1997/03/13 20:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #95
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 95
Today's Topics:
Re: Nutmeg
Nutmeg, K, and other
Re: Joe's Teacher
Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Re: ADMIN: Unsubscribe Me
Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Da Free John
Re: Voices
Re: voices
Voices
Words of warning about Tantric Yoga
Voices
The hara and the heart in martial arts - continues....
Re: Blood Sugar, warning!
Da Free John - thanks for response and yes......
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:30:35 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg
Message-ID: <970313113034_-2007391531ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>
Yesterday I ate about half a nutmeg at around 7 P.M., and while meditation
this morning was light filled and very quiet I found that my attention
wandered easily and I decided that once again this was not the path to
God.Now that we've crossed nutmeg off,pumpkin seeds,,,banana skins,, can
bastis be next? My thanks to yogi Tom for sharing his experiences Tom, I'm
interested in tantric yoga,but am afraid of it at the same time .I can
overcome this fear for the goal if I feel comfortable with the
teacher,however.Waddaya say.
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:04:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Nutmeg, K, and other
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970313115848.27265D-100000ATnospamcoyote>
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Personally, I would not try nutmeg due to the awful taste alone!
That would pollute my "set" and probably mess up any positive results to
begin with. I have heard too many negative things about its toxicity to
make it sound worth my effort. This does not mean I am against the use
of entheogens, just be careful! A good starting place for entheogen
information is http://www.erowid.com
If we should ban nutmeg (which I hope is a sarcastic comment)
perhaps any K-practice should be banned as well. After all, it has been
known to make people think DIFFERENTLY! We can't have that! And we can't
allow people any rights over their own bodies, that just doesn't make
sense!
And Glenn Morris is some of the best reading material I have ever
come across. One word, PRACTICAL. He cuts thru the BS and gives
practical information and advice for both the yogi AND the martial artist.
His books almost seem to be written for me.... I heard he is working on
his third book (at least that's what he told me- I wrote him with some of
my energy anecdotes and he MIGHT just include some of my data)
That's all for now,
Steve
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:40:31 -0500 (EST)
From: HowardCushATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Joe's Teacher
Message-ID: <970313124029_1250758454ATnospamemout02.mail.aol.com>
Joe,
Your post to Colleen about your teacher made me curious. Do you actually
have a teacher who is qualified, by experience and tradition, to evaluate K
stuff to the degree it seems you referenced? Does anyone else?
This is the question of the year for me because sometimes my K symptoms seem
right-on, and other times downright off-base. I've been thinking about
contacting someone for perspective, and perhaps advice, but the truth is I
would trust almost no one with this in the world of folks who make quick
pronouncements without direct knowledge or experience.
But the right person would be such a blessing. Because who could really say,
for instance, whether the uprising K is on perfect track or needs some
adjustment? Who could really say what kind of adjustment is called for?
Most of the time I just surrender as a fallback, more concerned about
attempting to push the river than to ride the tide.
So, putting out the call to everyone. If you personally know someone like
this, please pass along the info. Thanks.
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:16:52 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Andy <A_K_SwindellsATnospamCompuServe.com>
Subject: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Message-ID: <b3gzHAAEaDKzEwVDATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <199703131043_MC2-1284-B62AATnospamcompuserve.com>, Andy
<A_K_SwindellsATnospamcompuserve.com> writes
>>>>Dear Nutmeg researchers,
>Tom Wrote :-
>>>>
>>>>It's good to know someone has their finger on the pulse of the really
>>>>big issues of the day and is ready to root out dangerous narcotics that
>>>>threaten the very fabric of our society. Let's ban nutmeg now. JUST SAY
>>>>NO TO NUTMEG......Nancy, Bill...are you there ?
>
>>>>Yogi Tom - founder of the yogis against nutmeg solidarity front
Here's a little more that may amuse you:
Did you know that peasant farmers in South America are profiting from
this deadly trade in nutmeg, that meditators and yogis are going out of
their minds thanks to this evil drug, that Mr Bigs in cartels protected
by fellow imperialist nutmeg conspirators the CIA in Colombia and Panama
are threatening the Western financial system by washing their filthy
bloodstained nutmeg profits through our (nutmeg-free) institutions. And
it all starts with people like you who say YES to nutmeg....I say fry
the nutmeg pushers and their customers, give em a taste of the
lash....... (man falls to floor foaming at mouth at thought of millions
of yogis getting high on nutmeg)......send in the marines...abomination.
