1997/03/15 15:17
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #97
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 97
Today's Topics:
K links
Re: the hara
Re: Stop
Solution.
Solution.
Re: Nutmegs + Solutions.
Re: the hara
Re: Stop
less is more
Re: the hara
Re: Help Please Again
All the chat.
Bringing kundalini up to date
Re: All the chat.
Re: Bringing kundalini up to date
Re: Solution.
Re: the hara
1, 2, 3
hara
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:29:51
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K links
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970314202951.320f87caATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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oops, my sig file didn't make it the first time...
The URL is: http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalni.html
Hello all,
I had written an article for the Seattle Area Spiritual Emergence
Network (SASEN) Newsletter about Kundalini Resources on the Web.
I added it to my website. It may serve as a starting point to
reach other sites. It probably would do well to update it, as
it has been a few months since I searched for new sites. I would
welcome input from others about your favorite K sites.
In light,
ori^
ori^
oriATnospameskimo.com
Kundalini Resources on the Web
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/kundalni.html
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:58:05 -0500 (EST)
From: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the hara
Message-ID: <970314235803_1647861133ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>
I'm sure I'll get a load of feedback on this, but -----
For heaven's sake, please rely a little more on the heart. It sound as if so
many of you (particularly guys) are coming from the mental body. There
should be a balance of these two subtle bodies, regardless of K.
Life is not ruled by just doing the *right* steps at the right time in
the right way. Some of us have had K awaken without any of that, without
even knowing what it was. We have to flow with it or go under. (I've heard
it called "Tuck and Roll" on this list.) No steps, no rules, no right or
wrong way, just go with the flow, get in touch with intuition and feelings,
and hope for the best; trusting all the while that what is right for growth
and evolution will happen.
Please don't just *think* about it before you respond, how do you *feel*?
Lovingly,
Kat
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:57:47 -0500 (EST)
From: BeamOfLiteATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stop
Message-ID: <970315005747_1409343840ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
It won't do any good. It's like a nightmare. It will just keep going on and
on.....
When I stupidly put myself on this mailing list I had no idea I'd be finding
a huge message base in my mail every day.
I asked to be removed -- but to no avail....
This seems to be happening to quite a few people.
We need the kundalini police.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:26:08 -0900 (AKST)
From: Jason <fsjra5ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Solution.
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970314211129.4978A-100000ATnospamaurora.alaska.edu>
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Many cannot seem to deal with the excessive number of posts sent through
the mailing list each day. There are two possible solutions:
I. Force everyone to post things related to kundalini and kundalini alone.
II. Tell everyone how to get a copy of Howard Stephen Berg's book on super
reading. :-)
As I type, there are some fireworks outside giving the night a
surrealistic mood. Almost as if I did not expect to be on this path, and
yet despite my expectations I am content. It is less than I wanted and
more than I needed. What fun, what fun.
P.S. Either the list is screwed up or no one read the help file sent to
them when they subscribed.
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 01:09:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Solution.
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960314021835.193f673aATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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>Many cannot seem to deal with the excessive number of posts sent through
>the mailing list each day. There are two possible solutions:
>
>I. Force everyone to post things related to kundalini and kundalini alone.
As soon as we figure out exactly what is NOT related to Kundalini, the
basic force of the entire universe... um...then we will draw up strict rules
of posting acceptability, and enforce them by ahhh....um, it gets stuck at
that part too, eh?
Where are the Kundalini police?
>
>II. Tell everyone how to get a copy of Howard Stephen Berg's book on super
>reading. :-)
More often they complain because we are overflowing our wisdom on thier
boss' time and computer.
>
>As I type, there are some fireworks outside giving the night a
>surrealistic mood. Almost as if I did not expect to be on this path, and
>yet despite my expectations I am content. It is less than I wanted and
>more than I needed. What fun, what fun.
Expectations, I think are the main cause of discontent.
>
>P.S. Either the list is screwed up or no one read the help file sent to
>them when they subscribed.
Nope, nobody does. Makes me laugh and laugh.
The list might be screwed up, but it works okay for me...
In fact, this week I very easily unsubscribed several people who it turns
out were quite indignant about it, but I figured if their mailbox has been
returning posts for several weeks, including returning my inquiries as to
whether they had died...they were gone.
Not so, apparently. For folks who are not getting thier mail, they sure
complained quickly.
