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Suzanne's MBTI Poll.
Dear lists,The following E-mails are the results of Suzanne's MBTI Poll. Many
thanks to
all who took part! :))
Love, Hillary
Hi All,
As with all "simple" surveys and Polls, the following report and results blossomed into more than a simple overview for all three of us. Hillary, Sharon, and Suzanne invited folks in their respective list groups to participate in a "short-form" Myers-Briggs type questionnaire, and to share results and immediate comments.
This following report is represented in 3 sections: General Background; Results, Numbers and Comments; and Discussion, Requesting Feedback.
For the section Discussion, Requesting Feedback we ask any participant to offer comments on the Background and Results. Those discussion comments will be included as our collective report and this informal-formal survey concluded. The Discussion will be the finale of this project.
We hope that you will take the time to go over the information offered by 65 total participants, and enjoy some of the nuances that these data and "typing preferences and changing perspectives" may present to you and as a member of these groups. Because we, the poll gatherers, may not catch every comment incoming, discussed on our lists, we ask that you please send a CC: of your comments and reflections to us directly, as well as to your group, if you desire. If you do not wish for your comments to be included in the final Discussion, please let us know. We will each keep a file of our respective group's responses that we will combine in late October. That commentary will comprise the remainder of the Discussion, the finale of our report.
So, if you have any comments and insights on this Poll/ survey, and/or would like to do some more questing on the MBTI/ Temperament/ EHE shifts, process, and interactions, etc. for yourself and group(s) data, we will leave this report open ended until mid-late October. Reminders to the groups will go out again in about a month. You can bypass this whole survey by skipping any topic header of MBTI Poll.
Thank you all so very much!! And mucho, special Thanks to Hillary and Sharon for their amazing feats of email coordination in a short time frame
;-).
Love, SuZ ###
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*"MBTI Poll" survey of participants reported August 24-31, 2001*
Many thanks to everyone who participated in the "look alike" Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) located at http://www.halonline.com/psych/.
Disclaimer from CAPT: *Warning. There are many pirated sites of the MBTI® instrument on the World Wide Web. Please check Related Organizations for legitimate sources of information. Many psychological type instruments posted on the web have not undergone reliability and validity testing, which ensures accuracy of results.*
Okay. So we understand that this interaction was a fun thing to do, rather than anything formal.
***Many, many heartfelt Thanks!! to Hillary, and Sharon Webb, for gathering profiles and engaging participants from their respective Lists!! :-))***
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Our basic goal of this exploration was:
Suzanne to Eheshare List: "In the pulse of taking a short form, a fun five minute "preference indicator" on these four dichotomous points, we are simply catching tallies of preferences over about 40 questions - to share with each other - to understand better our group dynamics and profile. We are also interested in learning more about the "who" who join on-line exceptional human experience discussion groups."
Also, some people have been retested after a major life and/or exceptional experience, and already have a document of their "before" experience with the MBTI originally used. Results show that profiles along the four scales can and do often (but not all the time) change in more or less intensity along a single letter, and moreover, sometimes even to "flip" into another side (of a dichotomous letter) all together. Theoretically, and across a factual sample of these kinds of before-after profiles, this may show that folks who have had major life (and/or EE) switches and integrate (EHE) them, are often more facile to offer discussion/ feedback/ talk with others and be comfortable with being in another's shoes. This is particuarly true when we look at the inner 2 factors of the letters in our profile: the inner S/N and T/F matrix.
About those the pointers to our inner matrix, E/I and J/P: For these labels, contrary to popular meaning, they are considered "orientations" in the outer world and also have secondary meanings. That is, the J and P points to whether we would rather be decisive about self and world or perceive more about self and world... a choice within a choice, so to speak. The E/I tells us a little more about where we prefer to give our best: to outside to others or keep our best to ourself, our inner world. So, even a MBTI scale can be and is very complex. Like many other indicators, experiences, they can be as deep or as surface as we choose to understand them.
Within that 4-letter profile, there is a possibility of 16 types. And within those types, there are degrees of slight to strong preferences. Reflecting our uniqueness and our similarities, and where we overlap each other.
