1997/03/14 20:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #96
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 96
Today's Topics:
Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
K links
the hara
Re: Voices
Re: Nutmeg, Humbug and kundalini
Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Stop
Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
mailing list
Re: The hara and the heart in martial arts - continues....
RE: new address aagain
Re: the hara
Re: mailing list
We are The Cosmic Nutmeg: this is just the beginning.....
Joe and I can ride the same waves in our own way
Re: We are The Cosmic Nutmeg: this is just the beginning.....
Help Please Again
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:22:08 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
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In message <970313133558_-1874413494ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>,
DChern1123ATnospamaol.com writes
>Yes I wamt duh nutmeg experience, and if da vedas have recipies then I must
>have them, I omly ate a half a nutmeg ground onto my Basmati with clover
>honey last might and found God. Really,is there an ayurvedic use for
>nutmeg .Thanks
>
OM NAMO NUTMEG DEV - Are you aware that there is a nutmeg sect within
Tibetan Tantric Buddhism who live off nutmeg for years on end until they
simply become one with the universal nutmeg tht lies within us all ?
There is even a lineage of gurus who have experienced the essence of
primordial nutmeg throughout the ages and passed this taste onto others
who are ready for it....
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:37:36
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K links
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970314013736.2ae7705cATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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Hello all,
I had written an article for the Seattle Area Spiritual Emergence
Network (SASEN) Newsletter about Kundalini Resources on the Web.
I added it to my website. It may serve as a starting point to
reach other sites. It probably would do well to update it, as
it has been a few months since I searched for new sites. I would
welcome input from others about your favorite K sites.
In light,
ori^
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:51:27 -0600
From: JimBATnospampitnet.net (Jim B)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the hara
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>interesting, I agree it is a minefield, but it makes me wonder why
>the Zen tradition concentrates so heavily on activating the hara?
>There is not much exoteric writing in zen about chakras, but they
>sure do teach about the hara, e.g. Harada Roshi as quoted in
>'Three Pillars of Zen'. Kapleau Roshi talks about how his teachers
>told him to 'wake up the baby buddha in the pit of your stomach'.
>
>Is there some wisdom here or not? What do you think?
>
>"Keep your head cool and your belly warm." - old zen saying
Zen (Chan) Buddhism resulted when Indian Buddhism expanded into China and
integrated with Taoism--particularly Taoist internal alchemy. The hara is
the Japanese translation for the tan-tien, also called the "planting place
of the elixir" or the "sea of chi." The most accessable intro to this is
"Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao" by Mantak Chia.
In short, the mind is centered in the hara durring sitting meditation.
Since subtle energy (chi) goes where the mind goes, this serves to
accumulate chi in the hara. When the hara is filled, it is said to begin
vibrating, and the chi "spills over," sinking down to the genitals, then
the base of the spine, then begins the long trek up the spine to the crown.
A major difference with *some forms of kundalini yoga is that the energy
is then brought back down the front of the body, now refined, and "planted"
back in the hara. This does involve sexual energy specificly--the "baby
buddha," called in Taoism the "immortal fetus" (among a host of other
names), emerges from the blending of the energies of the mind (shen), the
breath (chi), and the sexual energy (ching). Alice Bailey also wrote
extensively about this same process in her Treatise on Cosmic Fire, though
using different terminology.
Jim
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 06:49:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Mary <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
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At 06:39 PM 3/13/97 -0800, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> All is Goddess, and I think it's prefectly okay to choose to travel with
>the circus instead of the pilgrims procession.
> Happy Surfing, Mystress.
and cracked me up! LOL LOL
Thanks! I love a good laugh...
M
>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:28:57 -0800
From: Joe Patrick Flarity <joeATnospamflarity.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg, Humbug and kundalini
Message-Id: <33297CC9.3C2ATnospamflarity.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
>
one needs spirals, paradoxes, laughter,
> childlike curiosity, gentleness, wholeness, spirituality - the best
> guide to this kind of view is Da Free John who has been fairly prolific
> with Dawn Horse Press in finding a language to suit kundalini.
