1997/03/06 07:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #85
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 85
Today's Topics:
Re: Today
Re: Today/back pain
Re: karma
Re: Today
back pain
Sleep/Meditation
mental vs. physical
Re: karma
Kindling Kundals
RE: Continuation of "Lurker Coming Out!"
Re: Today/back pain
Re: Sleep/Meditation
Re: Sleep/Meditation
Re: Sleep/Meditation
Re: Today
RE: Continuation of "Lurker Coming Out!"
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Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:51:47 EST
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Date: 3/5/97 1:40 PM
Hello to all
Right now, as I write I have some really strong physical pain. It is at the
base of my spine ( gee?) and while it feels physical it is sending energy out
the top of my head so strong it is hard to stand up. My emotions right now are
crazy as well. I just want to cry. I can't tell if I'm being burned or if cold
water is goind down my back.
I don't mind this. While it is not pleasant, it is profound. That alone
sustains me.
I just wanted to share
Daniel
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:57:40 -0700 (MST)
From: cameron dye <purenrgATnospamgoodnet.com>
To: Daniel Tal <danieltATnospamhaag.LA.ColoState.EDU>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Today/back pain
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Hi all,
With all the talk about back pain, I thought I'd toss in my .02
When I am meditating and K starts to rise up (it doesn't usually happen
when I'm not in a meditave state) it will often stop at the second or
third chakra which produces a rather uncomfortable pressure in my low
back. I focus intensly on the area and try to completly get in tune with
the chakra. I work on making it open completly and begin to spin it in a
clockwise direction. As the chakra fully opens, the pain goes away and
the K moves up to the next chakra in line. Once I have them all open and
spinning, the sensations feel almost like a massage on my spine rather
than somebody standing on my back.
light and love,
Cameron
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On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Daniel Tal wrote:
> Hello to all
>
>
> Right now, as I write I have some really strong physical pain. It is at the
> base of my spine ( gee?) and while it feels physical it is sending energy out
> the top of my head so strong it is hard to stand up. My emotions right now are
> crazy as well. I just want to cry. I can't tell if I'm being burned or if cold
> water is goind down my back.
>
> I don't mind this. While it is not pleasant, it is profound. That alone
> sustains me.
>
> I just wanted to share
>
> Daniel
>
>
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:24:44 +0000
From: Robert Chalmers <csbsATnospamcableinet.co.uk>
To: Andy <A_K_SwindellsATnospamCompuServe.com>
CC: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: karma
Message-ID: <331D2DCA.C3DATnospamcableinet.co.uk>
Yup, I am working on the thesis that kundalini arousal can affect your
karma. Bad or good? I don't know if the categories means anything...
However, the other part of the thesis is more interesting. I have been
aware for some time that my karmic repayment is becoming very "instant"
and I tend to pay for anything "negative" very soon afterwards. For
instance, if I have been ungrateful and unco-operative towards my boss,
when I later become a boss myself I immediately have an ungrateful and
unco-operative member of staff. Boy, what a pain!
That is a big change to my earlier life.
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:48:45 +0000
From: Robert Chalmers <csbsATnospamcableinet.co.uk>
To: Daniel Tal <danieltATnospamhaag.LA.ColoState.EDU>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Today
Message-ID: <331D3367.3A9ATnospamcableinet.co.uk>
Daniel Tal wrote:
>
> Hello to all
>
> Right now, as I write I have some really strong physical pain. It is at the
> base of my spine ( gee?) and while it feels physical it is sending energy out
> the top of my head so strong it is hard to stand up. My emotions right now are
> crazy as well. I just want to cry. I can't tell if I'm being burned or if cold
> water is goind down my back.
>
> I don't mind this. While it is not pleasant, it is profound. That alone sustains me.
>
> I just wanted to share
>
> Daniel
Daniel,
I experienced this once myself. I am sorry to say that this was one of
the most distressing experiences amd the nearest thing to hell on Earth
I ever had, several years after my initial kundalini awakening. I had no
one to talk to about it and thought I was going mad. I went to the
doctor who was concerned about me but didn't think my sanity was in
question. I was fortunate, though, to have my girlfriend to look after
me, and I just stayed in bed for several days. In my case, I don't
think I slept for 4 or 5 days. I couldn't work...
However, the good news is it was over a few days later. Hold on tight...
Now, I must say that the must important source of healing for me was
turning once more to God. I don't know if you read the Bible but try
Numbers 4-9. There is an amazing drawing in the Good News Bible
particularly. This passage was given to me during my experience and
helped me greatly.
Do you spot the "spelling mistake" above?
Please stay in touch with me daily and tell me what you are feeling. To
be alone with this energy is no picnic.
With Love.