I felt this was important to say at the beginning, because there does seem to be some concern in the groups that "Judging" means "judgemental of others". It simply is a way of describing which we prefer: to "make decisions about self and our world (the "other" qualifies as world as well) via the factor of Thinking or Feeling." With Perception, we prefer to capture information either by Sensing or iNtuition. The Extrovert/ Introvert scale tells us which of the inner factors/ matrix we prefer to hold close to us and what/ how we prefer to share.
This study, is relevant to all EEer's and EHE'ers because it MAY be a way for us to tap into our own inner changes, shifts (before-after) along the EHE process. Further, it may show in these befores and afters, how our views of "other" and the outer world might shift. Depending on our tasks at hand, we are certainly able to float across as needed, in many cases.
But if there is any question, I often ask: if you took this profile as a child, what would you have figured? And after answering these profiles as a child, recalling, where do we catch our changes, particularly after those types of experiences? EHEs, in particular, can be life/ perspective shifting.
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List information shared about the groups who participated:
The EHE Network was founded by Rhea A. White and its web discussion List EHEshare started in mid-2000, includes 80 members. The List is moderated by Palyne Gaenir and Anne Kahn (on temporary leave). "The Exceptional Human Experience Network, Inc. (EHEN) is an educational, research, and information resource organization studying all types of anomalous (out of the ordinary) experiences. Because these experiences are primarily subjective, scientists tend to ignore them. They do not fit into today's scientific theory, and our culture typically does not have a way to understand and deal with them. People who have these types of experiences are often not believed, or are considered odd or strange. We take a very different approach. We view these types of experiences as potential starting points for positive, personal, life-enriching, and even life-changing growth. We believe that by valuing these experiences in new ways, and sharing them (even anonymously) with other experiencers, we all gain meaningful insights into ourselves and our world. When these insights occur and we find a way to grow in a way that enables us to integrate and internalize them, what was an anomaly becomes an Exceptional Human Experience, or EHE."
The Kundalini-Gateway List includes 552 members and is moderated by Mystress Angelique Serpent. List description: "Originally established as the Kundalini-l-at-execpc.com, June 1996. This list is for the free exchange of information, advice and friendship among those interested in, undergoing, or in any way involved with the awakening of Kundalini energy.
By the very nature of the phenomena, such a process touches upon every aspect of life. As a result, this list is set up to be a forum in which list members should feel able to post openly on any subject which is related to this topic. "Where two or more are ..." "
Pulse includes 60 members and was founded and is moderated by Sharon.
She notes that "Pulse is more than a list however. In it's third year now, Pulse is a closed group of predominately Seth material readers who are interested in online metaphysical energy "exercises." We have around sixty members and meet twice a week online for two hour sessions. When we began Pulse only two of us channeled. Now more than half do. A large percentage of members are kundalini active. About half of those became K active since the inception of Pulse."
Sacred Kundalini List description: "SacredKundalini moderated by Maureen has 206 members. This list encompasses the higher octaves of the Kundalini spiritual awakening with its beauties, potentials and mysteries. Inspiring, (but not too syrupy) stories are welcome as also, because Spirit is joyful, an occasional joke."
HarshaSatsangh List notes: "HarshaSatsangh has 448 members and Harsha moderates this one. This spiritual discussion group is an open Satsang and is blessed by Sri Ramana Maharshi, the great Jnani Sage of Arunachala. HarshaSatsangha is in the best tradition of a joyous spiritual fellowship for facilitating the Recognition of the Eternal Reality that is One's Own Self. 'I Am That!' This is the uncompromising, simple, and yet Radical Truth proclaimed in a variety of ways by the ancient and modern Sages of Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Taoism. In Advaita Vedanta, the highest teaching ..."
Hillary notes: There are at least 75 discussion groups today that focus on Kundalini.
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Type (temperament) Indicators from participant volunteers were gathered and tallied by Hillary, Sharon, and Suzanne from their respective groups between August 24- August 31, 2001. The http://www.halonline.com/psych version of "short-form" MBTI was utilized for participant convenience, a quick turn around of results, and a common point of reference for discussion.
Some helpful, basic background FAQ information about the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) may be found at: http://www.mbti-mbti.com/. This includes succinct definitions for each of the 16 type combinations and each of the four letters that comprise your type. Extrovert/ Introvert; Sensing/ iNtuitive; Thinking/ Feeling; Judging/ Perception.
