1997/03/06 18:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #86
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 86
Today's Topics:
Re: Sleep/Meditation
EEG and meditation
Today
Studip siddhi..
Re: Sleep/Meditation
re: stupid siddh...
Re: Studip siddhi..
Re: EEG and meditation
Re: Karma
psychic abilities
New, grounding
Re: Oooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Re: Studip siddhi..
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:07:12 +0000
From: Elliot Diamond <niyameATnospamsprynet.com>
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Subject: Re: Sleep/Meditation
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Greetings.
Many years ago i completed one of the larger studies comparing Yoga, Zen
and Transcendental Meditation concerning physiological processes. Since
the group has been pondering sleep and meditation, i thought this may be
alittle helpful. This represents a fragment of the whole....so please
do not draw any conclusions from just this bit.
EEG. One of the first systematic electrophysiological studies during
TSR (Trained State of Rest) was by Wenger et al, who investigated
autonomic functions of practitioners of yoga in India. This study
reported no consistent change in EEG patterns during physical and mental
yoga activities. Alpha waves of slower frequency and higher amplitude,
which denote a state of relaxation, were recorded in some subjects.
Additional data concerning EEG patterns were contributed by Bagchi and
Wenger. The EEg patterns of fourteen subjects were recorded while they
sat in the lotus position and practiced different techniques of "deep
rest". The average recording was for forty-nine minutes. During this
time it was shown that the normal waking patter of 8.5 to ll cycles per
second prevailed. The authors noted that yogic "deep rest" represented
deep relaxation of the autonomic nervous system without drowsiness or
sleep.
Anand et al. studied EEG waves of four yogis and reported prominent
alpha wave activity before and during the practice of yoga; alpha wave
amplitude increased as the practice continued.
Although Anand's study indicated a persistent and well-modulated alpha
activity in adepts in their ASC, it failed to employ a control for the
assumed independent variable. Nevertheless, both the study of Anand and
the Bagchi and Wenger indicate findings contrary to those of Das and
Gastaut. Specifically, Das and Gastaut reported "high amplitude fast
waves" whereas the Anand and Bagchi studies found prominent alpha wave
activity.
Electrical Resistance. Studies concerning electrical skin resistance
also indicate a state of relaxation. for this test a state of
relaxation in characterized by a "high resistance" reading on a
galvanometer. Studies by Wenger, Bagchi and Wenger, and Kasamatsu and
Hirai uniformly indicated an increase in electrical skin resistance
during "deep rest". For example, Bagchi and Wenger found that
electrical resistance of the palm always increased during "deep rest"
compared with the control period. The median increase for each subject
was 56 percent. Six sessions of four subjects each showed the highest
increase-- 70 percent to l06 percent. An unexplained subject variance
was found, however.
Transcendental Meditation
EEG. Similar findings on EEG during Zen and yoga are noted in the
literature on TM. Banquet reported that during the practice of TM there
was a consistent shift from alpha to slow frequencies, mostly theta and
mixed frequencies, with an occasional low and medium voltage delta
wave. The dominant alpha usually slowed by one or two cycles. Wallace
and Benson reported a marked intensification of alpha waves in 36
subjects. Typically there was an increase in intensity of slow alpha
waves at 8 or 9 cycles per second. In several subjects theta waves also
were recorded.
Electrical Resistance. During TM comparable results as those seen
in Zen and yoga are reported. Wallace and Benson noted that during TM
their subject's skin resistance to an electric current increased
significantly. In some cases, there was an increase of over 500 percent
after only l0 minutes of TM. No sex differences were reported.
INFERENCES FORM THE LITERATURE
Although the results of studies completed on yoga, Zen and TM seem
impressive, there are many criticisms focused oh meditative techniques
(Krishnamurti, Perls). In general, the primary objection is that people
who engage in practices designed to produce personal growth tend to
separate these practices from the rest of their lives. Perls argues
against meditation because of what he considers to be a catatonic-like
withdrawl and coercive interference with the spontaneous flow of one's
life.
With a few possible exceptions, studies on yogis and Zen adepts are not
scientifically definitive because of failure to employ necessary
controls and are useful only for suggesting ideas for future research.