Robert Chalmers
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:52:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Elsner <selsnerATnospameagle.ycp.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: back pain
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I am not sure if my k is active in the literal sense you all speak
of, but I have experienced lower back pain during times of energetic and
emotional cleansing. It was severe, and was only relieved when I
participated in a large reiki group meditation, and then received my
attunements... I still get the pain sometimes but it's FAR less intense
and more manageable. If you are curious, perhaps I can help. Email me if
you would like to request distant reiki. Also consult my work in progress
home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5515/
If you have any questions about reiki or the path I am traveling,
please ask!
One more comment- lately the list messages have had tremendous
informative quality. Keep it up! (Even though I seem to be receiving
fewer messages...)
love, Steve!
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:13:59 -0500
From: Aron Price <aronATnospamone.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sleep/Meditation
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Everyone,
Recent postings have rekindled a question I have been
pondering for a long time. What is the difference between meditation and
sleep? I have found in my own experiances that Kundalini can be triggered
by both, and both have always involved very similar mind states. The
Australian Natives call all of reality the dreamtime and many of them
meditate a lot and perform k-like feats.
Aron
(I'm Back! Thank Kundalini!)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:41:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Nothing Is <holi0007ATnospamitlabs.umn.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: mental vs. physical
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Most of the stuff I've read on kundalini practice is physically
related(ailments, etc.). The reason I got into hatha yoga and kundalini
was to conquer my mental fears, especially my shyness. This attribute of
mine has held me back from ever approaching people and is my life long
struggle....any similiar examples? I'm not too experienced with this
meditation thing yet but I hope it will pave the road...
The answer is simple,
Nothing Is
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:16:22 +0800
From: "hoppy" <hoppyATnospamupnaway.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: karma
Message-Id: <199703052319.HAA08653ATnospamklingon.upnaway.com>
Me too!
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> From: Robert Chalmers <csbsATnospamcableinet.co.uk>
> To: Andy <A_K_SwindellsATnospamcompuserve.com>
> Cc: INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: karma
> Date: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 4:24 PM
>
> Yup, I am working on the thesis that kundalini arousal can affect your
> karma. Bad or good? I don't know if the categories means anything...
>
> However, the other part of the thesis is more interesting. I have been
> aware for some time that my karmic repayment is becoming very "instant"
> and I tend to pay for anything "negative" very soon afterwards. For
> instance, if I have been ungrateful and unco-operative towards my boss,
> when I later become a boss myself I immediately have an ungrateful and
> unco-operative member of staff. Boy, what a pain!
>
> That is a big change to my earlier life.
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:28:15 -0800
From: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kindling Kundals
Message-ID: <331E720F.673CATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Hi,
> Kundalini is not something you try like, bowling, or spaghetti, this
> is a divine energy that you have inside you that awakens.
Whilst what you say is true
it is a slight on the spiritual reality
of a bowl of pasta
I was taught great wisdom by a lamp post (street light)
It had been painted white and red
and made me realise that all things are an expression
of innate reality
Everything is a language that alludes or points to something
underlying its existence.
Tomatoe sauce or meat balls?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 01:22:01 UT
From: "Larry Killen" <LkillenATnospammsn.com>
To: "Aron Price" <aronATnospamone.net>, "Kundalini, List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Continuation of "Lurker Coming Out!"
Message-Id: <UPMAIL05.199703060122360970ATnospammsn.com>
I could be wrong but it sounds almost as if you doubt some K
stories. Not that it is bad to do that but I think it is important to
understand the tribal mentality which seems to be what a culture with large
amounts kundalini grows in to. Aboriginal people base reality not only on
the physical world but on the dreamtime, which is inclusive of both waking
and sleeping conciousness. Viewing things this way not only allows the
acceptance of altered states of conciousness but also leads to the
possibility of the impossible. It is really great to hear of someone who is
experiancing reality on the level you are raising a family and haveing a
normal life because i have had fears that I would never be able to achieve
such things based on my peers reactions to me and my views.
Love and Peace
Aron
Thanks for the replies from all of you. And Aron you made me aware of my
judgementalness which is an obstacle I must work on. That is why I emphasized
my background as a programmer/logic oriented person. But the communal
conciousness, I feel, is a step towards growth and I can't accomplish that if
I stand in high and mighty judgement to all who express their experience in
metaphor I don't readily relate too. But I do feel strained at times when I
try to "take it all in".
I am reading a fair amount of kundalini and spirituality. I have read all of
Gopi Krishna. I really like Path With Heart by Jack Kornfield. And I think I
have read most of the books published by the Grofs. Besides being
informative, reading this sort of material appears to keep the K stimulated at
a higher intensity.