Short notes/ synopsis:
E = batteries are regenerated by outer (environment and others)
I = batteries are regenerated by inner (environment and self)
S = five senses, grounded, realistic, action, Now experience based
N = "other" senses, inspired, patterns, imaginal, Possibility based
T = logic, debate, principles, solution-oriented decisions
F = harmony, sharing, people, circumstance-oriented decisions
J = time-oriented, decisive, planful, completion, self-regimented
P = spontaneous, gathering, playful, starting, task depends on ...
Example of profiles* across general populations in the Western world:
E/ 75% I/ 25%
S/ 75% N/ 25%
T/ 50% F/ 50% (roughly)
J/ 50% P/ 50% (roughly)
*Reference: Keirsey. D. & Bates, M. (1984). Please Understand Me, Del Mar,
CA: Prometheus Nemesis Book Co. That book that can be found in most public libraries, where there are 2-3 pages of information regarding each temperament profile and a wealth of information about the history, various factors and relationships.
In my simple search of keyword "MBTI" using just the Excite Search, I found over 2000 websites. Many have their own versions of MBTI forms and information. The more lengthy, statistically tested over a wide population, MBTI questionnaire for adults (Form G) includes 126 questions. It is largely based on Jung's theory that people could be identified by their different - and equally valuable - preferences for viewing and understanding the world, and themselves. Briggs and Myers were the mother-daughter team who first adopted Jung's theory to create a questionnaire that could be useful to people across a wide field of applications, such as organizational communications, career decisions, relationships, time management, group dynamics, and so on.
References including Consulting Psychologists Press (CPP) and Center for Applications of Psychological Type (CAPT) in any search for information, as well as Keirsey's books, Jungian psychchology provide good sources of background information.
[To continue, go to MBTI Poll: Results]
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Subj: MBTI Poll: Results; Numbers and Comments
Date: 9/10/2001 9:29:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: drsbrown-at-concentric.net (Suzanne V. Brown)To: eheshare-at-egroups.com
CC: drsbrown-at-concentric.net (Suzanne V. Brown), druout-at-aol.com,
sharwebb-at-alltel.net
**Overall Results - Numbers and Contributers' Comments**
Our collective sample across five groups (3 combined) included a total of 65 volunteer participants over 7 days. Total sample responding per group include: 14/80 Eheshare, 15/60 Pulse, 23/552 Kundalini Gateway, 5/206 Sacred Kundalini, and 8/448 for HarshaSatsangh.
With Hillary's permission, I have included Kundalini Gateway, Sacred Kundalini, and HarshaSatsangh in the following overall profile called simply
"Kundalini" 36/1206
Thus, contributers of Hillary's three groups we will call "Kundalini," Sharon's group for Pulse, and Suzanne's for Eheshare. Any duplicate reports across groups that we could determine were included in Eheshare results, since a few participants kindly offered their profiles to more than one group. Exceptions are Hillary's profile which was included in Kundalini and Sharon's included in Pulse.
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Tallies- Grand Totals of all 65 participants....
E 13 I 52
S 8 N 57
T 25 F 40
J 15 P 50
INFP 25
INTP 11
ENFP 8
INTJ 6
INFJ 4
ISTJ 3
ISFJ 2
ISTP 2
ENTP 2
ESTP 2
ESFP 1
INFP is group profile ACROSS ALL respondents.
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Further analysis = total summaries of the groups responding as shown:
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For EHEshare totals of 14 responding:
E 0 I 14
S 2 N 12
T 8 F 6
J 5 P 9
INTP 5
INFP 3
INFJ 2
INTJ 2
ISTP 1
ISFJ 1
INTP is group profile of "EHEshare" respondents
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For PULSE totals of 15 responding:
E 4 I 11
S 0 N 15
T 3 F 12
J 2 P 13
INFP 7
ENFP 4
INTP 2
INTJ 1
INFJ 1
INFP is group profile of "PULSE" respondents
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For the three Kundalini lists of 36 responding:
E 9 I 27
S 6 N 30
T 14 F 22
J 8 P 28
INFP 15
INTP 4
ENFP 4
INTJ 3
ISTJ 3
ENTP 2
INFJ 2
ESTP 2
ESFP 1
INFP is group profile of "Kundalini" respondents.