The literature is also marked by different authors using the exact same
subjects under the experimental situations, and is characterized by
inadequately defined terms such as "meditation" and "expert."
Despite the inadequacies of many of the studies, it appears that
practicing yoga, Zen or TM causes some beneficial changes on the body.
It has long been known that mental states can markedly alter physiologic
functions. Hypermetabolic states, with associated increased oxygen
consumption, blood pressure, and heart rate accompany stressful
situations. This set of conditions was described many years ago as the
"fight or flight" or "defense alarm" reaction. The aroused sympathetic
nervous system mobilizes a set of physiological responses and causes the
above changes. Landis noted changes in the metabolic rate "oxygen
consumption) experimentally in response to emotion-arousing stimuli, an
electrical stimulation. Landis found that during the anticipatory
period there was a quick rise in metabolism (mean rise of 20 percent)
followed by a rapid fall during electrical stimulation. The author
attributed the increase in metabolism to vascular changes involving a
marked reduction in the volume flow of the blood. This reduction in the
blood flow causes a decreased amount of oxygen getting to tissues and
the increased metabolism. Hypometabolic physiologic changes, other than
those occurring during sleep and hibernation, are more difficult to
produce, but seem to accompany TSR.
A hypometabolic state is characterized by reductions in oxygen
consumption, carbon dioxide elimination and the rate and volume of
respiration, carbon dioxide elimination and the rate and volume of
respiration; a slight increase in the acidity of arterial blood; a
marked decrease in the blood-lactate level; a slowing of the heartbeat;
a considerable increase in skin resistance, and an electroencephalogram
pattern of intensification of slow alpha waves with occasional theta
wave activity (Wallace). Most of these physiological modifications,
which connote physiological relaxation, have been noted in individuals
practicing yoga, Zen, and TM, albeit inconsistently.
Although the majority of physiological studies just discussed were
completed on TM, this was done only because newer studies utilizing
better experimental designs and larger sample sizes were available.
Most of the previous studies on yoga and Zen have indicated, however,
similar physiological correlates which imply stress release with
TSR.
This material represents a slice of a 100 page thesis i did for the
Pennsylvania Drug Abuse Council in the early 70´s. I can provide more
information for those who are really interested.
wramly.
elliot
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:18:00 +0000
From: Elliot Diamond <niyameATnospamsprynet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: EEG and meditation
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resending post...not sure if i went out right...sorry if its a
duplicate.
elliot
Greetings.
Many years ago i completed one of the larger studies comparing Yoga, Zen
and Transcendental Meditation concerning physiological processes. Since
the group has been pondering sleep and meditation, i thought this may be
alittle helpful. This represents a fragment of the whole....so please
do not draw any conclusions from just this bit.
EEG. One of the first systematic electrophysiological studies during
TSR was by Wenger et al, who investigated autonomic functions of
practitioners of yoga in India. This study reported no consistent
change in EEG patterns during physical and mental yoga activities.
Alpha waves of slower frequency and higher amplitude, which denote a
state of relaxation, were recorded in some subjects. Additional data
concerning EEG patterns were contributed by Bagchi and Wenger. The EEg
patterns of fourteen subjects were recorded while they sat in the lotus
position and practiced different techniques of "deep rest". The average
recording was for forty-nine minutes. During this time it was shown
that the normal waking patter of 8.5 to ll cycles per second prevailed.
The authors noted that yogic "deep rest" represented deep relaxation of
the autonomic nervous system without drowsiness or sleep.
Anand et al. studied EEG waves of four yogis and reported prominent
alpha wave activity before and during the practice of yoga; alpha wave
amplitude increased as the practice continued.
Although Anand's study indicated a persistent and well-modulated alpha
activity in adepts in their ASC, it failed to employ a control for the
assumed independent variable. Nevertheless, both the study of Anand and
the Bagchi and Wenger indicate findings contrary to those of Das and
Gastaut. Specifically, Das and Gastaut reported "high amplitude fast
waves" whereas the Anand and Bagchi studies found prominent alpha wave
activity.
