subtle energy flow in whole body - views ?
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:59:59 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Aaron the Magnificent
Message-ID: <332CCFCF.6B34ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi Aaron,
> Hey, my crown chakra was my first activated chakra, then my third eye and now
> onto my heart, navel and root.
Was it indeed.
We are not worthy . . .
We are not worthy . . .
> Do people know which religions/practices start their student's with the crown
> chakra first?
Try Qabbalah - not all forms
or Jnana Yoga - not all forms
http://kabbalah-web.org/kabbalah.html
The Bnei Baruch ,disciples of Baruch Shalom Halevi Ashlag - the
eldest son of Yehuda Ashlag known as "Baal Hasulam"
have put up a web site, dedicated to the dissemination of
Lurianic/Ashlagian Kabbalistic material. The material
that they offer has been prepared in three languages,
Hebrew, Russian, and English. This may become the most
important Kabbalistic site on the web, as more material
is added. The Bnei Baruch will answer questions posted by
Email.
Do not try trepanning . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:02:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: visualization
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I have trouble picturing, let alone keeping a "real" looking
vision to my mind(like buddha, etc.) when doing meditational exercise.
I can see fluctuating shapes and patterns of energy, and when I'm lucky,
break through to the astral plane and see large, fluctuating, translucent
bodies of energy that come and go. I keep getting "Better" at seeing
things in the astral plane with more detail and life rather than just big
blobs of energy like when I first started. For now I usually just let
the forms come by themselves and sometimes visualize a simple upside down
pyramid and try to hold it, but it is hard. What do most other people
do? Is it important to try and visualize or is it better to naturally
let go and let the visions come? I tend to stay more relaxed with
forgetting visualization and letting it come, but I feel I have hit a
wall. I'm taking some art classes next quarter and I hope this will help
me "see things" in my mind better.
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:21:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Aaron
Message-ID: <970316212142_-2006988656ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com>
yes Aaron,the crown chakra is sometimes activated first by the shiva or
downward
energy.it clears all the way down to the root and activates the kundalini
(shakti)
and then the kundalini climbs upward.
good luck .
terry
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:54:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: lazy mans...
Message-ID: <970316213837_-1672981333ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
just read the lazy mans guide two enlightenment.wow!!
it all feels right to me but the emphasis on love is seems to me to
contradict much of what i read on buddha mind,that is the part about the
middle path.to be all into one thing to the exclusion of all else (love hate)
doesnt sound in the middle two me.i tried this for a day.to feel love
unconditional
love for everything.completely unusual negative things happened to me that
day.
but if i can get past this confusion with this emphasis on love i feel like
this
book can lead me to find the answer for myself.also how does this books
method relate to kundalini?
thanks in advance,terry
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:01:52 -0800
From: Paul Ellis <pauleATnospamsirius.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chakras
Message-ID: <332CB420.65C4465AATnospamsirius.com>
Aaron -
you said:
> Hey, my crown chakra was my first activated chakra, then my third eye and now
> onto my heart, navel and root.
Very interesting. What's your personal definition of activated? That term gets
used a lot and I'm not sure what you mean.
In his very engaging book, _Stalking the Wild Pendulum_, Ithzak Bentov posed a
model for a sort of "physical circuit" of kundalini with energy rising from the
root, going to the crown and then returning to the root again. Some people could
be more aware of the 'up' leg of the trip or the 'down' leg. Hence, you experience
activation down from the crown, others are aware of rising energy. Just a thought.
Best,
Paul
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:50:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reactions.
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>Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:34:25 GMT
>From: tyrone.waltonATnospamhhbbs.com (Tyrone Walton)
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: Reactions
>
>Hello,K-list members. I've been noticing for sometime. That certain
>smells and foods have an effect on my consciousness. In my experience
>it's like the begining of a acid trip. Like when you first notice that
>the acid is taking effect.
Hello, Tyrone:
Funny, we are heading opposite here.
I have been learning to do this deliberately, to flashback at will,
because I find the state so very useful for connecting with the odd bits of
my brain that process spiritual phenomena. It is useful to remember that
it's not the acid that causes the effects, it's what the acid does to the
serotonin levels in your brain.
So, certain altered states are caused by/cause alterations in brain
serotonin levels. Just your K. messing with your natural biochemistry.
