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Recieved: 2003/01/18 07:06
Subject: Re: [k-list] Brain Helmet
From: David Bozzi
On 2003/01/18 07:06, David Bozzi posted thus to the K-list:
hbrost wrote:
> My experiences of demons and a "presence" in the same room are terrifying. After my last experience
> (three years ago) I couldn't even sleep on my back for fear of the "demon" trying to attack me
> again. The presence always comes from outside the doorway and makes its way into my bedroom.
Did you try sleeping in another room? :)
I think I know what you're talking about. See my story
in another post.
> Well, lately I've been re-reading, or maybe reading again for the first time, two of my sleep
> books: Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce and Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen
> Laberge, Ph.D. and Howard Rheingold. I love lucid dreaming.
I'm familar with Laberge. I got his lucid dreaming goggles about 6 years ago.
They came with his book and and a manual on how to induce lucid states.
> OBE experiences still scare me, and I
> suppose that's why my higher self knows that for now, lucid dreaming is better.
Is the issue one of lucidity? I mean when you say you are having an OBE
do you know what's going on like in a lucid dream?
Dreams are never frightening for myself if I am lucid.
I've been semi
lucid in the eyes open/frozen state but usually not good enough
for it to be experienced as pleasant.
> However, I feel
> that by chance I stumbled on the "correct" explanation of the demon attacks, the fear, the presence,
> etc., in Robert Bruce's book. He explains "the presence" in the chapter, Waking Paralysis" pages 93
> thru 95. The "presence" is US! ;-)
Yes it is. And you and I are One. But since we experience
ourselves as convincingly separate most of the time I wonder
if there are ever any 'real' connections with 'other' spirits
or energies.
> A quote from Bruce's book: "Paralysis and the Physical Body:
> The mind awakens inside its paralyzed physical body. It may or may not have felt any
> projection-related exit sensations earlier. It has awakened for a very good reason: Something has
> just scared the daylights out of its projected double!
Reminds of Castanada's dreaming body.
> It has no way of knowing this has happened,
Maybe it is possible for it to obtain lucidity in such states.
I would think it is. We may know at times and not even remember.
> though, or that it is actually in the middle of projection. It just wakes up paralyzed and scared,
> sensing a tangible presence somewhere nearby in the room. It cannot move to see what it is sensing,
> so its fear steadily increases, and floods along the silver cord and into its projected double, as
> it fights to break free of the paralysis.....The projected double keenly feels this new surge of
> fear." So...since I can't type out the entire chapter,
aw come on. :)
> you might want to get the book.
Thnx for the tip.
> The racing
> heart, the increased and increasing increasing INCREASING FEAR...I've experienced this too.
> Medical doctors will try and explain the sleep paralysis. Some devise dream helmets. Bruce
> suggests breaking the paralysis by moving your big toe. I don't think most people will remember
> this.
I literally shake my head and move my body to force awakening.
Many times I start to come out of it but then fall right back into it.
This can happen numerous times.
My experience is that it requires enormous energy to wake up.
It's a real fight.
Like the feeling you get when you have to wake up extra early times a thousand.
Or perhaps one's energy is low or dispersed?
> One pyschic I knew told me to remember to "hitch-hike back to my body" by moving my thumb.
> This I remembered. It works. Another Vietnamese enlightened soul told me to go to sleep with my
> hands in a certain position -- but that's pretty impossible. Just hitch-hike back to your body.
> Moving a single muscle while in sleep paralysis will bring everything together and into your
> physical form. Why the toe or the thumb? These are small muscles and once you're in sleep
> paralysis, it's totally impossible to move any of your larger muscle groups, even the jaw. So you
> can't speak either! I find Bruce's explanation entirely plausible.
When I was 5 my father told me to blink my eyes to wake from dreams.
It worked/works.
> Don't know as a K-awakened
> person if OBE's and lucid dreaming are more normal or more frequent, but my surmise is that we are
> aware perhaps more than others who will <not> remember these dream/OBE states.
I agree with that.
> My personal opinion
> is that every night we are projecting from our bodies. Our dreams are as real as what we THINK is
> real in real life! But real life is an illusion too. Hope some of this helps, David. It certainly
> may lend a do-able technique to ending your sleep stress. Love, Hety
I have a sense by putting it out to the list and people discussing it
that may actually help.
Happy Dreams/ Happy Awakening,
David
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