To: K-list
Recieved: 2003/07/01 02:09
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [K-list] An introduction (Archetypes)
From: mundane zen

Dear Hillary and List,


>Near Death Experiences certainly seem to be experienced somewhat
>differently:
> From the interesting site http://www.clam.rutgers.edu/~mrhodes/RA3.htm
>:


Cripes, don't you realize the free hotmail account only has a limited amount
of storage space? :) Yet you often include these interesting links that I
don't want to lose. So, I wind up saving the message. I can only delete it
after I've had time to review the site and bookmark it. You're such a
troublemaker :)
>"Africans interpret the event negatively as it being evil and "bewitching."
>Micronesians picture loud noisy American cities filled with cars and tall
>buildings...


JR had a good point in his reply. To paraphrase, archetypes are not images
or symbols; they are abstract -- essentially more like feelings. In China a
dragon symbolizes good luck. In the west, a dragon is an evil monster.
Remember those brain stimulation experiments? When the "god center" was
stimulated, Christians saw Jesus; Buddhists saw Buddha; New Agers saw
super-intelligent aliens, etc.


>... This collective unconscious does not develop individually, but is
>inherited. It consists of pre-existent
>forms, the archetypes, which can only become conscious secondarily and
>which give definite form to
>certain psychic contents."


As this quote demonstrates, I think Jung believed that certain symbols
("pre-existent forms") exist a priori, as part of the collective
unconscious, and are not culturally or externally imprinted on the
individual. Certainly there are some hardwired, instinctual, "pre-existent"
aspects in our brain, but I wonder if they are actually tangible shapes,
forms, images, etc., or if they are more abstract, amorphous, entities -- a
kind of feeling.


ken

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