Doubtless it has good reason.
>
>What I notice usually is that my sense of sight is different then it was
>before! I'm suddenly aware of the color temperature of the light in my
>environment. When I notice this it causes anxiety! Or I'm suddenly aware
>of my height,and its relation to other objects in my environment.
yes, and when the energy really gets moving, my vision is sheeted over
with blue fire, any my whole body is tingly and glowing. Fun, fun, fun! The
wall take on an unreal quality, as though I am dreaming them.
In that state, you can process and change core belief patterns, implant
new beliefs at a very deep level. Acid was first used as a psychotheraputic
aid. Since the K. process of evolution is releasing old memories,
impressions and ideas from this and previous lifetimes, you are getting this
altered state as a gift from your K. to facilitate that process.
>
>I never trip out or anything,but it is an anxiety producing experience.
>When this reaction occurs I've also noticed that I am aware of my
>tongue. It feels like I've touched it with a nine volt battery! I also
>notice this anxiety when chanting the full mantra of the 3rd eye. But
>that seems to have stopped for now.
So it is not the effects that are the problem, but only your fear of them.
Why do they frighten you? You are not going crazy. These things are
real..but it is just the K., and the K. truly does have your best interests
at heart.
What do you fear would happen if you surrendered to the experience?
Relax and watch and listen silent...what is Goddess K. trying to show you?
Press your tongue to the roof of your mouth, just behind your front teeth.
Experiment to find the exact spot that will complete the electric circuit
and release the uncomfortable energy.
>
>I've stopped eating ground hamburger,and eating other peoples cooking.
>To avoid this reaction. I've also taken to wearing sunglasses and where
>possible turning off the lights. It seems to be working so far,but I
>still have these reactions especially when I smell an odor.
So sensitive, anything evocative, and smell is the most evocative sense,
stirring up the old stuff to be released. As it is released emotionally, it
also gets released physically, toxins and blockages coming loose and being
flushed out by your body's immune response.
The vibration of the farmer and the cook and the cow are all in the
food...you can read this information like old movies, sit back and watch
them when they come up. They cannot harm you. We are all one anyway. It's
all lessons about who you are.
Listen to your body's voice about how it desires to be nourished.
Bless your food with love before you eat it, imagine it being cleansed of
all negative vibrations with white light, offer gratitude for the abundance
it represents.
This will make a huge difference in your digestion, and the taste of the
food.
>
>Does anyone else have this experience? I also have a weird reaction
> when chanting the full mantra for the Manipura centre. You know
>the fear you get when your on a high roof top(ie: empirer state
>building).Where you stay away from the edge,because you have the
>fear.That dispite yourself,you'll have an overwhelming urge to jump off
>the building. That's the feeling I get when listening to this mantra.
>
Shiva and Shakti, Love and Fear, creation/destruction. Everything, all at
once. That's the vibration. Follow love, and give no strength to fear, jump
to discover you can fly.
The temptations are presented for you to submit to them. Follow the path
that you are being given, have faith in your guide....it is much easier than
hacking your way through the jungle on your own.
>Any comments? Any similar experiences with this or any other mantra?
no, but I'd sure like to try the mantra..;)
Blessings, Angelique.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy.....let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Calvin and Hobbes have ascended...Blessed Be!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:15:57 -0800
From: Ken McFarland <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Friends
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Dear Lobster,
I am gratified by your response.
Sadly, I do not yet know my idealized self nor my self-ideal. Your question,
though, is excellent food for thought.
I am perceive of your genuine concern - from here, it looks like love.
I don't know if I will have much to contribute to the K list - I have not
experienced K.
I do not understand what it means to construct a post together. Perhaps you
could elaborate.
I am glad we are already friends.
Sincerely,
Ken
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:26:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Namaste
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Okay, so... "namaste"- we discussed what it MEANS, but how do we
pronounce it? I can read it, but I have not heard it yet!
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:57:12 -0800
From: Joe Patrick Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: lazy mans...
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Daforce2ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> just read the lazy mans guide two enlightenment.wow!!
>how does this books
> method relate to kundalini?