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Sincere attempts were made to provide a further analysis of gender by profile across all three researchers amongst our contributing groups. However, based on the relative anonymity of "names" disclosed by Internet users, the best we can offer is that approximately 2/3 of the respondants are women and 1/3 are men. In addition, we realize that there may well be duplicate entries, using different names, that cannot be avoided via Internet contributions even within a single group. Furthermore, all collective data have been hand-tallied because Suzanne still hasn't learned to use spreadsheets! :-)
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***Reflective comments by participants regarding "test:" ***
Salutations, names, and gender not included
Contributed by Suzanne and the EHEshare group:
Suzanne comments: On this test, I was a clear INFJ. On the long -form Myers-Briggs my E/I leaned more toward the E, and T/F leaned more to F, but nothing was clear cut for those preferences. These personality/ temperament surveys I have taken and administered various forms, including "fun forms" for about 14 years. I thought that my J had become more P (it has). The iNuitive is still my strongest factor, yet it is those times of Sensing the immediate NOW that give me those most mystical connections, especially with the beauty of outdoors, communing with nature.
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INFJ. You may have already recorded my category, which is the same as yours, but this is in case you didn't.
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INFP for me. It's pretty close.
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Interesting! I come out ISFJ on this little test -- on the full Myers-Briggs, I come out ENTJ/ENTP (I'm right on the J/P border). I have a hard time with the condensed version of it. Many of those lists, half I VERY much had from one, and half VERY much from the other -- choosing either of them was half-wrong. Still, I like fun little tests. :-)
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Wow, this is a talkative group this week (or maybe always is, my experience here is pretty short). I'm trying to catch up. This one's a pretty quick one to respond to, so I'll do it first. I was curious too as to how many of us actually went and took that little test. I did. It came out a little different than when I took the long test but I think just because it was so short--no option for splitting. I came out an INTP on this short web test, but on the long test came out an INTP/J.
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INFP
Interesting that 2 men are INTPs, while 3 women are INFP's... will be interesting to see accumulating and final results. ALL introverted and intuitive perceptives....but modes differ slightly. Hmmmmm. Wonder what else might be in store.... can't ALL be so similar. CAN we???
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I am an INFP
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I've taken the long and short forms several times. Administered by pros. I always come out the same one. INTP.
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Ah god, is this synchronicity? We're having exactly the same discussion on another discussion list. First of all, I am a INTP female and I personaly know a few, I also know several INFx males. My stand is that tests are all biased because of semantics, ie words don't have the same meaning for all people for most of the meaning is derived from one's experience. And there is such a strong bias introduced by social values and expectations!
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Results for personality test: INTP ... ( It's Not Theoretically Possible )
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For the MBTI Poll I can tell you that my preferences are a definite INTJ.
Like SuZ, I have worked with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator professionally. Over the past 17 years I've provided about 60 workshops and numerous seminars and presentations to a variety to groups. On this list I would be classified a "lurker" because I rarely respond to the many interesting posts, however, an intense work schedule keeps me on the sidelines. In about 18 months I expect to retire, which should liberate a little more time to become a participant.
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I just tried the short version of the MBTI and came out as INTJ. I've never been through the full typography set, and would welcome a pointer to a full version of the questionnaire.
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Contributed by Sharon and her Pulse group:
Sharon notes:
When I took the test I was strongly pulled on the last category to choose the A rather than B choice...but A just doesn't fit anymore. Over the last ten years I am far less judgmental than I was. My K awakening...or at least what I call the "explosion" took place over four years ago, but looking back on it, there were many signs that something was going on for much longer.
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also took the test and am an INFP, but don't think this test is nearly as accurate as the Myers-Briggs in typing personalities...have given the Myers-Briggs for years and other psych/management tests so have some background to base this on...I was 50/50 on many of the questions as I am sure some of the rest of you were...maybe broken down to 8 questions it would have been more accurate...not sure what the criteria was for splitting the test as they did...was fun though...safe journeys to you all,
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I got INFP "I Never Find Perfection". I have to say, I rate 4 out of 5 for how accurate the description was, but really it was almost 5.
