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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 21:05:31 -0500 From: jenny Subject: response to Patti's post on June 7 and a word on RC counseling Hi all-- I think this is going out to everyone on the Kundalini list, but I couldn't find a way to respond just to Patti, so I apologize in advance if this was the wrong way to go about it. Also, I'm not sure anything else from me has been posted yet, as I'm new to this site ( and very grateful for it, as everyone else seems to be, too.) The story of my first, and recent, fullblown kundalini experience should be posted soon. I sent it to Bill P. not knowing where else to send it and today I just gave him permission to post it on this site. Patti- you mentioned wishing to be able to deal with the migraines without drugs, or at least that's what I think you meant here: >I would like to know how to deal with my migraines, which seem to be getting >worse and worse over time. I am reluctant to take drugs to prevent them, for >I have heard that resisted kundalini is far more dangerous than when one >lets it just do its thing. But, my migraines are so bad that at times I >couldn't even be moved to be taken to an emergency room. Now with Imitrex >and painkillers, I cope, but I have to keep telling my doctor something >about what I am doing about this situation .... I have a couple of suggestions, well, several really. I'm a bodyworker and do lots of work with energy and other modes of healing. I usually hesitate to give advice, but I know the migraines can be killers. So, first I suggest a book called "MAP: the White Brotherhood Medical Assistance Program" by Machelle Wright. OK now first let me say that I know this sounds like something from the ku klux klan or some other white supremecists, but it's not. The white brotherhood refers to a group of "ascended souls" like Jesus and other saints, or bodhisattvas, or however you think of those folks. Machelle Wright also wrote "Behaving As If The God In All Life Mattered." She has done extensive work with nature spirits for growing and using plants, medicinally and as food, and this is work that she pursued with the folks at the Findhorn Community in Scotland, (if that means anything to you.) She says in the introduction to the MAP book that she felt that due to her constant work with the nature and plant spirits, her spirit began to evolve and that part of this evolution involved an expansion of the cranial/meningeal fluid and caused a subsequent need for expansion of the cranial plates in her skull. Because the knitted joints of the skull are pretty inflexible in adults, this was causing her to have massive headaches. Initially she found a chiropractor who did craniosacral therapy who was able to help the cranial plates expand sufficiently to relieve the pain. Eventually though, she needed more help, and looked for help to a group of spirit beings who had been making themselves apparent to her as she did her work with the plant and nature spirits. These entities identified themselves as being members of the white brotherhood and said that they were here to assist humans with the process of spiritual evolution which is becoming more and more accelerated these days, and which a lot of people are going to need help with adapting to the physical changes. They also told Machelle to write this book so that they could make their help available to a wide range of people. With the help of her white brotherhood medical assistance team, Machelle's headache's went away, and her work began to focus on helping people work with this resource. When I was introduced to this book and its concepts, I have to admit at first I was really skeptical, not having had any experience with any kind of spirit entities, nor being particularly interested in having any. But the woman who told me about this is one of the most practical and down-to-earth folks I've ever known, and when she told me about her experiences with her white brotherhood medical team, I felt I had to try it. And I believe that it was work with my MAP team, among other things, that cleared the path for my first kundalini experience. Even though Machelle never refers to kundalini directly, it seems to me that the kind of spiritual evolution she was talking about is the same brought about by kundalini experiences. At any rate, I have been working with my own personal white brotherhood MAP team now for a year, and the transformative experiences have been phenomenal, not the least of which has been my first full blown kundalini release. I'm convinced that working with a MAP team would give you tremendous relief with the migraines and any other physical difficulties. If you're interested and can't find the book, email me and I'll give you an address from which you can order it directly. If that option doesn't seem quite right for you, I'd also like to suggest finding either a network chiropractor, craniosacral therapist, Trager practitioner, or Reiki practitioner. I've recieved treatments from all of the above and practice Reiki and Trager myself. The thing all of those modes of treatment have in common is working with the wisdom of the body receiving treatment to release energy blockages in an apprpriate way. I know from personal experience that Reiki treatments can even stop a fullblown migraine in progress. I;ve worked with clients who's migraines were so bad they literally couldn't move, and would've been in the hospital if they could've moved. One very nice thing, as far as migraines are concerned, is that Reiki doesn't even require being touched, it can be done from near but not touching, or even by someone who isn't physically in the same room. Network chiropractic, and all the other modalities I mentioned, are good preventatives, and Network has the advantage of assuming that kundalini release is a likely result of receiving treatment. (There's little or no "bone popping" in Network, by the way, it's an energy techique designed to assist the body in releasing distortions and blockages in the central nervous system, and the primary