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Recieved: 2003/05/06 04:12
Subject: Re: [K-list] RE: Cycling of the Kundalini - Karma
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2003/05/06 04:12, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 09:01 AM 02/05/03, Bhavin Desai wrote:
>[Bhavin Desai] "source" refers to what is being represented (eg some
>systems do not represent The True Source, only the ego of the
>owner/founder). A result can be good even though the path to that
>result could be difficult (eg look at any sports person). Using a
>mathematical analogy, at some point one must arrive at words which are
>like "axioms" which cannot be further defined. Otherwise I would spend
>a limitless amount of time further refining and defining each additional
>usage of words or phrases...
I already know what I mean by it, I was interested in how you define
it. I would say, "That from which al things spring", "Cosmic
consciousness:... I prefer to call it "Goddess"... but I'm not attached to
the term.
>[Bhavin Desai] I understand your point and I respect you as a High
>Priestess/Mystress, but there is a difference. There are special
>Kundalini/related techniques which are intrinsically dangerous and have
>high associated risks. A Master has to ensure that a student is ready
>in many respects, not just in the willingness aspect. It is not just a
>case of opening channels or granting powers. Several classical
>anecdotes tell of a Master just giving a student special powers (without
>the necessary preparation) and the student then proceeds to misuse/abuse
>the powers. Subsequently, the Master has to take away the powers from
>the student. This is one of the reasons for the Yamas and Niyamas. The
>character and personality as a whole must be developed uniformly. You
>cannot just give matches or knives (even though they are not bad in
>themselves) to a child.
Wow, you have really put these abilities on some kind of pedestal! For
me, they do not count as "special powers", but rather they are a natural
thing. Most children can sense presences, see/feel energy and have some
telepathic ability. They lose it when their limited parents tell them that
what they see is not real, imagination. So, they shut it down. Reawakening
the abilities is... child's play. The abilities never really go away, but
the information gets filtered out by the unconscious.
Of course, children and adults might be so foolish as to believe some
astral entity who tells them that Armageddon is around the corner, or the
UFOs are coming to take the specially chosen away to lala land... I would
not think that would be a hazard with mature scholar like yourself.
>[Bhavin Desai] This may be a standard reaction based on your experience
>with other people, and it may be true in my case,
Yup.
>but there are some
>other complications (eg time/money costs, obligations to you, risks to
>myself, family issues, etc). If I was alone and had no family/other
>responsibilities then I would not hesitate. For example, if this kind
>of opportunity had arisen while I was at university (doing 2+ hours of
>Yoga/Kriyas/Meditation a day) then I would have jumped at the chance.
Resistance. :) Goddess has it handled. She would not allow me to do
anything that would put your commitments at risk. The same power that
gifted you with children, will care for them. Where is your faith?
>[Bhavin Desai] My teachers and grandteacher have all pointed out my
>intellectual aspect as a blockage.
Yup. Why did you stop training with them?
>[Bhavin Desai] Also, I did not mean to upset you in any way.
I am not upset in any way. I am finding this thread very enjoyable.
Entertaining. Amusing. I think you are cute. No disrespect intended...
>[Bhavin Desai] I do trust myself, but I also have responsibilities and
>obligations.
I meant, trust your Self. Not your intellect. You trust yourself,
but... if you have to add a "but" to that statement, then it invalidates
what came before.
>[Bhavin Desai] As previously mentioned, safety is about the high
>probability of getting good results, even though the path may be
>difficult. A rocky slope down a mountain is difficult in terms of the
>path but you will safely get to the base eventually, whereas a vertical
>cliff will be much quicker and easier in terms of the path but you will
>get dashed to bits at the base. The "Tortoise and the Hare" fable also
>comes to mind. I suppose that I am a Tortoise.
No, you are the elephant. They train baby elephants by putting a large
chain shackle around their leg. The baby elephant fights the chain but
cannot win, and so gives up... mature elephants can be restrained with a
flimsy rope, because in their mind they are still powerless to break the
bondage.
>[Bhavin Desai] In the Aghora books, the Master Vimalananda comments to
>Robert Svoboda whether the ancient (and current) Masters were "stupid"
>to spend years and even lifetimes in Kundalini development. Is it
>really possible to have "Instant Kundalini" from a few hours/days
>course?
In these times, yes... The planets own vibration is higher, so
awakening comes more easily. Awakening, is not full awakening, and full
awakening is not self realization... The unfolding may take time. Self
realization takes some adjusting to, even after it is attained.
Also, we westerners live in a state of abundance that King Solomon
himself, could not have dreamt of. Things we take for granted, exotic foods
at the grocery, television, internet, central heating, telephones... We
have the leisure time to devote to spiritual goals, unlike our ancestors
who had to work hard every day to keep from starvation. We have the
telecommunications technology to hear of miracles, and the science to prove
that the impossible is merely improbable. The internet itself, is a source
of wisdom to outshine the library of Alexandria, many times over. We have
freedom of speech, freedom of religion... We have many major advantages
that our ancestors did not.
> If so then why don't more people do it?
Not everyone incarnates for the purpose of enlightenment. Some people
come in to play the illusion game all the way through to the end, without
looking for an exit as seekers do. Not everyone has the same amount of
karma to resolve, or good support. Not everyone is able to surrender fully.
> It may certainly give
>results in the short term, but can the receivers handle it all in the
>medium and long term? Vimalananda, himself a very high Aghora master,
>did not recommend anyone to practice any kind of advanced methods
>without the control & direction of a Guru/Master and without suitable
>preparation of the individual, which could take years.
Yes, and no. I can certainly agree that having a guide makes the
journey much easier, but most of the folks here do not, except for the
inner Guru... and they do fine! I never had a Guru, in this life... or
alternatively, I had many, some were rocks and trees, and books that fell
off the shelf to land at my feet. I also know some spiritual practices that
are so dangerous I do not teach them, at all.
One has to wonder how much of the Guru's insistence on being needed, was
for their own prestige. The Catholic Church insists on being the spiritual
intermediary too, but history shows that much of that was political, in
origin.
>[Bhavin Desai] I recall that Swami Ji recommended something to another
>Master, who had many thousands of followers, and who could talk with any
>spirit/deity such as Krishna, Rama, Christ, Buddha, etc. That Master
>did not take the recommendation. However, a few days later the
>recommendation had been accepted and was being followed. The reason was
>that the spirits had advised him about Swami Ji, and to follow all of
>his recommendations.
I have not expressed any doubts or reservations about your Masters...
>[Bhavin Desai] You are welcome to find more information about Swami Dev
>Murti Ji, located in Old Delhi, by any method you choose. I would be
>interested to know the results.
Perhaps I will.
Blessings!
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