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All of that applies to me too! Well, maybe 3.5 - 4. The description "I Never Find Perfection" I find a little ambiguous. No, I don't find perfection, but then I'm not expecting to. Like a true Sethian, I don't believe in it . And while I'm not seeking it, I am, of course attempting to move in that direction, in terms of 'value fulfilment'.
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I am an INFP as well ,Hmmmm... Perfection is a misnomer anyway !!
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Another ENFP here, although I'm a borderline INFP. I've taken the longer version of the MBTI many times in the past; the paperback book version is called _Please Understand Me_ and goes into much more detail on the various combinations (NF vs. ST, etc.).
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ENFP here...but i must admit...i had a hard time picking a column at times... and i still do not see myself as Extroverted as others (as well as this test) seem to......
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I'm definitely I and N, almost exactly in the middle for T-F, but leaned slightly toward T, and for the last letter I was J, but the other side was appealing there too. In, sum, INTJ but almost INFJ. cheers...
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I repeated the test, as we discussed, and I put more effort into it this time. I'm surprised to find there aren't any points raised that I disagree with. It feels a bit strange being nailed by a four question test. "all we ever wanted was everything..."
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INTP
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Easy test. I've known I was an INFJ for years. First took the Meyers-Briggs years ago as a manager and then had all the folks who worked for me take it. I really used the results in making sure everyone who was with me was suited to our particular gestalt energy. Not everyone was, since most of us were introverts. We had one real extrovert and I ended up letting her transfer to another unit with more outgoing, people-focused members. We were all happier for it.
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Sharon also remarks that: "The rest of the respondents just posted their scores without comment."
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Contributed by Hillary and her Kundalini groups:
We did an informal Poll a while back on NDS [Non-duality Salon], tho it involved an even longer test. We had something like 9 out of the 12 people responding were INFP. That was pretty unusual, because that type is the least frequent to turn up in tests of the general public. If anything it proved then we were more interested or willing in taking personality tests. :) Maybe more people will take your shorter test.
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I'm an ENFP, and my F/T scores are very close, so I flip to ENTP pretty often. Lately, my E/I preferences have also been close, so I think I am "centering" myself, preference-wise. I thought the poll was *far* too simple. In most MBTI tests you answer a lot of questions because the degree to which one is predisposed to a certain type has a lot to do with how the type is manifested in the person's behavior. The granularity of the test is important to pick up nuances and avoid broad categorizations of people.
Even the popular Keirsey Temperament Sorter has 80 questions, which is barely enough to get a sense of the depth and complexity of each person's preferences. It would be much better for your friend to take each of her column pairs in the four questions and break up each single question into a whole lot of little comparisons. She could easily create, say, 40 questions, and it would give her much more on the distribution of type preferences across each of the types. Of course, being an NFP/NTP, one would expect me to think that way...*laugh*
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I came up as an ENFP, a slight change from a few years ago when I came up as INFP.
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I first took the full-length Myers-Briggs when I was 18 and I've done it several times since; I had always been an INTJ but am now borderline introverted/ extroverted and feeling/ thinking. The J is moving towards the middle too, but slowly. I really value considerations of feeling, and I've made conscious efforts to develop F skills and priorities. The I moved towards the E as I became a less repressed person.
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... a relatively silent member of Harshasatsangh. I have been familiar with the MBTI for a long time.. and think this shorter version is interesting.. a fairly good synthesis. Yet like generalized astrology.. it leaves out many factors. Still, it's somewhat relevent in giving people a mirrored assesment of their way of processing information. Interestingly for me..
I seem to have changed 'type' dominance over these past years. For most of my life I've been an INFP (I was one of the ones G. referred to).. though I just tested as an ENTP, which seems a bit more accurate at present (though I still, most of the time, think of myself as a contemplative who likes a lot of alone time). Years ago I wrote an article about "Intuitives and the Internet". I think it is a medium which appeals to and affords a certain freedom for Intuitives. Perhaps, after years of being iNtuitively met through this medium, I have relaxed the "I" (introvert) and become a bit more of an "E". I also think that 'inquiry' has a way of losening the 'self-construct' oriented in feeling. Relative to your friend's question, I'd say that Perceivers are likely more drawn to nondual orientation; and may open to Awareness through the mind of the Heart, or the Heart of the mind (F,T). I'd be surprised if many sensor-judger types showed up in spiritual circles.. but hey, I'm open to reconsidering!