Very good Tom,
I will remember this.
Ours is a
> dead, materialistic, fragmented culture in many ways, badly in need of
> the fire and fun and holistic universe that comes with the kundalini
> experience.
The world is as each individual perceives it. Some bite the breast even
as they drink of the bounty of life, while others see that even the
rocks are alive with wonder.
We are each, the center of the universe, just as early man believed it
to be on a global basis, it is the truth on the microcosmic level. The
world will get what it needs just as the individuals in it will do
likewise.
You attempt to graduate the individual experience to a global need
detracts from the more important message IMHO. The majority of people
do not need kundalini, otherwise they would have it. The soul knows its
own path. The ultimate experience in this life is built upon allowing
the soul's message to seep (by whatever method) into consciousness.
I dismiss outright, the collective evolution of man (even when preached
by such notables as Gopi Krishna) because they seem irrelevant to me at
this point in my journey. I share in your journey when I could look
into your eyes and feel the center flow. We share the ecstasy of this
wordless moment. If I am moving closer, I feel your warmth and comfort.
So go there list members and stay as long as you care to. Those of us
who care too, will share in your journey.
With the fragrance of cosmic dust,
Joe
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:03:14 -0500 (EST)
From: AGANGES9ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Message-ID: <970314120302_-1170702197ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>
Tom,
I am hoping this reaches you and all in the most excellent of health and
wonderous Spirits!!!!!! Being an herbalist among other things....I find this
most current "Nutmeg" situation interesting..<grin> But I Have to say....I
look forward to the suprise of your responces~~~you have a truly wonderous
mind...and I find your imput very enlightening~~~and your scense of
humor.....I LOVE IT!!!! Thank you, your like cracker Jacks~~~ a surprise in
every box, either way its simply delightful!!!
Thank you :))) with love always~~~Tess
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:04:18 -0700
From: BruceWenzlaff <judibruceATnospamcasagrande.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stop
Message-ID: <33298512.7B07ATnospamcasagrande.com>
Please stop forwarding mail to my address.
Unsubscribe judibruceATnospamcasagrande.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:17:16 -0700
From: BruceWenzlaff <judibruceATnospamcasagrande.com>
To: AGANGES9ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
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AGANGES9ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I am hoping this reaches you and all in the most excellent of health and
> wonderous Spirits!!!!!! Being an herbalist among other things....I find this
> most current "Nutmeg" situation interesting..<grin> But I Have to say....I
> look forward to the suprise of your responces~~~you have a truly wonderous
> mind...and I find your imput very enlightening~~~and your scense of
> humor.....I LOVE IT!!!! Thank you, your like cracker Jacks~~~ a surprise in
> every box, either way its simply delightful!!!
> Thank you :))) with love always~~~Tess
Unsubscribe kundalini-l judibruceATnospamcasagrande.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:08:01 -0500 (EST)
From: RKelshe69ATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: mailing list
Message-ID: <970314130800_-1673252707ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>
Please remove me from the mailing list. I have
enjoyed reading how important K is in everyones life. To tell you the truth I
am just now learning about Kundalini. A friend has lent me some great books.
What I would like is if someone could possibly send me the names of some
books that are easy to understand. Currently I am reading Kundalini The
Arousal of Inner Energy by Ajit Mookerjee. This books is a little hard to
follow for a beginner. I find myself reading the same pages 4 or 5 times to
get anything out of it. My new e-mail address is PXimenaATnospamaol.com if anyone
has any suggestions. I would love to be put back on the mailing list once I
have a little better understanding of K. Again Thank You.
Peace & Love,
Ximena
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:45:01 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The hara and the heart in martial arts - continues....
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:44:26 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
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To: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The hara and the heart in martial arts - continues....
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Tom Aston wrote:
> I'm sure Zen masters can handle working with the hara and the kundalini
> simultaneously as their svadhisthana (which Zen, as far as I know, would
> in some ways probably doubt the very existence of in terms of "reality")
> is probably pretty clean in the first place, it's just an unnecessary
> risk for Westerners who may have let things run riot more in the past in
> terms of their lower nature.