...damnation.... gurgle gurgle foaming cursing - someone's laced my
drink with nutmeg....aaagggghhhhh - dies. Collapse of civilisation as we
know it as nutmeg permeates every street corner, food chains, water
supplies....and it all started HERE at the KRC mailing list.
On a more sincere note, has anyone else got some nutmeg experiences they
would like to discuss, perhaps I can help them through these sometimes
difficult and traumatic nutmeg rites of passage ? You see, I understand
what you're going through - I've been there, I know that hell only too
well, and I'm with you all the way, apparently the Vedic scriptures
discuss various techniques for using nutmeg to achieve enlightenment and
liberation, but I am unable to disclose these over the net as they are
too dangerous for the uninitiated to try on their own. But let me tell
you, they'll blow your mind if you try them.
Any thoughts out there, fellow "nutmeggers"?
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:07:00 -0500 (EST)
From: STMSFOATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unsubscribe Me
Message-ID: <970313130602_-1940264021ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>
Please unsubscribe me from the kundalini mailing list.
Thank you-S Marshall
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:35:59 -0500 (EST)
From: DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Nutmeg- the beginning of the end......the saga continues
Message-ID: <970313133558_-1874413494ATnospamemout01.mail.aol.com>
Yes I wamt duh nutmeg experience, and if da vedas have recipies then I must
have them, I omly ate a half a nutmeg ground onto my Basmati with clover
honey last might and found God. Really,is there an ayurvedic use for
nutmeg .Thanks
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:57:09 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Da Free John
Message-ID: <33285C15.CF1ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
> the best guide to this kind of view is Da Free John who has been fairly prolific
> with Dawn Horse Press in finding a language to suit kundalini. Ours is a
> dead, materialistic, fragmented culture in many ways, badly in need of
> the fire and fun and holistic universe that comes with the kundalini
> experience. Is this useful ? Any specific feedback would be helpful as I
> am writing on these themes for a Western readership
Hi Yogi Tom, thanks for all the good advice.
Do you have any personal experience with Da Free John you would
care to share? I hear it is very difficult to approach him
personally as a teacher now?
I just got the reissued 'The Knee of Listening' which has
been greatly expanded and put out in an inexpensive paperback
for only 5$. I would highly recommend it
to anyone interested in contemporary avatars in the league of
Ramana Maharshi and Ramakrishna. There are videos of his satsangs
which are pretty good. I personally only got a feel for his teaching
after seeing the satsang video, the books didnt really cut it for me.
Apparently, the yoga scholar George Feurstein was a long time student
of Da Free John's, and has some 'criticisms' of his conduct towards
some disciples, described in his book 'Holy Madness'. Nothing too
serious, though.
Da Free John's picture is a possible candidate for the on-line shaktipat
picture gallery, check it out:
http://www.adidam.org/
"If there were no enlightened teachers in this world,
then it would truly be a hell, instead of only being like a hell."
-Da Free John, video 'The Bodily Location of Happiness' (paraphrased)
"There is nothing you can do, you see,
for the you that can do anything must be undone."
-Da Free John, (forget the source, sorry)
cheers
Peter
(get instant shaktipat for free from Shakyamuni Buddha in person!
at my very own web page:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/ )
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:18:30 -0600 (CST)
From: stampmanATnospamix.netcom.com (Daniel Rusch-Fischer)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-Id: <199703132018.OAA19270ATnospamdfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
Dear Tyrone,
I am always amazed by the erudition in the esoteric that can be
demonstrated by people like yourself. There are not many on the list
that can quote 'chapter and verse'; that takes dedication and study.
Mostly we just muddle around with speculations and suppositions -
please keep us informed when we need it; I am certain you will do so
gently as we are a 'sensitive' bunch =-).
Love and LAUGHING LIGHT
Dan-RF
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:15:16 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: voices
Message-ID: <33286054.6196ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Tom Aston wrote:
> ...