I am in the Atlanta, GA area which is not Ca. by any means. We do have some
pockets of people that are beyond the normal walking dead but they are
scattered and not easily found. As I stated before, the KRF assisted me early
on and held my hand so to speak. I would receive little pieces of E-mail on a
regualr basis checking up on me. I guess I sounded pretty panicky when I
first contacted them! But I thoroughly appreciate their caring attitude. Who
do you turn to in the 'normal world' when you think the front of your head is
going to blow off ;>)
Larry Killen
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:51:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Daforce2ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Today/back pain
Message-ID: <970305204604_1017854552ATnospamemout07.mail.aol.com>
me to, the k stops at a lower chakra and causes pressure. im trying to clear
the chakras from the top down with the shiva or cosmic energy and then
let that activate the kundalini.
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:37:12 -0800
From: Jan Watson <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Aron Price <aronATnospamone.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sleep/Meditation
Message-ID: <331E5808.7FA4ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Aron Price wrote:
>
> Everyone,
> Recent postings have rekindled a question I have been
> pondering for a long time. What is the difference between meditation and
> sleep? I have found in my own experiances that Kundalini can be triggered
> by both, and both have always involved very similar mind states. The
> Australian Natives call all of reality the dreamtime and many of them
> meditate a lot and perform k-like feats.
> Aron
> (I'm Back! Thank Kundalini!)
Welcome back!
The theosophists believe that in sleep, we do the 'great work' if we are
advanced spiritually. We go out of body and act as guides for those who
need the particular type of energy we are at that point in time. Its a
wonderful thought, isn't it?
jan
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 19:00:02 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: Aron Price <aronATnospamone.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sleep/Meditation
Message-ID: <331E3332.14ABATnospambest.com>
Aron Price wrote:
>
> Everyone,
> Recent postings have rekindled a question I have been
> pondering for a long time. What is the difference between meditation and
> sleep?
Hi Aron,
I understand the difference to be the frequency of the brain wave.
During sleep we generate alpha waves during regular cycles. The lower
states of meditation also generate alpha waves. Higher states of
meditation change the frequency to that called "theta".
Morgana
ps- thanks everyone for the advice on back pain, I'm trying some of the
suggestions. M.
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:31:37 -0800
From: Jan Watson <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: morganaATnospambest.com
CC: Aron Price <aronATnospamone.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sleep/Meditation
Message-ID: <331E64C9.4224ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Morgana Wyze wrote:
>
> Hi Aron,
>
> I understand the difference to be the frequency of the brain wave.
> During sleep we generate alpha waves during regular cycles. The lower
> states of meditation also generate alpha waves. Higher states of
> meditation change the frequency to that called "theta".
> Morgana
> ps- thanks everyone for the advice on back pain, I'm trying some of the
> suggestions. M.
Hi
The theory seems to be right, but the names are a little 'high'. When
we're tense, primarily using one side of the brain, we're in beta. When
we're relaxed and creative and using both sides of the brain, we're in
alpha. Light sleep and light meditative states are theta. Deep zen
states are delta. Using a biofeedback machine can help to identify
and reach these state at will can be helpful - particulary when you learn
to stay awake in theta, and even, for a few seconds here or there -
delta. Wow, what a rush.
When I hook up, and K is working overtime, the machine seems to register
erratic fluctuations between all four states. When it is flowing
smoothly and I'm peaceful, light to medium theta are predominant with the
occasional quick dip downward...
And believe it or not, I got the nice little gadget at the local science
store to help me control seizures years ago.
jan
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:16:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Mary <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: danieltATnospamhaag.LA.ColoState.EDU (Daniel Tal)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Today
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At 11:35 AM 3/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I don't mind this. While it is not pleasant, it is profound. That alone
>sustains me.
>
This made me cry in sympathy *and* in recognition of what I have been unable
to express.
Thank you.
Mary
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 04:57:45 UT
From: "Larry Killen" <LkillenATnospammsn.com>
To: "Gloria Greco" <lodpressATnospaminetworld.com>,
"Kundalini, List"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Continuation of "Lurker Coming Out!"
Message-Id: <UPMAIL05.199703060502280375ATnospammsn.com>
Thank you very deeply Gloria,
In all truth my path has been one of spirituality. As a recovering alcoholic
I found it necessary to my will over to the care of God as I understood him.
This is not lip service for me. I also believe this was the start ofg my very
active Kundalini. I started meditating about two years ago on the ALL. I
would identify with the listner of my thoughts more than the thinker(if that
makes any sense) I envisioned myself the mountain that hears the echo. From
this I felt I sense the perspective of God, the All, the None, the Ever. I
know it is vague, but from this perpective I was able to completely transcend
myself and ego. My only other metaphor would be that I switched from
identifying with myself as the radio transmitter and became part of all that
received the signal. It is a crude description but was needed by me to try to
go beyond my ego self.