> Surely Kundalini is hard enough to handle without adding extra hurdles
> that only the exceptional practitioner can be sure of clearing safely.
> Many people trying to handle kundalini awakening have not performed the
> kind of foundation work that a Zen master would have. Does any of this
> make sense ?
Yes, very much. I think you have a key insight there about the
foundation work required for safe activation of the hara.
Thanks for your reply.
I often think that the fourth picture in the zen 'oxherding' series,
where the ox is caught and it thrashes around with tremendous power,
is a metaphor for the power of activating the hara chakra, which
wants to 'rise up' with great force, and the oxherder must 'keep
its head down'.
as in:
>
"I seize him with a terrific struggle.
His great will and power are inexhaustible.
He charges to the high plateau far above the cloud-mists,
Or in an impenetrable ravine he stands. "
"Comment: He dwelt in the forest a long time, but I caught him today!
Infatuation for scenery interferes with his direction. Longing for
sweeter grass, he wanders away. His mind still is stubborn and
unbridled. If I wish him to submit, I must raise my whip. "
<
see a clip of the 4th oxherding pic at
http://fas.sfu.ca/1/cs/people/ResearchStaff/jamie/personal/10_Bulls/4.html
makes me wonder if monastery life gives one the necessary 'clean'
background to focus on activating the hara? And for those of us
not in a monastic setting, to follow the zen recommendations of
meditating on the hara may be ill-advised? Then it makes more sense
to focus on the heart chakra?
But the question remains for me, why do zennists focus explicitly
on the hara chakra, and not mention the other chakras? Or, maybe
I have missed it in my studies. I think there is some clue here
as to the importance of the hara chakra, maybe in its power to
drive the development of the other chakras? To confuse the issue,
it also seems that the hara in Zen refers to both the 2nd and 3rd
chakras together, not just the 3rd.
jeez, I think too much ...
oh well
for ref, site on chakras:
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/chakras.html
"The solar plexus: This chakra is radiating a blue-violet light, and
also a golden light. When the solar plexus is pure, then one is at peace
with others, then one lives a life without conflicts, where all
relations are positive, and all conflicts are stopped and transformed
into exiting confrontations, where one is learning instead of fighting."
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:15:18 -0500
From: "Elwin J. Pretty" <eprettyATnospamtrytel.com>
To: "'k-list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: new address aagain
Message-ID: <01BC3082.334E9140ATnospamport22.trytel.com>
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>HI Elwin,
> Sounds like you have some exciting changes underway. Where will you be
>moving to? And, are you involved in the church with her? How does your
>meditation and kundalini info fit in with your church practice? I am on
>the centering prayer list also and they do seem to have some problems
>with kundalini. All is well and keep in touch. Do check out my homepage.
>Gloria
Gloria
I do not know where we will be going. In mid April Bet will be told which Conference she will be located but will only learn of the actual place one week before being ordained in late May.
Most people know of my meditation but are aware of other activities as medical problems. Bet is quite aware of what is and has happened to me and accepts that. In addition I was quite active in the church for quite a few years.
It is interesting how it happened as I had nothing good to say about the ministry. The spiritual world immediately took over and circumstances were brought about whereby I became active in the Presbytery which overlooks, in this area, some thirty pastoral changes. When I went to the first meeting I was lost, not knowing what to do but, that soon changed as soon as they found out I was an accountant. I was made treasurer and placed on the members at large list and placed on the executive. In addition I became a member of the education and students committee.
I soon became aware of the difficulties and problems that assailed these servants of God and became compassionate towards their ministry. My eyes were really opened in this respect. I guided the Presbytery through financial troubled times and left them in good financial shape.
I resigned because it was not fair to Bet when she became a student and I would be required to part of her education support committee. In addition my eyesight was failing and I just made too many mistakes. Since then I have been given artificial lens and can see better than ever.