> thanks in advance,terry
Dear Terry,
In my mind, Golas doesn't consider the method important. Fix your mind
on the fruits of enlightenment--and be there. Live life as though
enlightened. You can do this with no esoteric training with love. He
seems to emphasis loving your own foibles and failings and not expecting
the doors of heaven to open when you reach an expanded state of
consciousness. In many respects, this philosophy parallels Gopi
Krishna's, who believed the main difference living with a fully active
K, was the enhanced perception of the world we live in. Depak Chopra
would probably say: Reality will find a way to meet your expectations.
For myself, the book helped me by describing in nice round words
feelings (states of mind) I would like to have as often as possible. He
has laid out a map of thinking I can remember easily. He is as close as
the air.
Be there,
Joe
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 04:24:04 UT
From: "Larry Killen" <LkillenATnospammsn.com>
To: "Kundalini, List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: FW: This list
Message-Id: <UPMAIL05.199703170424450819ATnospammsn.com>
I have a confession of sorts. I sent this mail out this morning with the
intentions of posting it to the K-list. As you might note below, it
inadvertantly went to another list I belong to. I'm awaiting the response
from this very scientific list in regards to my statement.
If the k-list aquires some very strange new members...oh this is too much.
ESRI is composed of mainly spatial analyst and programmers. They will read
this over and over and over looking for some logic.....
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 1997 9:48 AM
To: 'ESRI List'
Subject: This list
For I year I have read this list and until recently was reluctant to show
myself. I was unsure of the members for some stretched my sensibilities
beyond it's limits.
But that was first look. After I started participating I discovered a wealth
of love here for the likes of nowhere else. I now read every post (when
possible) and the love flows from my screen. Once I was willing to put my
prejudice aside a metamorphose took place with either the list or me or both.
I don't know. But I do feel in tune with it.
I do hope our species advances in this direction. We so badly need it.
Maybe the new models are rising. I hope so.
Larry
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:29:14 -0500 (EST)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reactions
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Dear Tyrone,
I've had several days recently where smells have seemed very strong to me. I
don't think this is a blessing! There are lots of odors, even ones you might
normally like, that can be obnoxious when they're sooo strong!
Also, I did a Drisana (a type of energy healing) workshop recently and on the
second day (March 7) of the workshop as I sat there, my hearing became so
acute that it seemed as if people who were talking in a normal tone of voice
were yelling. One person who had a fairly loud voice was almost
intolerable!! At lunch, I split off from the group to eat in a quiet
soothing place. Even that seemed somewhat loud. By the time I got home, I
was sort of gritting my teeth!! Of course, when I walked in my house, my dog
happily greeted me --- by barking like crazy. It just about blew my head
off!
I sort of crawled off to bed and rested in semi-dark for the rest of the
evening. No phones, no music, no TV, no meditation, no noise. I felt better
the next day, but it was several days before the complete effects were gone.
I, too, had the sense of anxiety, as if the world around me was so intense, I
could barely stand it. No matter what I tried, I just couldn't turn down the
volume!
It was as if I had an acute sense of hearing and couldn't filter out any
extraneous sounds at all. Grounding did help me cope a little better.
I had done some meditations at the workshop and run a lot of energies. No
mantras, though. When did yours occur? Anybody else having symptoms similar
to these?
Love,
Kat
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:47:38 -0500 (EST)
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I just discovered the kundalina web site and I am filled with gratefulness.
I am hoping that this is a place to write about my own kundalini experience
that I have been carrying alone for many months. When relating it to others,
I find it frustrating and have difficulty explaining my experience.
I am a 49 year old woman living in northern California. I have been
practicing meditation for 12 years and Iyengar yoga for 3 years.
Approximately 2 years ago, I added the Five Tibetans to my daily practice as
well as praynayama. I also began visiting Mother Meera in Germany 3 years
ago where I would attend darshan and receive shakti-pat.
Last May, my husband and I arrived in Germany to again attend our yearly 4
days of darshan with Mother. I regularly prepare for this by intensifying my
meditation practice focussing on emptying myself to receive her light.
We were walking down the street of Lindberg, a town close by
Mother, and I suddenly felt a tremendous rush up my spine that threw me to
the sidewalk. I could not move from a position on my hands and knees. Many
German people rushed over and pointed to a doctor's office but I could not
get to my feet for a number of minutes. Slowly, slowly, I rose to my feet
but a huge pain settled into my left hip where it remained for many months.