I do worship a benign loving universe. I keep my God concept very vague for
fear of adopting another. Yet I feel a strong communion with All. I sense
the love that flowsa through all of us, and maybe it is what is called the
prana or universal K. I do feel in the flow of it though.
I am struggling through Grad school and get little sleep. That is my main
culprit. I have to meter my time preciously until I graduate. I am okay with
money but sleep is a premium.
Again, thank you for listening to me. I am struggling but willfully.
Namaste
Larry
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From: Gloria Greco
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 10:38 PM
To: Larry Killen
Subject: RE: Continuation of "Lurker Coming Out!"
Larry,
The internet relationships you build can be a tremendous asset for you
in your day to day processing of the experience. I have experienced
kundalini most of my life, and it is very very physical. Anyone who
thinks it isn't, just isn't having kundalini. Once it starts it is
steady and escalating. So, the best way to handle this is to be very
serious about your spiritual commitment, putting God first in all
things. And, when you know it isn't true to reflect and see what is out
of balance. For most God is a small part of the life experience but
certainly not the primary function. The question is what does it take
to put God first in your life? When you can answer this, you are in a
very good position for kundalini since your frustrations and anxiety
will be passed over to God on an ongoing bases. This being taken care
of you just relax and go with the flow. I teach the seed sounds to
people as the commitment to God is spiritually becoming an active part
of life. Then it is much easier. Gloria
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:12:25 -1000 (HST)
From: Bean <GitljeanATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199703060912.XAA22998ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Hi,
I was practing for a while kundalini yoga from a video tape.
Each morning I enjoyed starting the day quietly and practicing the
positions and breathing. I found that I woke up faster. My sinuses
opened up and I could breath easily instead of waiting for the shower
to accomplish that. Also, the sensations of heat starting low
in the spine and rising was a nice sensation. I'd sit and feel it.
Then a friend who was more "advanced" on these topics told me that
I should be careful and that kundalini was like playing with dyanmite.
I generally felt better physically, limbering up my spine, feeling
the nice heat sensation, and sitting with it. But during this period,
I began to experience remote viewing when I needed to know something,
or was given something that was a small thing, but ran like a neat film
before my eyes. But I'd also wake up from sleeping on my arm the wrong
way, pins and needles, only to see at 3am a short man walking towards me
in my bedroom and a tall man with him who wore that proverbial face
of a space alien. Who knows, maybe my consciousness is magical in that
it can communicate with space people. Frankly, despite what you see, the
invited or the uninvited, with any practices in opening your chakras up,
it's good to protect yourself in the 'pure white light of god,' and recently
learned that encircling yourself with bright cobalt blue is very
powerfully protective. Admittedly, who knows what you can tape in once
you open consciousness and the body. I'm still confused how this whole
thing works though. Wouldn't it be so simple to just know. I'm sure the
answer is real simple, like a cartoon.
Sincerely, looking back on days when I used it each morning and using it
again as a student in a massage class that includes bio-energy work. I have
to do an oral report on a healing method. Wondering now if there's some
aspect of Kundalini yoga that I've never heard of that I could share in my
report beyond just showing the movements and breath work. If you have any
suggestions, please let me know. I'd be interesting in learning something
new without the need to use it each morning for always. Unless it serves
a healing purpose and feels ok.
Thanks, Jean
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:21:50 +0200
From: Kari Kärkkäinen <karikarATnospamutu.fi>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Oooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Message-Id: <19970306132203Z32090-9733+1720ATnospamutu.fi>
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This is little off topic, but because readers of
the k-list should know, I ask: is OM (AUM),
sound kind of nada? Can you heard it in a
same way, as you heard nada or sounds of the
heart chackra when Sushumna activates (your
both nostrils open then). I can heard
"chini" nada without closing my ears. Some
folks claim, that you can heard OM sound
as a distant thunder, if you close your
ears. To me this sounds (no pun intended)
quite vague, and I have intuition that
OM is not a sound (Of course it is sound,
if you repeart it as a mantra) but kind
of frequency, which you can feel, but
not heard in a way as you heard nada.
Any ideas?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:49:54 -0500
From: Bonnie Wingert <bmw134ATnospampsu.edu>
To: lodpressATnospaminetworld.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970306134954.118fc046ATnospamemail.psu.edu>
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Gloria,
i just read a post of yours on the k list from a couple of days ago. it
dealt with your running of the newspaper for 12 years, and letting glimpes,
occasional pearls come out. i would agree that we have to share what we
have to offer to the world, but also not overwhelm those around us. i daily
try to do the same thing at work, and in the classes that i teach. as i
tell my friends on the path, you must never confuse alone, with lonely.
until you accept yourself you will be lonely, but you are never alone.
thanks again for the inspiration.
john
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