> If I was you I would stop meditating on the chakras below the heart as
> these can be a source of all kinds of trouble. Stay with the heart and
> why not meditate on the heart or just bear witness with the heart while
> doing your tai chi - in other words move out of the hara as this is
> centred on the svadhisthana which is a minefield of psychic and sexual
> trouble unless really pure.
interesting, I agree it is a minefield, but it makes me wonder why
the Zen tradition concentrates so heavily on activating the hara?
There is not much exoteric writing in zen about chakras, but they
sure do teach about the hara, e.g. Harada Roshi as quoted in
'Three Pillars of Zen'. Kapleau Roshi talks about how his teachers
told him to 'wake up the baby buddha in the pit of your stomach'.
Is there some wisdom here or not? What do you think?
"Keep your head cool and your belly warm." - old zen saying
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:12:26 GMT
From: tyrone.waltonATnospamhhbbs.com (Tyrone Walton)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Voices
Message-Id: <858298346ATnospamhhbbs.com>
Was doing a search on the subject of kundalini.I found this website.That
might be of interest to some.The name of the site is:Vibrations In
OBE-ing and Mysticism. The address is
http://www.lava.net/~goodin//articles/alfred1.html.
I found a couple of answers to questions I had. Good sight for those
interested in or practicing Nadam Yoga,and Kundalini Yoga.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:04:12 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, DChern1123ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Words of warning about Tantric Yoga
Message-ID: <Q+ShlEAMQKKzEwFsATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <970313113034_-2007391531ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>,
DChern1123ATnospamaol.com writes
>Yesterday I ate about half a nutmeg at around 7 P.M., and while meditation
>this morning was light filled and very quiet I found that my attention
>wandered easily and I decided that once again this was not the path to
>God.Now that we've crossed nutmeg off,pumpkin seeds,,,banana skins,, can
>bastis be next? My thanks to yogi Tom for sharing his experiences Tom, I'm
>interested in tantric yoga,but am afraid of it at the same time .I can
>overcome this fear for the goal if I feel comfortable with the
>teacher,however.Waddaya say.
>
A yogi writes.....Tantric yoga can be both terrifying and wonderful
beyond description so gradually approach it through books, friends,
contacts, research, cultural interests and - above all - inner awareness
of what your spiritual needs are - maybe you're better off without
"formal" Tantra and instead should just use some of the simpler
principles such as working with one's dualistic experience to deeper
forms of wholeness and integration and integrating one's energies
without any dramatic jumps or changes or methods imposed from without.
But even these natural and spontaneous approaches can bring change that
many other approaches to kundalini could take ages to realise and so
there are risks. Tantra changes everything, turns the universe upside
down and the Tantric guru can come when you least expect it if you start
something without first laying a foundation. Don't look for sudden
insights, think longterm about where and who you'd like to be in say 10
or 20 years time, or how you want to be on your deathbed, or what your
true vision of existence is in the depths of your heart. Pure motivation
is the very least one needs even to think about Tantra, combined with a
radical sense of spiritual responsibility for one's own development and,
inspite of ourselves, everything that happens to you. It's also
necessary to find some way of recognising the cosmic naature of one's
individual existence and how everything has spiritual potential and
spiritual implications.....in this context it's best to forget about any
ideas you had about sensual indulgence being a spiritual boon in Tantra
as this only has relevance in very specific circumstances and even then,
is not really essential.
Without knowing your background or experience or abilities I have no
idea whether it's right for you, but do please be very careful - read up
on the Tibetan Tantra and the Hindu Tantra as these are the basic
knowledge you need at the very least to evaluate if you may be suited
and to judge whether a teacher knows what he or she is talking about.
Having recommended books, now, in true Tantric fashion I will point out
that Tantra can only be experienced directly and is quite beyond any
conceptual formulae. One has to live Tantra at every moment, that's why
it has to be an organic process of change that comes from the purest and
most wholesome part of one's being - anything less will be like building
on sand.....