Only upon returning home several weeks later, did it occur to me that I had
had a kundalini experience. I immediately read everything I could get ahold
of on the subject and I am convinced that this is what occurred to me that
day in Germany.
Since then, I have been drawn to a daily kundalini practice using the sounds
and visual images of each chakra site. What I feel I need is to be in
contact with others who have experienced similar awakenings in order to
connect and to learn about your practices. Is there something I should watch
for or attempt?
Please feel free to write to me about this subject. I need support.
Namaste,
Shakti
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:20:42 +0100 (MET)
From: Stephane Marconi <marconiATnospamschp5.unige.ch>
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Hi Peggy,
you wrote:
>A lot of the crisis was initially centered around a co-worker - a man I
>fell deeply in love with, though we were not involved in any way
>romantically.
I must say I was surprised to read your posting. I have experienced
practically the same!!
It happened when I was in school. I must have been ~13 years old and
I can only described as "being struck" by a woman, who happened to become
a school teacher of mine. I was young and I think this confused whatever
was happening. I never got to clarify this situation, mostly because at
the time I couldn't figure out how much was due to my imagination.
Anyway, it appears to me that of the two I was the only one aware of the
possible importance of such an occuring. Maybe it just was a trigger( a
powerful one though!).
To this I will add that similar relation have happened to me since them,
except that I was usually the "source". Here is the most significant one:
I was flirting with a girl whom I wasn't sure of dating. We went out to
dinner one night. During the supper, she look at me with surprise. She
described what had happened like this:"I don't know, suddenly you gave me
a look that sent a shiver from the top of my head to the bottom of my
spine". I obviously did not do this on purpose?! Had she not said
anything, I wouldn't have known any different. I don't know what is
exactly meant by shaktipat, but my intuition tells me it is on the same
lines as this.
Conclusion: I did not do it, but it happened thru me. Basta. The romantic
situation must have been there to help. I don't really know. I only know
that it has happened a few times, essentially with women( as far as I
know!!).
That that I will add that I too :
>have this incredible sensation of blockage in my heart
>chakra.
>don't want more information on "how God/the Universe works" - I've
>studied this from an intellectual or mental level and I have received
>*many* wonderful insights.
At the moment I am focussing on the heart, physically. Had some
interesting results:
I start a short activation of the forefront chacra( asking the benediction
of this man I prefer to name IESHUA( don't really know why!) which must be
some variation of Jesus) and sometimes it continues on by its own, then my
trunc starts to have two movements:
spine streches
torso moves up
gently, but the movements are quick.
Eventually, a couple of times I had this sensation of "thousand of
bubbles" rushing in my torso. Makes me think of a internal massage.
I feel this circle in my plexus openening, closing, opening bigger,
closing again. The expansion is not continuous and doesn't last.
That's all for the moment. It has improved the pain in the heart.
Anybody want to share in. Thank you.
Stefan.
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:20:01 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: visualization
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RE: VISUALISATION Have you thought about keeping an eye out for a
yantra, mandala or yidam appropriate to your needs ? Can give
astonishing beauty,depth and harmony to these kind of transcendental
phenomena. Can adopt multi-dimensional combination of symbolic forms to
mirror various aspects of emerging enlightened mind. No need to impose
anything, just see what turns up.
Found mine through dreams - Jungian style - and keeping eyes open in
Buddhist bookshops and meditation halls - just knew what to use as there
would be subtle light flowing from it. Just bought a postcard of some of
the forms and placed on shrine or in kitchen on wall so could study it
in daily activities. Let it permeate mind and life deeper and
deeper...look up the theory later when the experience has begun to be
nurtured.
Eventually, pure forms were just manifesting spontaneously in meditation
and I would have to look a little deeper within and without to go to
their roots and discover the true depth and subtlty of their
significance.....perhaps the best experience was the simultaneous
manifestation of totally blinding light and jewel covered shrines of
heart and crown chakras....like seeing the Holy Grail twice over.