I am sending the snail mail address in a separate note.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:23:05 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: the hara
Message-ID: <3329A599.69F9ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Jim B wrote:
>
> Zen (Chan) Buddhism resulted when Indian Buddhism expanded into
> China and integrated with Taoism--particularly Taoist
> internal alchemy.
yes, I had forgotten about this connection of Zen with Taoism. It
explains the emphasis on the hara in Zen.
How do Taoists regard the heart chakra? Is the Taoist aim
for immortality the reason why the hara is so emphasized at the
expense of the other chakras?
> The most accessable intro to this is
> "Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao" by Mantak Chia.
> ... Alice Bailey also wrote
> extensively about this same process in her Treatise on Cosmic Fire,
> though using different terminology.
Thanks very much for the info and references, Jim.
The Taoism connection explains a lot.
Do you think it is wiser for lay westerners to focus on the heart
chakra rather than the hara? I wonder if this is an insight
that the Christian tradition has realized?
Cheers
Peter
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:30:32 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: RKelshe69ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: mailing list
Message-ID: <cuXixBAYdaKzEwleATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970314130800_-1673252707ATnospamemout06.mail.aol.com>,
RKelshe69ATnospamaol.com writes
>
>
> Please remove me from the mailing list. I have
>enjoyed reading how important K is in everyones life. To tell you the truth I
>am just now learning about Kundalini. A friend has lent me some great books.
>What I would like is if someone could possibly send me the names of some
>books that are easy to understand. Currently I am reading Kundalini The
>Arousal of Inner Energy by Ajit Mookerjee. This books is a little hard to
>follow for a beginner. I find myself reading the same pages 4 or 5 times to
>get anything out of it. My new e-mail address is PXimenaATnospamaol.com if anyone
>has any suggestions. I would love to be put back on the mailing list once I
>have a little better understanding of K. Again Thank You.
>
> Peace & Love,
> Ximena
>
There are plenty of books on kundalini, it can be hard to get hold of
them though as they tend to be scattered between East and West and
published in small numbers, The Mookerjee book is quite heavy and
concentrated and academic, it's more of a reference book in some ways.
To get a taste of what kundalini is like as an experience and how it can
transform one's mind, the best starting point is perhaps Gopi Krishna
who went on to popularise understanding of the kundalini experience
throughout the world....try looking for the Kundlini Research Centre
site on the net which publishes some of his work or just ask your
nearest alterntive bookshop to get something by him....
Then there's Da Free John's account of his "awakening" - Knee of
Listening published by Dawn Horse Press which is less traumatic and
detailed than Gopi Krishna, but not necessarily to everyone's tastes....
To understand Kundalini Yoga as a discipline the best start is probably
Kundalini Yoga For the West by Swami Radha who draws heavily on the
classical Hindu Tantra, but makes it accessible for Westerners.
If you look at the back of Swami Radha's book there's a lot of other
books listed and it all really depends on your background and interests
which ones you go for. But note that this is all very new for the West
so you well find that you have to work a lot of this out for yourself,
thus the value of being on the mailing list should you decide to return
one day as people acquainted with direct knowledge of kundalini - its
boons and drawbacks - are hard to come by in conventional life.....and
may even be negative or critical if you tell them what's going on should
you have a kundalini awakening.
Have you read all the material compiled by Bill Peay at the excellent
KRC site ? There's plenty for starters, but don't listen to me, see what
else everyone recommends and follow your intuition.
Good reading and good luck to you - Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:09:50 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: We are The Cosmic Nutmeg: this is just the beginning.....
Message-ID: <wt1RlEA+JaKzEwh2ATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970314120302_-1170702197ATnospamemout17.mail.aol.com>,
AGANGES9ATnospamaol.com writes
>Tess wrote: Tom,
>
> I am hoping this reaches you and all in the most excellent of health and
>wonderous Spirits!!!!!! Being an herbalist among other things....I find this
>most current "Nutmeg" situation interesting..<grin> But I Have to say....I
>look forward to the suprise of your responces~~~you have a truly wonderous
>mind...and I find your imput very enlightening~~~and your scense of
>humor.....I LOVE IT!!!! Thank you, your like cracker Jacks~~~ a surprise in
>every box, either way its simply delightful!!!