Electrical Resistance. Studies concerning electrical skin resistance
also indicate a state of relaxation. for this test a state of
relaxation in characterized by a "high resistance" reading on a
galvanometer. Studies by Wenger, Bagchi and Wenger, and Kasamatsu and
Hirai uniformly indicated an increase in electrical skin resistance
during "deep rest". For example, Bagchi and Wenger found that
electrical resistance of the palm always increased during "deep rest"
compared with the control period. The median increase for each subject
was 56 percent. Six sessions of four subjects each showed the highest
increase-- 70 percent to l06 percent. An unexplained subject variance
was found, however.
Transcendental Meditation
EEG. Similar findings on EEG during Zen and yoga are noted in the
literature on TM. Banquet reported that during the practice of TM there
was a consistent shift from alpha to slow frequencies, mostly theta and
mixed frequencies, with an occasional low and medium voltage delta
wave. The dominant alpha usually slowed by one or two cycles. Wallace
and Benson reported a marked intensification of alpha waves in 36
subjects. Typically there was an increase in intensity of slow alpha
waves at 8 or 9 cycles per second. In several subjects theta waves also
were recorded.
Electrical Resistance. During TM comparable results as those seen
in Zen and yoga are reported. Wallace and Benson noted that during TM
their subject's skin resistance to an electric current increased
significantly. In some cases, there was an increase of over 500 percent
after only l0 minutes of TM. No sex differences were reported.
INFERENCES FORM THE LITERATURE
Although the results of studies completed on yoga, Zen and TM seem
impressive, there are many criticisms focused oh meditative techniques
(Krishnamurti, Perls). In general, the primary objection is that people
who engage in practices designed to produce personal growth tend to
separate these practices from the rest of their lives. Perls argues
against meditation because of what he considers to be a catatonic-like
withdrawl and coercive interference with the spontaneous flow of one's
life.
With a few possible exceptions, studies on yogis and Zen adepts are not
scientifically definitive because of failure to employ necessary
controls and are useful only for suggesting ideas for future research.
The literature is also marked by different authors using the exact same
subjects under the experimental situations, and is characterized by
inadequately defined terms such as "meditation" and "expert."
Despite the inadequacies of many of the studies, it appears that
practicing yoga, Zen or TM causes some beneficial changes on the body.
It has long been known that mental states can markedly alter physiologic
functions. Hypermetabolic states, with associated increased oxygen
consumption, blood pressure, and heart rate accompany stressful
situations. This set of conditions was described many years ago as the
"fight or flight" or "defense alarm" reaction. The aroused sympathetic
nervous system mobilizes a set of physiological responses and causes the
above changes. Landis noted changes in the metabolic rate "oxygen
consumption) experimentally in response to emotion-arousing stimuli, an
electrical stimulation. Landis found that during the anticipatory
period there was a quick rise in metabolism (mean rise of 20 percent)
followed by a rapid fall during electrical stimulation. The author
attributed the increase in metabolism to vascular changes involving a
marked reduction in the volume flow of the blood. This reduction in the
blood flow causes a decreased amount of oxygen getting to tissues and
the increased metabolism. Hypometabolic physiologic changes, other than
those occurring during sleep and hibernation, are more difficult to
produce, but seem to accompany TSR.
A hypometabolic state is characterized by reductions in oxygen
consumption, carbon dioxide elimination and the rate and volume of
respiration, carbon dioxide elimination and the rate and volume of
respiration; a slight increase in the acidity of arterial blood; a
marked decrease in the blood-lactate level; a slowing of the heartbeat;
a considerable increase in skin resistance, and an electroencephalogram
pattern of intensification of slow alpha waves with occasional theta
wave activity (Wallace). Most of these physiological modifications,
which connote physiological relaxation, have been noted in individuals
practicing yoga, Zen, and TM, albeit inconsistently.
Although the majority of physiological studies just discussed were
completed on TM, this was done only because newer studies utilizing
better experimental designs and larger sample sizes were available.
Most of the previous studies on yoga and Zen have indicated, however,
similar physiological correlates which imply stress release with
TSR.