Don't get caught up in more mundane yogic psychic phenomena...why not
become a true meditator and move onto pure forms, cut through illusions
using kundalini as power source, brain and heart as refineries...this is
the biggest opportunity you'll ever have to go all the way...well, yes,
this is Buddhist propaganda, but it worked for me. A mandala can take a
lifetime or more to understand through direct realisation, and even then
one may only have started.....and if one integrates the mandala with
mantras and mudras and asanas appropriate to one's needs and
development...then, well, it gets pretty good ! Don't impose anything
though, just let it all arise from within and without spontaneously, hav
e to be very sensitive and still at times..Cannot take the esoteric
realms by force or will.
Good luck oh astral being - Tantric Tom (aka Yogi Tom)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:24:22 +0200
From: Kari Kärkkäinen <karikarATnospamutu.fi>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Why I am so great?
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Uh.. I have done some pooooring computer graphics
featuring Divine Spagetti (Mrs. Kundalini),
chakras and so on..
Check out: www.utu.fi/~karikar
Please dont forget ~-character..
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:05:55 +0200
From: Martin Koorts <MARTINATnospamKIDD.CO.ZA>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, karikarATnospamutu.fi
Subject: Cannabis and Kundalini
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9hi3
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
One question to all:
How many of you, or in general, how many Yogis use Cannabis as a "poison" to induce
these states?
I, for instance, cannot feel any Heat(my astral body) without the use of Cannabis.
Question to all:
How do you learn to do it naturally or does it not really matter how you get there? Dope
is dope.... Don't concern yourself like that....
I smoke Tabacco, my Dual but United friend smokes Cannabis. We won't stop.
Well here in South Africa it is not much of a great deal. What do you fellow Earthers
feel? What does your government tell you? Is Cannabis not the perfect and Holy
Herb except for all the other marvelous things you can do with it except the smoking
thereof.
LUW
Mic
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:04:16 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: direction of subtle energy flow in whole body - views ?
Message-ID: <Gg0ECJAQFULzEwPhATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
This is a big subject, but in practical terms I think it's crucial to go
deep into it if we are to go beyond the personal and esoteric realms and
develop a safe and popular understanding and practice of kundalini yoga
for Westerners.
While the subtle energy can take all kinds of forms and flow in all
kinds of directions along all kinds of channels, one particularly
powerful and persistent one I experienced for quite a while started in
the left foot and flowed up the left side of the body and to the head
and down to the right foot like it was following some kind of innate
path.
This made me think that starting all yoga exercises with the left foot
and left side of the body was appropriate as this was in harmony with
the natural flow of subtle energy.
But on checking methods I had used in the past and some yoga systems,
some seemed to advise starting on the right side. Now this could just be
a bit of Oriental logic, or maybe I've held onto a transient energy flow
pattern.....or well, maybe somebody out there has gone into this or had
similar experiences - would be interested to hear responses as don't
know whether to systematise yoga exercises by advising right or left
hand exercise first of all. Maybe it doesn't make any difference ? But
maybe it's crucial to avoiding pitfalls of "hot" and "psychic" energy
going the wrong way down the oneway street to nirvana......as I know
that prnayama is dangerous if don't understand need to start with ida,
cool channel rtather than pingala, right channel with all its fire and
psychic heat if untamed by ida first.
Another related issue is the flow many experience from the front trunk
to the forehead and crown and down the back, "Chinese martial arts
style", and the initial "Indian yogic style flow" up the back from the
coccyx to the crown and down to the hips and feet. The Chinese flow
initially seemed different in quality to me and I would use chi/ki to
desribe the subtle energy much more related to the meridians of
acupuncture, while the yogic flow from the base of the spine was a lot
more psychic and potentially transcendental, and I would use prana to
describe its nature as it fowed along the nadis....
But later on, the two really became one, and nadis and meridians, prana
and ki/chi became indistinguishable.
So maybe there are some pointers here to working out models for the flow
of energy at various levels of evolution of the kunbdalini experience so
people can make more sense of the varius phenomena they experience
following kundalini awakening and also prepare appropriate subtle
methods of yoga and martial arts techniques that can minimise the
dangers of malfunctions and blockages and harness this subtle energy to
wholesome spiritual and practical ends.
I think this debate could run and run....maybe all this is peripheral to
central spiritual role of kundlini as engine of transformation...but I
found I lacked any technical understanding that could have helped hold
things together whentimes got a little hot....
Regards Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
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