In the end you're on your own and it's you who does the work and
preparation and pays the price if things go nasty and cruel in
spiritual/psychic terms - and believe me, Tantra gone wrong is the
ultimate hell. You are playing for high stakes so it is really a life
choice that eclipses any other decision you could make. You have to
acquire the relevant knowledge and ignorance is not bliss - it is
potentially a total disaster in terms the materialistic mind can never
fathom.
Have no illusions - the Tantra exacts a price, and that is your ego and
conditioned mind and all that go with them. The criteria for success in
Tantra are not easily recognisable in mundane terms as ego death is not
exactly number one priority in Western culture, so think about that too
just as a starting point.....if in doubt stick to the heart and let it
purify everything for you in its own quiet way rather than try to do
something extraordinary through Tantra and risk flying too close to the
sun.
If however, Tantra begins to work on you, then it may be necessary to
get up to speed very rapidly as there is simply no alternative but to
cooperate with a kundalini bent on teaching you about esoteric aspects
of yoga.
Play with what you've got, both good and bad, and refine and transform
these energies and forms in what ever way seems appropriate, but avoid
offending others...a bit of secrecy and stillness may be required at
times as some pretty astounding truths can emerge from within that
others may find hard to stomach if you articulate them openly. Also, be
very careful about using any psychic abilities or worldly powers that
may manifest along the way, as any gains from them will come back to
haunt you tenfold.
I hope this gives you a glimpse of just what a vast and terrifying world
Tantra is, so beware, but remember it may just bring a very pure form of
enlightenment if you get it right so it's worth investigating in a very
cautious way even if you never actually engage with tantra in a form you
may imagine it to take at present.
Plenty more where that came from.....if you are interested in hearing
about my very simple ideas (which simply materialised as kundalini and
the inner nectar got to work on my brain) about relatively safe forms of
Tantra in practice based on profound forms of wisdom and compassion that
cannot blow up in your face - rather than anything psychic or sexual,
please ask, but perhaps it would be best if YOU tell me what you think
Tantra may involve for you before we go any further as this may give us
something more tangible to work with.....have you read anything on it ?
Have you met any Tantric yogis ? Have you ever used any aspects of its
philosophy in some way ? If not, best to keep it all at arm's length for
a while until you have a better experience of what it's all about.
Good luck to you and do be careful, this stuff is fire and you are the
tinder. waddyasay ? - Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:39:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Voices
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Thanks Tyrone, interesting site!
I did a tiny little edit...the link only works without the extra period
you typed on the end, probably by reflex, ending the sentence. And without
the extra / before 'articles'.
Posting links requires careful typing...I usually cut and paste the URL
from the browser location window to the email and leave space around it,
just to be sure it will work.
I hear voices, but usually they are inside of my head. Neato when they are
outside. If they are in my life, then I created/attracted them on some
level, and so I listen to what they have to say.
I know I am well protected, so they must be speaking manifest in my
highest good.
Besides, they are fun!
Some say to ignore the phenomena, focus on centre...I say "Life continues
to be Amusing" and why not have fun and enjoy the sights and experiences on
the journey?
Wierd stuff happening is how we measure that we are awakened, we judge a
Saint by thier miracles. I measure my own progress by the coincidences,
miracles and manifestations of my ongoing journey. They don't distract me,
they keep me focused on limitlessness and joy.
All is Goddess, and I think it's prefectly okay to choose to travel with
the circus instead of the pilgrims procession.
Happy Surfing, Mystress.
>Was doing a search on the subject of kundalini.I found this website.That
>might be of interest to some.The name of the site is:Vibrations In
>OBE-ing and Mysticism. The address is
http://www.lava.net/~goodin/articles/alfred1.html
>
>I found a couple of answers to questions I had. Good sight for those
>interested in or practicing Nadam Yoga,and Kundalini Yoga.
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy.....let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Calvin and Hobbes have ascended...Blessed Be!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:31:20 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Subject: The hara and the heart in martial arts - continues....
Message-ID: <p+Lv1GAopKKzEwicATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <33286054.6196ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>, Peter Norton
<pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> writes
>Tom Aston wrote:
>> ...
>> If I was you I would stop meditating on the chakras below the heart as
>> these can be a source of all kinds of trouble. Stay with the heart and
>> why not meditate on the heart or just bear witness with the heart while
>> doing your tai chi - in other words move out of the hara as this is
>> centred on the svadhisthana which is a minefield of psychic and sexual
>> trouble unless really pure.