Well, I don't complain about my mailbox stuffed with error messages from
the servers of folks who might be better off subscribing to the digest so
that they are not sending bounced posts everywhere when they run out of room
to store our missives of fabulous wisdom...
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*******************
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy.....let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Calvin and Hobbes have ascended...Blessed Be!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:57:18 -0500 (EST)
From: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmegs + Solutions.
Message-ID: <970315075716_-835550464ATnospamemout20.mail.aol.com>
Nutmeg - just thought I'd keep that post going for one more horrific email.
As for non K related topics overflowing mailboxes, I have a wild new concept!
If only one person, or a small select group are interested in the emails,
send it directly to them. If people want to be included in the
conversations, they can always write directly to the sender of the first
message and ask to be updated. Although many messages are fun for all to
follow, I think only four or five people were into the barrage of Nutmeg
related letters. I wrote the first one and was completely flabbergasted when
I saw endless replys. This is my second post on Nutmeg to this list! Also,
if the topic changes to the point where it deals with another topic, please
change the subject so I don't trash it automatically. I don't read all my
email because I get too much. Some days I sign on just so I can delete
everything not mailed directly to me.
Fa La La La La
Aaron :)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:50:19 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca
Subject: Re: the hara
Message-ID: <332AE15B.1E14ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Kat wrote:
> I'm sure I'll get a load of feedback on this, but -----
> For heaven's sake, please rely a little more on the heart. It sound as if so
> many of you (particularly guys) are coming from the mental body. There
> should be a balance of these two subtle bodies, regardless of K.
More Heart?
More metal bodies?
Balance?
Talking of Robots
who wants to say who should do what?
OK I'll do it.
Forget your preferences
whaddya need?
You know you need to do
what is right
but is it what you feel is right
or think is right
Well
a little bit of introspection is good
Do not believe the little demons
saying do this or this
but believe that which says nothing
but tells you what to do . . .
and now to repeat the words of Kat
who say it so much better . . .
> Life is not ruled by just doing the *right* steps at the right time in
> the right way. Some of us have had K awaken without any of that, without
> even knowing what it was. We have to flow with it or go under. (I've heard
> it called "Tuck and Roll" on this list.) No steps, no rules, no right or
> wrong way, just go with the flow, get in touch with intuition and feelings,
> and hope for the best; trusting all the while that what is right for growth
> and evolution will happen.
>
> Please don't just *think* about it before you respond, how do you *feel*?
Most Kind Regards
L L Lobster
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:26:13 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: BeamOfLiteATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stop
Message-ID: <332AE9C5.303FATnospamdial.pipex.com>
BeamOfLiteATnospamaol.com wrote:
> It won't do any good. It's like a nightmare. It will just keep going on and
> on.....
> When I stupidly put myself on this mailing list I had no idea I'd be finding
> a huge message base in my mail every day.
> I asked to be removed -- but to no avail....
> This seems to be happening to quite a few people.
> We need the kundalini police.
Dear Ms Beam of Light
Kundalini Police and Cructacean Patrol here,
First of All we work on the premise that you should be here.
We further believe that the nightmare is of your own choosing
just like this life . . .
So wake up or it will just go on and on . . .
Hey!
it will just go on and on . . .
anyway
As we always say
If you don't like the kitchen
get into the frying pan
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
You are DOOMED to stay here for ETERNITY
HA HA HA . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (cc K Police)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:12:15 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: less is more
Message-ID: <332AE67F.6894ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi Peter,
> > I wonder if Baby Buddha is related to Baby Jesus?
>
> Seriously, I think so. At least as archetypes.
> I tend to think they are both expressions of the innocent and
> childlike nature of God/Reality, the antidote to the image of the
> mean old man in the sky, we can hold a baby in our arms who is
> all the creative power in the universe
Good point
and do you think they are related to
. . . the devil?
> > Zen is something I never think about
> > but the Koan no one gave me
> > that I concentrate on
>
> yep, the Koan you had before your parents were born.
> I am glad you found it!
Found it?
Hell, I wrote it
(sorry to mention hell!)
Peace, Love and Nice things . . .
but seriously folks
what do you do with your unwanted koans?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
PS.
Sold my Soul to the Devil
"I am your own imagination"
said the Devil
but gave me a very good price
none the less
Now
I have not the heart
to tell the poor devil
that just like him
I have no Soul
to sell
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:55:20 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the hara
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>Jim B wrote:
>>
>> Zen (Chan) Buddhism resulted when Indian Buddhism expanded into
>> China and integrated with Taoism--particularly Taoist
>> internal alchemy.