This material represents a slice of a 100 page thesis i did for the
Pennsylvania Drug Abuse Council in the early 70´s. I can provide more
information for those who are really interested.
wramly.
elliot
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:08:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Today
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960305082229.0c177810ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Daniel:
Pain is often fear being released. Try to breathe it out, give it love.
Find a big nice tree and sit with your back against it,
feel the life and sap flowing.
If you have someone close who can help, ask them to hold you lying down
spoon-fashion on your left sides, you in front. This is a tantric healing
position that will help to rebalance your energy. And, it is an ancient
comfort.
If these is none to do this, find a tree, or a lawn, earth to press your
spine against. Let the tears flow, give your pain to the Earth to be
transformed.
A hot bath will loosen some of the energy, and water is very K.
conductive, + the positive ions, it is a womb comfort, too.
It kicks your traumatized body back into proper acid balance. Stress makes
the blood go alkaline. This causes it to lose calcium, and calcium is a mood
regulator.
A tablespoon of apple cider vinegar and honey each, in a glass of hot
water, sipped slowly will fix your blood ph, your brain sugar (K. is hungry,
and sugar is the only food your brain can use) and give you a fix of calcium
and potassium. It also contains healthy bacteria to replace what died off
with the stress.
There are ways to help this go more gently....but the drama has it's own
beauty, doesn't it? In the intensity of feeling, there is an increased
awareness of the gift of life. The Tao is round.
Flax seed oil will also help the K. to move more smoothly, it increases K.
conductivity by absorbing the fatty nerve toxins (old fears held in the
body, K. wants them ooouuuttt!!...and margarine, deep fry oil, undigestible
fats coat the cells and reduce nerve conductivity) and transforming them. It
will also boost your immune system past a lot of the minor illnesses of K.
I take 9 capsules a day, it controls my excema.
The hot and cold, I get that one...feverish restless then shaking chilled
aching bones. Alternating so quickly sometimes it seems both at once. Hot
bath, or crawl into the warm waterbed and try to sleep, let my unconscious
smooth it out.
Like now, time to sleep....Blessings, Angelique.
>Hello to all
>
>
>Right now, as I write I have some really strong physical pain. It is at the
>base of my spine ( gee?) and while it feels physical it is sending energy out
>the top of my head so strong it is hard to stand up. My emotions right now are
>crazy as well. I just want to cry. I can't tell if I'm being burned or if cold
>water is goind down my back.
>
>I don't mind this. While it is not pleasant, it is profound. That alone
>sustains me.
>
>I just wanted to share
>
>Daniel
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
*******************
My personality is made up of a committee I call Mystress Angelique Serpent.
Trying to credit who I am channelling/manifesting at any given moment would
make my writing look like the authors list of the infinite number of monkeys
who wrote Hamlet.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:56:11 +0200
From: Kari Kärkkäinen <karikarATnospamutu.fi>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Studip siddhi..
Message-Id: <19970306165615Z32030-9733+1864ATnospamutu.fi>
Well.. does anyone have this kind of psychic
"gift": when you stare at someone, her/his face
changes and there can be many faces one after
another. This strains eyes very much.
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:54:45 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sleep/Meditation
Message-ID: <331F04E5.1AFEATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
Hi All,
An interesting tidbit in the sleep/meditation puzzle is the finding
by some meditation/biofeedback researchers that meditators in samadhi
have 'brainwaves' similar to deep non-rem sleep, yet they are
'awake'. This is a clue that what is happening is that meditators
are consciously accessing that realm of consciousness that we all
unconsciously access in deep sleep.
I read about this in Peter Ochiogrosso's book 'Through the Labyrinth'
in which he has a long section profiling the researcher who did this
work, whose name I forget, but who apparently has a lifetime of
experience in this field of research, somewhere in the Midwest,
I believe.
Also, in Ramana Maharshi's 'Who Am I' pamphlet, somebody asks him
what is the difference between dreams and waking consciousness, and
he said something like 'one is short and the other is longer'.
I, for one, certainly agree that we all go to a school of some
kind or other in deep sleep. Most of my own 'deep' experiences of
prayer, out-of-body, light, love, energy, paradise realms, hell realms,
etc. have occurred in sleep, and the only reason I remember them, is
they woke me up.