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I just took the test, and I don't think it was worth much - for me, anyway.
The first one was hard to decide, and after that it was just completely arbitrary. :)) I'd read one line and think, "Okay, it's A." And then the next line: "Oh well, it's B." And then the next line: "Can't pass that one - it's A." And so on. :)))) I think it's awfully simplistic. Reading through it, I realized that I'm not the same in regard to all things. I like planning and lists for certain things - and that frees me up to be spontaneous about the rest.
My husband said I'm an intellectual perfectionist, and I think he was right - but I'm certainly not a perfectionist about anything else! If you could see this room right now, you'd agree with that! :)))))) P.S. Oh, it gave me an ISTJ, for whatever it's worth. :))
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**** Discussion to MBTI Poll groups participating****
Suzanne notes:
The human attempts we make to understand ourself and our world is ancient. It permeates both Western and Eastern philosophies (adapted currently as philosophy, religious and scientific debates in our Western constructs of current culture). Documents have survived and held sacred for well over 5000 years as to human nature/ our unique compostion of fire, earth, air, and water, the combination of each of these elementals we each are, and what we choose to offer to the whole of universal consciousness.
These elementals and their combinations we are today comprise a modern day (20-21st century) profile called MBTI and temperament scales. These are related powerfully to our archetypes and cultural myths. Myths, symbols, metaphors, mixed metaphors, synesthesia (criss-crossed senses) can catch our attention, offer much to our *here, now, today* summary as human on earth. And to move between these elements as occasion arises or deepens, asit depends, these symbols can mark an inner and outer process that never stops evolving, personally and universally.
So there is much more to the MBTI than is surface sharing. It is no different than asking "what is your sun sign?" at parties. But IF these typologies begin to get folks talking together, then I perceive that there is value in this. Thus, the goal of this little test. And, as with anything that seems superficial at the onset, there is a hidden complexity. By analogy, we can potentiate an EE or depotenitate, dismiss, it. However, when we potentiate our EHE(s), when something (ourSelf) asks us for More, then new perspectives, prisms of self and world open again and we return with More.
We invite you to share your own insights and comments here. They will be included anonymously in the final report, unless otherwise requested.
:-))
Suzanne Vivian Brown
[See MBTI Poll: Preamble for further information.... ]
Caveats
I came to have a few caveats on that study, and thus let it go on hold:1. Perhaps Introverts are in number in our sample, because Introverts may access the Internet more than Extroverts? (In other words, there was no baseline of I/E for Internet general usage.)
2. Same question could be applied to the J/P: That the P preference of perception (pointing back to the S/N factor) may indicate that Internet users are those more often to access the Internet to gather more information, than the J preference who would prefer to make a decision (T/F factor) about information.
3. These are just simple caveats that any researcher would have to offer up front, especially since we do not have an "Internet usage" baseline outside of EHEs of several types studied. I was taught hard in school to pay attention to what might contribute that which could be considered confounding (variables).
4. However, I must say that a complete reversal of some of the preferences and large differences from the "general MBTI" population is so very noteworthy. Even if we looked at the sample as it stands, it begs so many questions, because of its difference from the general MBTI population. (And we must recall that this was a "look-alike for quick access" test, rather than the formal Schedule/ Test (another caveat).
5. I also had the concern that within the sample, some responders may have entered his or her preference 2 or more times. This could have been because folks conceivably could belong to 2 or more of the Lists under study. Most were kind to let us know this (so we could adjust), but there is always that possibility with Internet research and "loading" the preferences in a certain direction. And ofF course, there is also the possibility that someone could have entered "junk." That is called error in research, and so statistical tests would give us the approximation of junk/ error. But I have to say, with such clear differences between general population MBTI and our sample of 4 List groups, the trend toward INFP seems very strong with EHEers of all classes, and especially as we highlighted Kundalini, Mystical, and to a lesser extent Psi class/types.
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