>
>yes, I had forgotten about this connection of Zen with Taoism. It
>explains the emphasis on the hara in Zen.
>
>How do Taoists regard the heart chakra? Is the Taoist aim
>for immortality the reason why the hara is so emphasized at the
>expense of the other chakras?
Technically, I think the answer is that the hara is not perceived as a
chakra at all. There are three tan-tiens in Taoist physiology, each of
which is a location for the storage of energy. Roughly speaking these
three do correspond to chakra areas, but their intended use is different.
As for the heart chakra, the shen is said to reside in the heart--a common
translation for shen is heart-mind. When the shen travels up into the
head, discursive thought becomes possible, when it sinks down into the
abdomen, thought is silenced. This is another reason for the emphasis on
the lower position.
>> The most accessable intro to this is
>> "Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao" by Mantak Chia.
>> ... Alice Bailey also wrote
>> extensively about this same process in her Treatise on Cosmic Fire,
>> though using different terminology.
>
>Thanks very much for the info and references, Jim.
>The Taoism connection explains a lot.
>
>Do you think it is wiser for lay westerners to focus on the heart
>chakra rather than the hara? I wonder if this is an insight
>that the Christian tradition has realized?
>
>Cheers
>Peter
It may be wiser. But wisest of all may be to find a good teacher and
follow her/his instructions!
Jim
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:51:16 -0500
From: Ronald Westermann <ronwestATnospambellatlantic.net>
To: Klist <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Help Please Again
Message-ID: <332AA954.1F04ATnospambellatlantic.net>
Nancy Maestri wrote:
>
> Thanks To All
> I wrote several weeks ago to get help to get off this line. And several
> of you wrote back with the information that all I had to do was write
> unsubscribe in the subject area on my e-mail. I did that to no avail.
> I want you all to know that I am not computer literate(I am self
> employed with a biscotti business) but I need help from getting these 65
> some odd letters a day.
> Please what am I doing wrong that I am unable to get off this line. Take
> mercy on me and guide me step by step.
> As i said I have tried the unsubscribe thing in the subject area what am
> I missing???????
> thanks to all who may help
Hi Nancy:
That is odd. There could be a reason why you are still here. Some higher
purpose at work here. Maybe it's the biscotti. What is biscotti? Is is
anything like nutmeg?
Divine light empowers all
Ronald
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:13:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Demon <demonATnospammail.ballistic.com>
To: BeamOfLiteATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: All the chat.
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I just subscribed to this list and read all the hoopla about the posting
problem. I have never heard of Kungalini before, but I read a little
about the "going with the flow". Heed your on wisdom. These post will be
a part of every unmoderated list. Thats life. "tuck an roll...go with the
flow...
Demon
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:07:23, -0500
From: Thomas_VoxfireATnospamprodigy.com (NA GARDNER H REYNOLDS)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Bringing kundalini up to date
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-- [ From: Gardner (Spud) Reynolds * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
Howdy k-ites:
With all this talk of nutmeg, I am reminded that I have never posted
info to the list about the use of "mind-altering" substances and the
Sacred Serpent Flame in the purview of the Book of the Law. To wit:
On the Kundalini
>From Liber Al vel Legis (The Book of the Law):
Chapter II, verses 22 & 26:
22.I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and
stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and
strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet & be drunk thereof! It is a
lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be
strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture; fear not
that any god shall deny thee for this.
26. I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there
is joy. If I lift up my head, I and my Nuit are one. If I droop down
mine head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I
and the earth are one.
For those unfamiliar with Liber Al vel Legis; it is the document,
originally written on April 8, 9 and 10 of 1904, which is the foundation
of the Aeon of Horus (commonly called the New Age). It is quite short,
compared to most works of Holy Writ, and is composed of three chapters,
each dictated to the English adept, Frater Perdurabo.(Aleister Crowley).
The first is comprised of the words of the goddess Nuit, "Our Lady of
the Stars", the sky goddess who, in a more mystical sense, is the soul
of infinite space. She is usually pictured as blue and star-filled and
is shown arcing crescent-like over creation
The second chapter are the words of the god, Hadit, the male counterpart
or consort of Nuit. He is generally depicted as a winged globe. As Nuit
is glyph of the manifest Universe, or "the seen"; so Hadit is the
omnipresent point of consciousness, "the seer."
