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Recieved: 2003/05/21 13:21
Subject: [K-list] Any great master is hard to find/access
From: Bhavin Desai
On 2003/05/21 13:21, Bhavin Desai posted thus to the K-list:
See below...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "percyval" <percyval AT_NOSPAM rcn.com>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bhavin Desai" <bhavin.desai AT_NOSPAM ntlworld.com>
> > Quote 3: These masters are rear, hard to find, and hard to access.
> > Question 3: No question. Any great master is hard to find/access.
>
> hello Bhava Ji,
[Bhavin Desai] Hello Percyval Ji. (Actually, "Ji" is usually put as a
suffix on the surname, as in "Mr Desai" rather than "Mr Bhavin", but we
are flexible [probably due to the twisty-bendy Yoga exercises!!!].)
> i have enjoyed some of your recent posts very much... thank you for
your
> presence here among us...
[Bhavin Desai] Likewise to you too. It is a collective pleasure, a team
effort. You may be interested to know that I used your technique of
"focus on the next chakra behind the blockage" in a different context.
(Digression: In martial arts, it is in fact similar to the concept of
"follow through" where the target is imagined to behind the actual
physical point of contact.)
[Bhavin Desai] In my context, I was meditating on my teachers Jack &
John with Mantra Yoga techniques for about an hour, but did not appear
to get any results. I then focused for only a few more seconds [!!!] on
my grand teacher Swami Dev Murti Ji, and I got the results for all three
teachers at once. This included some extended intense deep emotional
release. Lovely.
> although i do disagree with the statement that "Any great master is
hard
> to find/access."... this seems to presuppose that there is no great
master
> with an internet site...
[Bhavin Desai] I did not assume that there are no masters (great or
otherwise) on the internet, with or without a site. In fact, I know
there are many masters from different traditions/systems/beliefs/etc,
who use the internet regularly. Some masters do so indirectly via their
students.
> if you consider that some (or at least one) great masters may be on
the
> internet, then it may only be that a great master is hard to spot
among
> the many teachers/guides who are widely available all over the web...
[Bhavin Desai] Yes that is EXACTLY it. That is what I said. I will
repeat exactly what I said in a longer format. Any great master from
any of the world traditions/systems/beliefs/etc is in fact very hard to
find/access whether on the internet or elsewhere. The phrase "a needle
in a haystack" comes to mind.
[Bhavin Desai] "Yo Percyval, you're the Man" - You have actually
answered your own question very elegantly, before I could get a few
words in edgeways!!! The difficulty is this: how does an ordinary
person distinguish a master from the rest of the
wannabes/pretenders/fakes/etc. This has been alluded to in one of my
recent postings.
> what do you consider to be the definition of a "great master"?
[Bhavin Desai] I know there is a lot of information on the internet
about masters, their qualities/attributes, and how to choose them.
However, since you are asking me directly, I will attempt to give a
direct answer without pointing you elsewhere. Clearly there are
different levels and hierarchies of masters.
[Bhavin Desai] Each student will have at least some idea about where
they are in the general scheme of things. Each student has some idea
about the subject/direction they want to go and how quickly. Hence the
student's current position, intended subject/direction, and intended
speed will determine the choice of master/teacher. In this sense, a
master is a person who can satisfy a student's requirements (and
subsequently much more as the student advances and sees the further
possibilities, that were perhaps not apparent earlier). However, this
approach applies to any kind of master/teacher, even a mundane
mathematics master.
[Bhavin Desai] So how about a "Great Master" or "True Master" or some
equivalent concept? Rather than a one sentence definition, it is better
to give a description of some (all - probably not possible) of the
qualities and attributes of such a Master.
*** There is no push for name and fame - a Master is often "invisible".
*** A student's desires are satisfied whether verbal or non-verbal.
*** All types of questions have effortless masterful responses.
*** Helping others is a priority before even one's self.
*** No one is turned away: rich/poor, old/young, etc.
*** <insert your own quality/attribute of a Master.>
> warmly,
>
> percyval
>
[Bhavin Desai] The "warmly" must be a consequence of the Kundalini
Shakti.
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