It is also interesting that it is said those with fully risen K
need only 3 hours or so of sleep. I think someone mentioned that
a while ago, and I have read similar anecdotes of saints, such as
zen master Dogen's teacher, needing little sleep. So, maybe access
to samadhi takes the place of sleep? Also explains why meditation
retreats start around 4:30 am!
cheers
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"The Great Gospel Women" vols I and II, Shanachie 6004,
especially Mahalia Jackson's 'City Called Heaven' on vol II, whew!
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:01:05 -0700
From: danieltATnospamhaag.LA.ColoState.EDU (Daniel Tal)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: stupid siddh...
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I don't know if this will help... In One of his books, Brian Weiss ( Many Live
Many Masters) talks about an excersice he uses at his Past Life seminars. He
has two people sit in a dim room and stare at each others faces. What you start
seeing is that persons past lives, guides or maybe even dead relatives.
You perhaps have the ability to see that with out the dim rooms. Sounds
erie.
Daniel
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:03:08 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Studip siddhi..
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Kari Kärkkäinen wrote:
>
> Well.. does anyone have this kind of psychic
> "gift": when you stare at someone, her/his face
> changes and there can be many faces one after
> another. This strains eyes very much.
have read of something similar in Kornfield's book 'A Path With
Heart', chapter on 'kundalini and other side-effects' where guy who
sat for 24hours straight described this experience when he looked at
people he saw trails of their lives through them.
shows the tenuousness of ordinary time, or at least the two
dimensional nature of physical time. a la Hawking et al.
cheers
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 12:46:00 -0800
From: Peter Norton <pnortonATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: EEG and meditation
Message-ID: <331F2D08.35F0ATnospamatwc.teradyne.com>
great stuff! thanks a lot for posting it.
Elliot Diamond wrote:
> ...
> With a few possible exceptions, studies on yogis and Zen adepts are not
> scientifically definitive because of failure to employ necessary
> controls and are useful only for suggesting ideas for future research.
> The literature is also marked by different authors using the exact same
> subjects under the experimental situations, and is characterized by
> inadequately defined terms such as "meditation" and "expert."
>From what I've read, it seems to not be clearly established by
the researchers whether the meditator is capable of samadhi or not.
This may account for the confusion in all the results?
Measuring just physiological relaxation without the experience
of samadhi is not going to show much, I would think.
It seems that the samadhi experience is still pretty rare in Zen and TM?
(not that I know, never having experienced it ...)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:03:03 -0800 (PST)
From: " Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: eiregrayATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Karma
Message-Id: <199703070003.QAA03578ATnospamf13.hotmail.com>
Anita,
>Over the weekend someone told me that Kundalini borders on
>your karma. Has anyone heard this before?
I see you've gotten several good posts on this subject, for what its worth,
here's my post.
I, too, don't understand the phrase "Kundalini borders on your karma" but I
think whoever said it was addressing the interaction of the two. Using karma as
the general term for cause & effect that follows from one lifetime to the next
I can think of a few possible meanings, based on teachings in the Vedic
tradition.
The most direct is the fact that if one achieves a healthy Kundalini rising to
the brow (6th) chakra in one lifetime, in the next life the Kundalini will be
at the brow chakra at birth. Sort of like a wonderful savings account that
carries over from one lifetime to another. That may hold true at 5th chakra
too, but I am not certain. [My memory is not perfect, which makes it a good fit
with the rest of me :-).]
There are also the impacts of karma on the extent of the Kundalini process at
lower levels. It can impact the process in many ways.
For example: If a person gets too "attached to sex" (make it the center of
one's life, not just one of the enjoyable parts) in one lifetime or perhaps
misuses a person for sexual pleasure, in the next life that person may have a
Kundalini rising through Vajra nadi (the sexual nadi) and not one of the
"healthy" nadis. Such a person would live for sex. Unless corrected, such a
rising can _never_ result in enlightenment, usually leads to misery, and often
leads to self-distruction in that lifetime.
(As most readers know the term nadi refers to a pathway or tube in the body
through which Kundalini passes from one chakra to another. Only a very few lead
all the way to the crown and possibility of enlightenment.)