The third chapter is ascribed to Ra-Hoor-Khuit, the primary child of the
union of Nuit and Hadit. He is the hawk-headed sun god. He is the major
star that we on earth perceive in the firmament of Nuit.
It is with Hadit that this essay is most concerned. Hadit is the
kundalini in its most exalted sense. He is symbolized in the dress of
ancient Egypt by the hooded cobra at the front of the nemyss worn by
pharaoh and various deities. To rule properly in ancient Egypt it was
necessary to have the kundalini or Serpent Flame fully risen. This gave
pharaoh divine sight and perfect wisdom, necessary to the functioning of
the head of state.
This is similar to the way of the Maya of Mesoamerica. A Mayan king had
to be the mediator between gods and men. He must have divine sight to
perform his duties correctly. When the king lost this power, the Maya
fell. Much the same thing occurred in ancient Egypt.
Today, because of the advent of the Book of the Law and its effect on
modern men and women, the knowledge and practice of the use of this most
potent spiritual force is on the rise in society. Many people are no
longer content with using "one-eighth of the brain" and are seeking to
understand and use the chakkras, the spinal cord and the brain as they
were originally intended to be used: as one comprehensive entity united
in the force of the Serpent Flame.
The important thing to know and remember about effective use of the
kundalini is that, to take full advantage of it, it must be done
according to the methodology of the Book of the Law, as described in the
quotations above. Only then can the full measure of its power be
achieved.
The old order changeth, yielding place to new.
Thomas Voxfire
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:40:17 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: All the chat.
Message-ID: <970315114017_-1673137224ATnospamemout14.mail.aol.com>
Tuck and roll.?Whats going on at the Monroe I nstitute these days.Ionce got
these great tapes played them and tried to go oob.Very interesting stuff
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:01:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: NA GARDNER H REYNOLDS <Thomas_VoxfireATnospamprodigy.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bringing kundalini up to date
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I think is one final rule for kundalini: follow what feels right
inside. Believing some complicated methodology defeats the whole purpose
of practicing it. Practicing methodology may be necessary as a
means to an end but it must be realized as a metaphor. Taking some drug
is not some absolute sin(against yourself of course), it could be good or
bad. I think the potential is there to really break down your model of
the universe and show you the relativity of the universe with
these mystic drugs. However, I don't think the answers can be found from
taking these, maybe some hints and a good point of reference to help
"break through" the mundane plane for meditation practice. Frequent
and habitual use of them is obviously defeating their whole purpose and
playing with fire, but overall, I think they have the potential to be
real "eye openers" under the right set and setting and an optomistic
attitude, not "this is frying my brain!!!", which is obviously a lie,
unless it is actually believed.
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:45:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: joeATnospamflarity.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Solution.
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960314145504.0e37b08aATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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At 12:36 15/03/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>>
>> >Many cannot seem to deal with the excessive number of posts sent through
>
>Mystress,
><snip>
>In my estimation, the recent posts have all been K related and
>excellent. I think that adding a bunch of rules would be a burden to
>everyone. I would probably not even read them, so they would be a waste
>of time in my case.
>
>I suggest that new list members not be added to the list until they
>demonstrate they know how to get off my doing it once. Then you will
>know they have, at least, read the intructions.
>
>Thanks,
>Joe
>
Thanks for the input, Joe..
.in cyberspace you cannot see my tongue in my cheek.
I was kidding about the Kundalini police..
..I am more likely to toss out the few rules we have now, than to add any
new ones.
The list is a great and wondrous thing, I have found the Nutmeg thread in
particular, to be hilarious. Love and Joy and Laughter and Humor and
experimentation should be a part of the K. process, in my estimation.
But that's what we say in the Circus..the pilgrims probably see it
differently.
Blessings, Angelique
PS: I have nothing to do with creating hoops for new members, they
subscribe automatically. That part of the process works great.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy.....let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Calvin and Hobbes have ascended...Blessed Be!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:33:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Mary <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: LibraKat11ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: the hara
Message-Id: <199703152133.NAA05796ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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At 07:55 AM 3/15/97 -0600, Jim B wrote:
>>Jim B wrote:
>
>It may be wiser. But wisest of all may be to find a good teacher and
>follow her/his instructions!