kundalini channel.) I could probably find out if there;s a Network practitioner in your area from my Network chiropracter, if you're interested. The other thing I'd suggest for any one working with kundalini is a practice called Re-evaluation Co-counseling. It's a peer counseling technique which, much like Network Chiro. and a lot of other healing methods, assumes that we were all born perfect beings with an unlimited capacity for vast intelligence, zestful and limitless health, and loving cooperation with others; and that we were born with a flawless mechanism* for healing any trauma that we might experience, so that we're left unscarred and fully functional. ( *sound like kundalini, anyone?) The very simple premise is that our ability to heal has been interfered with since the day we were born, (or perhaps even before then) and that all of the physical problems and emotional limits and baggage we carry are simply unhealed trauma waiting to be healed. The way we can get this healing process started up again is by having the clear, undistressed, positive, and interested attention of another person, and then our bodies, with perhaps a little encouragement from this person, will spontaneously begin to heal. All the supporting person need do is continue to support and encourage whatever the body chooses to bring about ( usually a lot of interested talking accompanied by laughing, crying, sweating, yawning, sighing, shaking, and often a re-experiencing of the original traumas) and reassure the person that what they are experiencing, no matter how momentarily distressing, is the healing process in action. The name "re-evaluation co-counseling" refers to the idea that as the healing of old trauma occurs, the ability to think flexibly and rationally improves and that one re-evaluates reality without the distorted thinking that was caused by old hurts. The "co-counseling" refers to the fact that this healing work is intended to be done by people on a peer, "non-professional" basis, with counseling partners trading equal time for giving and receiving attention. This counseling technique never mentions kundalini, or energy blocks, or any other metaphysical terms, but the process is, in my experience, a very powerful and direct method of removing the impediments to kundalini flow. Anyone interested in learning more about this work can email me and I'll be happy to send addresses for getting literature on the subject, and I can find a local contact in your area to find out about taking classes. This work is done on a grass roots level in each community, but is part of a larger international organization, and is a non-profit and made known only through word of mouth. I apologize to all if this post was way too long. It's my first time posting to any web group, so if there's a more appropriate way to do a long post, please let me know. Once again I'd like to express gratitude for this website and all the contributors to and maintainers of it. I especially found the personal experience posts invaluable, they explained a lot of strange things I've been through. Please feel free to email me Jenny ===================================== Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:03:11 -0700 From:Jean Just thought I would add that I also experienced head pains and went and got cranial sacral therapy. It helped enormously. My hat size HAS grown since then which my husband has great fun reminding me of (often). ===================================== Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary In Geneieve Paulson's book: Kundalin and the Chakras, she recommends massaging certain areas of the head. There is a diagram. I found this book at a fairly big Barnes and Noble bookstore. The subtitle of the book is: a practical manual. It suggests many exercises. Mary ===================================== Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:42:42 -0400 From: Ggji Mary and all, You can work at cleansing the bodies; physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Very often the mind has held certain thought forms that are negative and causing a lower of your frequency. And, when the emotions are on a roller coaster, it sets up the situation for holding on instead of letting go. The bottom line however, is to keep the physical body as free of waste and toxins as is possible. Meditate and ask to be shown what is causing the imbalance. It will come to you. Hope you feel better. Gloria ===================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:41:52 +0000 From: Patti I thank everyone for thier comments on the migraines and what to do. I have tried many, many things, and they still seem to be getting worse. In general, it seems like the kundalini energy is getting more intense, going back into the type of thing that occurred 11 years ago. I was encouraged reading about Jai who has undergone 3 full blown episodes. Here I am at one plus ongoing currents. Looking at maybe going into a second? I am going to have to see a neurologist in order to keep receiving the medication, etc. I am wondering, what on earth do I tell him or her? I am a little nervous about having my health record look weird, or being considered a weirdo. My headaches have been very very closely tied to hormones and my cycle. I have read that hormonal shifts can wreak havoc on k-people so I always felt that my symptoms are consistent with what the standard wisdom is. However once they start they can rage ferociously for up to 2 weeks after their onset. Anyway I have read all suggestions with gratitude and agree with Debbee that a post would be wonderful. I have tried a whole lot of things: feverfew, network chiropractic, progesterone cream, ... Would like to try cranio-sacral therapy, homeopathy, and accupuncture, if I had alternate lives and sources of income. If I find anything that works, you can be sure that I will share it, too. So far the best I have come up with is gratitude. When I can just accept my fate in life it seems to be a better day. Best to all, Patti For migraines, I take a homeopathy preparation which costs less than $10 at the health food store and works every single time without side effects. Karol Ann ===================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:33:59 -0400 From: Jai To all and Patti--Though I have never had migraines I certainly have unbelievable mood and energy swings and a very wacky hormonal system now (the last ten months I have had a period every two and a half /three weeks!). I have played around for many years with many alternative healing ways--breathing, herbs and bodywork being my long stays. Two of the more successful and inexspensive treatments that help with my hormonal chaos are homeopathy and the Bach flower remedies. I suppose perhaps because they both work by subtly shifting the electromagnetics of the body. K is certainly about hardcore electrical movement, and since these systems of knowledge are based on bio-electronics, they seem to work fastest for me, as far as a cheap, self done way of dealing with the flux. I would suggest you get a cheap book on the flower essences and maybe one on homeopathy. Forgive me for sounding preachy, especially if you have already tried these with limited or no success. A visit to a qualified homeopath is great, but if you can't afford it now, try looking up your specific sets of symptoms and experiementing a bit--belladonna, bryonia, gelsemium, pulsatilla--are all migraine formulas. On the average, homeopathic preps., available at healthfood stores, run 3-6 dollars a piece. You need very little. Actually the flower remedies are so strong I have to really watch out and take them for just a week or so, staying very mindful of the condition I am taking them for. They have a good one for fear of losing your mind--cherry plum--that has helped me. They run about 8 bucks a bottle and you can pick two or three and take them together if you want. As I am writing this I am getting a total crawling sensation up my neck--how funny, I don't normally have what you might term classic k body sensation, though if you watch me dance you can certainly see it in action, big time, and occasionally at other randier moments you can see my head go. I also get mild energy rushes in the body, like water in a stream around the seat of my spine and I definetly get a snese of the release of something (it feels like a hormone or a secretion of some sort) from my spine tip if I pay attention and get really into it I can make it drip, but I don't really do this too much. Mostly I deal with bone crushiong fatigu, which I am still stuck on the idea is because of force being jammed up due to my curved spine, and my nerves are very sketchy and irritable. I can sympathize with all the frustrations--fortunately I am self-employed right now--I have been spending probably ten or twelve hours a day sleeping lately and that is interspersed with periods of blankly staring out into sapce, unable to do anything including consciously think. I have had no choice but to become ok with this weird inertia pit I have stumbled into, because it's pull is so strong, I can't do much of anything about it or anything else. Ongoing surrender and trust in the universe to help make my world turn out all right (even when it looks on the outside to me and anyone else like a complete and total shambles) seems to be my lifetime's lesson. P.S. To whoever was talking about screaming--I once howled like a wolf in the middle of an episode (part of me was funneling the rage of animals it felt like) for about six hours straight at the top of my lungs. I promptly spat out the entire contents of my lungs afterwards, a weird green/brown slime ( how marvelously the body uses this force to clean itself out), prompting the barbaric dark ages goalers who were guarding me to think I was possesed by the devil. Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:44:03 +0000 From: Patti Hi Gloria. Thanks so much for your concern. I do think my headaches--migraines-- are caused by my hormones going crazy and having reactions. I say this becuase: I can be in a great mood, and if I am having my period, I can have all kinds of problems. If it is not that time of the month, I can withstand all sorts of negative stress, no problems at all. (By the way, the migraines began with my kundalini awakening 11 years ago...they first started then; only in the last 3 years have they gotten progressively more intense. An interesting note about the magnets: I think that is an interesting thing to study. My husband and I have been going to Sedona AZ every year for several years. In all but one instance, I never had a migraine there, even when it was meant to be a problem time of the month. We are certain by this point that it is the electro magnetic field, having ruled out other things one by one. (Just cannot explain the one occurance). Sedona is on top of a huge electromagnetic field. I like the magnet concept. I also have tried homeopathy a long time ago, perhaps had limited success. Based on what responses I have gotten am going to try this again. It seems so much more in line with the k-forces. By the way our roomate is an MD and I have talked to him at lenth about the k. He is fascinated but at a loss to help any more than he has already. He will be the first to tell me that MD's will have a pretty hard time understanding this stuff. He is very openminded, and has done lots of pure medical research for me on the subject. He loves the connection between the electromagnetic fields and the migraines and thinks there may be something to this. Thanks everyone for your responses. I am pretty amazed at the outpouring of love and concern, and certainly hope that others are also getting lots of good ideas from all this discussion.... Love to all, Patti Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:47:18 -0700 From: jean You know, this is a major problem. At the KRN conference, two years ago?, they announced that Kundalini was in the new DMR-IV - a thick book that therapists and doctors use to diagnose patients. Many doctors do not know what it is and prescribe drugs to make it go away.
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