But the most important meaning may be, no matter the grace, luck, or effort, a
student can not get the Kundalini to the center of the crown chakra (THE GOAL!)
and therebye achieve enlightenment and avoid future rebirths, until all karma
is burned through spiritual practice. The practice could be meditation, good
works, etc. as appropriate to the student, not necessarily what the student
would prefer :-(.
Good to talk with you again.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:41:20, -0500
From: fluteATnospamprodigy.com (CAROLYN MALONEY)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: psychic abilities
Message-Id: <199703062341.SAA133396ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
I do not like the work psychic .. it makes me shutter.. Everyone has
psychic abilities . the intuition.
The kundalini awakened and healers seem to have it more because they
have tuned in and fine tuned that feeling.
Yes.. you can and anyone can glimpse past lives.. thru the type of
meditation where you sit across from the person.. sit exactly like
they do, close your eyes and watch the pictures in your mind. I
worked with a locally recognized person that taught me to do this.
Just describe what you think.. dont' try to analyze it. you may feel
you are in a scene from somewhere.. Look down at your own feet in the
visualization then to your right then to your left.. describing what
you see or feel. It was totally amazing.
flute
intuitive explorer/empath/Reiki Master Teacher
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:56:39 -0800 (PST)
From: gpiperATnospamglenn-co.k12.ca.us (Gloria Piper)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: New, grounding
Message-Id: <199703062356.PAA16051ATnospamintergate.glenn-co.k12.ca.us>
Hi!
Guess I'll introduce myself. I'm 57 and first experienced spiritual
stirrings in the 1960s, which knocked me out of my agnosticism. I'll only
give you a few bones of the skeleton of my experiences, since a little over
the years adds up. I was manuevered spiritually into the Christian
Charismatic Movement of the late 1960s & early 70s, which provided a safe
environment for the glorious experience of the spirit baptism, complete with
identifying manifestations that are mentioned in Scripture. When the
Movement faded, I was led in another direction and in the 1980s experienced
the Cosmic Flash, which is explained in The Man Who Tapped the Secrets of
the Universe, by Glenn Clark, which tells of Walter Russell and his
experience. You'll find him listed in many web sites. I didn't become a
genius, but, as with the spirit baptism, it increased my understanding of
certain spiritual and psychic matters. Then in 1992, perhaps as a result of
studying Tai Chi, I experienced a very mild but pleasant rising of the
Kundalini.
Tai Chi was a very important move in my life because I'd been living
too much in my head and didn't understand the significance of it. Grounding
is definitely necessary if you want to be balanced. With the Baptism of the
Holy Spirit, I'd gotten so sensitive that the environment poisoned me. I
was sick for several years. Now I'm well, but I still have to be cautious
about exposing myself to so many of the chemicals we are emersed in
nowadays. I meditate on my center, just below the navel, instead of in my
head. The visualizing of being rooted, like a tree, is very good. Think of
the roots as energy. And I learned that crystals weren't what I needed. To
be grounded, I discovered that a box of ordinary rocks, cleansed of contact
by others, under my bed had an amazingly comforting and restful effect.
Actually all I did was wash them in cold water before putting them under the
bed. Grounding isn't something you attain in a short time, but when you
begin to attain it, you will be surprised at the balance you achieve. :)
gpiper
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:15:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Oooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Message-ID: <970306201538_-802960224ATnospamemout03.mail.aol.com>
well ive thought about this and when i reach samahdi the humm that i hear
sounds suspiciously like aum if sounded in a constant aaoommaaoomm
it sounds very much like dipping in and out of samahdi.
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:43:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Studip siddhi..
Message-ID: <970306203652_-870069829ATnospamemout08.mail.aol.com>
this is very cool.i learned this by staring at myself in the mirror.then the
face
and body disapear it clouds over sorta obscures you cant see threw it but
you can see it.then the akasha condenses.theres a lot of confusion between
the invisibility siddhi and the object of your attention disapearing.for sure
it is
a step to true invisibility.the world is full of magic.
oh yea try placing the palms of the hands over the eyes and directing
positive energy into them.
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