>Thank you :))) with love always~~~Tess
Tom replies: Dear Tess,
As I'm new to this net business all this early encouragement is great
news for one who has wondered for quite a while who might find something
of value in all this experience that's been flowing through "me", or
what's left after so much fire and purification. I never wanted any
siddhas or to set myself up as some kind of super-being like some people
assume a pure yogi wants to or should do so - I just love communicating
and telling it like it is - the less one becomes, the more room for
clear vision and understanding - the guru is like smoke, the guru is a
cloud, the guru is like water, spiritual death and dissolution allows
the guru within to gently emerge into the light of day...I'm beginning
to understand how my job is simply to let everything flow straight
through my mind and heart and just refine it all a little and match it
to the particular needs I encounter, whether on the net or otherwise -
and that is not always as easy as it sounds when reality is such a vast,
subtle and paradoxical phenomenon when it comes to trying to point to it
even for those who know it well through their own experiences. Thus, the
humour and spontaneity - anything less begins to constrict the
unconstrictable. The net - given I've worked in the media and travelled
the world, is like my perfect medium as we can just play whenever
there's something to respond to - like eachother - and start the great
cosmic alchemy rolling in our own sweet way ! The diamond mind of buddha
reflects and refracts the light of wisdom and compassion in a million
faces, each unique to itself yet rooted in the one mind that is always
there should we care to notice.....
Just leaves me coming back for more and more, better than sex.....so I
become less and less....and the foundations for the future seekers go
deeper and deeper. This is indestructible work, it's the only work that
will endure for it is rooted in direct understanding of reality....or at
least glimmers of it.
Together with you my spiritual friend, in the Dharma Gaia, the Cosmic
Nutmeg and all that comes of Nutmeg, the Tao and anything else you fancy
to name - Yogi Tom
>
Thinking about writing a posting ((well, actually, in retrospect, this
has become the said posting !) along some more cosmic lines...thinking
about the relationship between the speed of light as the only absolute
in the physical universe and spiritual light as the only absolute in the
spiritual universe. Both govern the behaviour of energy, and the
manifestation of spiritual light is transcendental wisdom and
compassionate action - the highest form of which is the transmission of
understanding that goes beyond birth and death. Through wisdom and
compassion we discover our true eternal natures and lose all sense of
anxiety or seeking and become useful to others in a way that is
impossible to articulate - one is simply lost in an everdeepening
experience of both self and other in the present that never fails to
lead us back into the heart and pure mind - it is as if our own needs
begin to intermingle in a profound way with the needs of
"others"...until the very appearance of dualistic consciousness begins
to break down altogether on the conscious level and our action and
thought approach a glorious critical, but subtle, mass in which we
understand how the Godhead can manifest in every situation....In other
words, God is Love, and through the transmission of love in whatever
form is appropriate to our needs we go beyond space and time and enter
into the reality already mapped out for us by modern physics and the
great yogis of the past. This is a reality that is becoming more and
more accessible to everyone with the spread of global media and
communications and the evolution of the means to fix and transform the
most hopeless of situations. Call it what you like (the holisitc
paradigm is a popular title), but my God, it's happening, and it's
happening here and now. Welcome aboard all ye seekers and yogis....Happy
Holidays Yogi Tom
PS Have decided to leave this as it is and post it it in fit of
spontaneous insight ! Anyone recognise this intuition emerging in their
own communications on the net or life in general ?....Or am I imagining
things ?...anything on globalism, holism, the limitless expansion of
experience, infinite energy....would be most appreciated as I have been
holding back my real intuitions on these themes for ages in the face of
so much scepticism and resistance from less fluid and openhearted
beings....Cheers and thanks particularly to Tess for evoking this
response.