>
>Jim
>
Many of us find the *Teacher Within* to be the "wisest of all".
Mary
>I'm sure I'll get a load of feedback on this, but -----
>For heaven's sake, please rely a little more on the heart. It sound as if so
>many of you (particularly guys) are coming from the mental body. There
>should be a balance of these two subtle bodies, regardless of K.
>
> Life is not ruled by just doing the *right* steps at the right time in
>the right way. Some of us have had K awaken without any of that, without
>even knowing what it was. We have to flow with it or go under. (I've heard
>it called "Tuck and Roll" on this list.) No steps, no rules, no right or
>wrong way, just go with the flow, get in touch with intuition and feelings,
>and hope for the best; trusting all the while that what is right for growth
>and evolution will happen.
>
>Please don't just *think* about it before you respond, how do you *feel*?
>
>Lovingly,
>
>Kat
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:53:44 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 1, 2, 3
Message-ID: <332B0C58.3FEAATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Peter Norton wrote:
> makes me wonder if monastery life gives one the necessary 'clean'
> background to focus on activating the hara? And for those of us
> not in a monastic setting, to follow the zen recommendations of
> meditating on the hara may be ill-advised? Then it makes more sense
> to focus on the heart chakra?
>
> But the question remains for me, why do zennists focus explicitly
> on the hara chakra, and not mention the other chakras? Or, maybe
> I have missed it in my studies. I think there is some clue here
> as to the importance of the hara chakra, maybe in its power to
> drive the development of the other chakras? To confuse the issue,
> it also seems that the hara in Zen refers to both the 2nd and 3rd
> chakras together, not just the 3rd.
>
> jeez, I think too much ...
> oh well
Ah, now I know what Kat meant . . .
- and Yep too much thinking.
The chakras do not exist in this 1,2,3 open the crown sort of way
one blends into another
In some systems they start at the top (yes really)
some at the base
the numbers are different
and the locations to do with convenient
places to concentrate and activate latent abilities
Most people need to know how to CLOSE them
not open them
and for those of you thinking shining a ray
through the favoured chakra
is going to make you a better person
- have you ever thought of modyfying your behaviour
I know its not as much fun
but it really does seem to change people . . .
Let me tell you the story you all know
about THE CHAKRA JUNKY
Once upon a time
a serpent tamer decided to pray to all the Deities
for enlightenment
Every day she meditated and prayed
fasted and studied the Holy scriptures
she was too busy to work
too busy for her family
in fact too busy to become enlightened
and then one day
she met just the right person
at just the right time
and they said:
you invented the deities
but we gave you work and family
as your practise
Now go and do the washing up
And do you know
she lived happily ever after
and never bothered to become enlightened
and this is a true story
I know, because I was that washing up . . .
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:53:52 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: hara
Message-ID: <332B1A70.4240ATnospambest.com>
Here's another point of view on the hara, from one who has spent
> considerable time "awakening" and "taming" it by another name.
> My tradition (a branch of wicca) teaches that in the beginning of the
> second era of man the races scattered across the oceans. They took with
> them the knowledge of the first era, held by their teachers and elders.
> These teachings speak of three souls of the body- I've given more
> information on them in the past to the K-list. The root words for these
> three souls are found in spoken language in Siberia, the polynesian
> islands, the ancient gaelic, and some chinese dialects. Descriptions of
> the human as a three-souled body are found in many of the oldest world
> religions.
> The confusion with hara as a chakra is understandable, but the term
> as I understand it refers to part of the immortal soul which must awaken
> and be purified to unite with the other two souls (in a process which is
> sometimes called "the time upon the cross") (kundalini) for true
> immortality {ascension). The chakra system is another model.
> The techniques for uniting the three souls are remarkable for
> smoothing the rough bumps of kundalini. I've given them here before.
>
> Use of the "Hara":
> As a healer, my belly often "burns" with great heat. Sexual energies
> are channeled into the healing "fire" which runs through my body. The
> energy runs from above my crown to the ground , then returns at the same
> time in an arc around the central core. Any person or group whom I
> identify with (we are one) feels waves of heat and energy through their
> body. Any concept structure which I hold through my united souls is
> integrated into all receiving the energy. The largest group I've touched
> in this way is 100, but that probably isn't the practical limit.
> This applies to natural events such as weather patterns, also (we are
> one).
> Morgana
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