>
>interesting, I agree it is a minefield, but it makes me wonder why
>the Zen tradition concentrates so heavily on activating the hara?
>There is not much exoteric writing in zen about chakras, but they
>sure do teach about the hara, e.g. Harada Roshi as quoted in
>'Three Pillars of Zen'. Kapleau Roshi talks about how his teachers
>told him to 'wake up the baby buddha in the pit of your stomach'.
>
>Is there some wisdom here or not? What do you think?
>
>"Keep your head cool and your belly warm." - old zen saying
>
This is all good stuff and pretty profound and much of it is beyond my
experience, all I'm adding to the picture is that once kundalini gets
working on the lower chakras, the safest place to be is in the heart
with a little touch on the rudder of the ajna chakra now and then just
to make sure things hold together and don't become too diffuse or
scattered. Your tai chi may suffer for a while aesthetically, but at
least you're not churning up the dark waters of the subconscious and the
imagination that lie in the svadhisthana.
There'll be plenty of time for working with the belly and the head when
everything's nicely balanced, purified and integrated by the heart. I
actually went from hara work in shiatsu and tai chi and qi gong to heart
work to defuse the buildup of psychic energy in the svadhisthana that
began to emerge because of my centring energy in the hara - until it was
safe to work with both the heart and the hara simultaneously once the
svadhisthana was clear of impurities along with freedom from all the
trouble that the books tell us this can bring.
This may sound rather technical, laboured and even contrived, but it
worked and got me out of what was becoming a potentially nasty situation
with an overactive libido and lower nature.
I'm sure Zen masters can handle working with the hara and the kundalini
simultaneously as their svadhisthana (which Zen, as far as I know, would
in some ways probably doubt the very existence of in terms of "reality")
is probably pretty clean in the first place, it's just an unnecessary
risk for Westerners who may have let things run riot more in the past in
terms of their lower nature.
Surely Kundalini is hard enough to handle without adding extra hurdles
that only the exceptional practitioner can be sure of clearing safely.
Many people trying to handle kundalini awakening have not performed the
kind of foundation work that a Zen master would have. Does any of this
make sense ?
Yogi Tom
--
Tom Aston
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:27:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Blood Sugar, warning!
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960312203709.0bff39baATnospamdomin8rex.com>
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Fortunately for me, it's usually just low blood sugar from K. setting my
brain afire.
But indeedy, do check for a physical cause for symptoms before presuming
it's just K. symptoms based on something you read on the internet.
K. has been known to knock some folks physical systems for a loop as the
stuff works out anyway. The evolution is spirit a n d body.
This list has a few doctors on it, but they are not your family physician.
My choice is usually an alternative practicioner first like a naturopath
or chiropractor.
>From: " Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
<snip>
>The same symptoms Colleen and I descirbed can indicate serious problems such as
>diabetes. Diabetes is very serious business. It can lead to blindness, kidney
>failure, heart disease, nerve damage, and a lot of other things, including
>death. The same symptoms can also be caused by a brain tumor, which can kill
>and having watched someone die that way it is as bad a way to go as I hope to
>ever see. There are other possible causes but these should be enough to
>indicate the seriousness of the possible problems.
>
>Assuming you don't have the health problems my comments in the last post stand
>unaltered. If the throat lock doesn't work immediately (by the 2nd or 3rd day)
>get thee to a M.D. and haul-ass doing it.
>
>Thanks to those who pointed out my oversight.
>
>Namaste,
>Joe
>---------------------------------------------------------
The onset of new allergies and sensitivities seems common, as well as
cravings for certain foods. It is a unique and individual thing, what your
diet will end up being as the process continues.
It is said that for the seven years he meditated under the Bohdi tree to
become the Buddah, Siddharta lived on nothing but cannabis seeds and
flowers. The Nirvana Diet plan.
In fact, cannibas seeds are even higher in essential fatty acids than flax
seed oil. Nutritionally, they are the perfect food for humans. Essential
fatty acids are mostly what your nerves are made of, so be sure to get lots
of them for healthy K.