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:56:28 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, joeATnospamflarity.com
Subject: Joe and I can ride the same waves in our own way
Message-ID: <ove$hTA8tbKzEwzaATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
YES jOE, OH YES, THIS IS REALLY GOOD - there's room for all of our ideas
and experiences, they are not mutually exclusive - it is just that my
karma and personality is rooted in the political, economic, more
conventionally holistic culture of the "counterculture" that is slowly
permeating the materialism and alienation that is destroying and
exploiting the planet - I cannot really distinguish MY experience from
everything else, it's just a ride I'm going with with no agenda of where
it will all end. I know the rocks are full of life and a moment of
insight sets no agenda and that the Buddha waits and watches and
understands etc etc etc It's just that I've still got business to tie up
here and I cannot do it alone. So it's good to know someone else
intuitively knows when to point out that there is a vast universe of
questions and answers, and that these words are just one tiny
manifestation of the heart that has become a little purer than before.
I'd love to let go totally, but if you knew where I'm coming from and
all the suffering of "other" I've witnessed in so many worlds you might
understand that this is no mission to save the world or anyone, let
alone myself, it's just the ride I'm on....I haven't even laid a deep
foundation yet, so I'm working out the head first and gradually bringing
my forces together in a cohernet shape - it's rough and ready, alone we
are nothing, together we are one yet two....before I quote the Tao Te
Ching I'll hand back to the audience. Are we connecting on this ? My
heart says yes, my mind is a little less clear....Regards, Respect and
Yours in the Dharma Gaia Yogi Tom XXXXX
>Tom Aston wrote:
>>
> one needs spirals, paradoxes, laughter,
>> childlike curiosity, gentleness, wholeness, spirituality - the best
>> guide to this kind of view is Da Free John who has been fairly prolific
>> with Dawn Horse Press in finding a language to suit kundalini.
>
>Very good Tom,
>I will remember this.
>
> Ours is a
>> dead, materialistic, fragmented culture in many ways, badly in need of
>> the fire and fun and holistic universe that comes with the kundalini
>> experience.
>
>The world is as each individual perceives it. Some bite the breast even
>as they drink of the bounty of life, while others see that even the
>rocks are alive with wonder.
>
>We are each, the center of the universe, just as early man believed it
>to be on a global basis, it is the truth on the microcosmic level. The
>world will get what it needs just as the individuals in it will do
>likewise.
>
>You attempt to graduate the individual experience to a global need
>detracts from the more important message IMHO. The majority of people
>do not need kundalini, otherwise they would have it. The soul knows its
>own path. The ultimate experience in this life is built upon allowing
>the soul's message to seep (by whatever method) into consciousness.
>
>I dismiss outright, the collective evolution of man (even when preached
>by such notables as Gopi Krishna) because they seem irrelevant to me at
>this point in my journey. I share in your journey when I could look
>into your eyes and feel the center flow. We share the ecstasy of this
>wordless moment. If I am moving closer, I feel your warmth and comfort.
>
>So go there list members and stay as long as you care to. Those of us
>who care too, will share in your journey.
>
>With the fragrance of cosmic dust,
>
>Joe
>
--
Tom Aston
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:33:33 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: We are The Cosmic Nutmeg: this is just the beginning.....
Message-ID: <970314193333_1881740217ATnospamemout10.mail.aol.com>
Very fine thank you Tom.Yes it seems the whole world is moovingg in the
right direction right now better than ever in my life and I'm 48.It's
quickening too ,the pace ever faster ,lighter more energy.God bless you
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:02:57 -0500
From: Nancy Maestri <nancymATnospamvnet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Help Please Again
Message-ID: <332ABA21.64B4ATnospamvnet.net>
Thanks To All
I wrote several weeks ago to get help to get off this line. And several
of you wrote back with the information that all I had to do was write
unsubscribe in the subject area on my e-mail. I did that to no avail.
I want you all to know that I am not computer literate(I am self
employed with a biscotti business) but I need help from getting these 65
some odd letters a day.
Please what am I doing wrong that I am unable to get off this line. Take
mercy on me and guide me step by step.
As i said I have tried the unsubscribe thing in the subject area what am
I missing???????
thanks to all who may help
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