Don't worry about becoming fat as Buddah unless you are sitting around
under a tree all day.
(Joke: What's the title of S. Rushdie's new book? "Buddah, You Fat F*ck.")
Good healthy slow burning oils for even blood sugar. I use a lot of butter
and cream, too. My genes allow it, white girl pale enough to turn blue in
winter. Not for everybody, but avoid oils that have been preserved by
heating, and artificially hardened fats, like margarine. Undigestible, they
coat cells, reducing nerve conductivity and forming cellulite.
I find that my body likes natural, unrefined sugars that are rich in
minerals. Dark demerra sugar, honey, dark maple syrup and molasses,
especially molasses for hormonal sugar cravings. The potassium fixes the
balance. It will stop chocolate cravings, too.
Blessings, Angelique.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy.....let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
Calvin and Hobbes have ascended...Blessed Be!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:10:10 +0000
From: Tom Aston <yogi.tomATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Subject: Da Free John - thanks for response and yes......
Message-ID: <Kfx3dUACOLKzEwVtATnospamtantrictom.demon.co.uk>
In message <33285C15.CF1ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>, Peter Norton
<pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com> writes
>Tom Aston wrote:
>> the best guide to this kind of view is Da Free John who has been fairly
>prolific
>> with Dawn Horse Press in finding a language to suit kundalini. Ours is a
>> dead, materialistic, fragmented culture in many ways, badly in need of
>> the fire and fun and holistic universe that comes with the kundalini
>> experience. Is this useful ? Any specific feedback would be helpful as I
>> am writing on these themes for a Western readership
>
>Hi Yogi Tom, thanks for all the good advice.
>
>Do you have any personal experience with Da Free John you would
>care to share? I hear it is very difficult to approach him
>personally as a teacher now?
This response - above and below - is just the kind of thing that helps
one understand how Da Free John can be useful in deepening one's
understanding of kundalini. Thanks a lot - any other responses more than
welcome and should serve practical purpose for helping other yogis.....
Secondly....Well, as you ask, I did have some very interesting times
with Da Free John - in spirit, at least - when he joined my pantheon of
gurus and yogis and I would meditate on them very deeply.... a lot of
light and well, there really was a powerful connection with the head
chakras that would be hard to put into words. It lasted for a few weeks
and then things moved on. I found his writings made sense after I had
experienced what they were pointing to, (reassuring, yes, but perhaps it
would have been even better if they had helped me recognise what was
possible before it actually occurred !) which made me realise that
perhaps one of the next stages in articulating the esoteric realms of
kundalini for the Western psyche was to provide a step ladder up to his
kind of stuff and, well, maybe that was something I could get started
with seeing as I couldn't find much that was very useful and I searched
desperately hard, and I had a background in writing and the
media.....it's really a matter of being a clearing house and facilitator
for so many sources that are usually very hard to link together and
articulate in a way accessible to the Western mind.
Thanks again - Yogi Tom
>
>I just got the reissued 'The Knee of Listening' which has
>been greatly expanded and put out in an inexpensive paperback
>for only 5$. I would highly recommend it
>to anyone interested in contemporary avatars in the league of
>Ramana Maharshi and Ramakrishna. There are videos of his satsangs
>which are pretty good. I personally only got a feel for his teaching
>after seeing the satsang video, the books didnt really cut it for me.
>
>Apparently, the yoga scholar George Feurstein was a long time student
>of Da Free John's, and has some 'criticisms' of his conduct towards
>some disciples, described in his book 'Holy Madness'. Nothing too
>serious, though.
>
>Da Free John's picture is a possible candidate for the on-line shaktipat
>picture gallery, check it out:
>
>http://www.adidam.org/
>
>"If there were no enlightened teachers in this world,
> then it would truly be a hell, instead of only being like a hell."
>-Da Free John, video 'The Bodily Location of Happiness' (paraphrased)
>
>"There is nothing you can do, you see,
> for the you that can do anything must be undone."
>-Da Free John, (forget the source, sorry)
>
>cheers
>Peter
>
>(get instant shaktipat for free from Shakyamuni Buddha in person!
> at my very own web page:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1756/ )
>
--
Tom Aston
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