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Recieved: 2002/07/01 18:50
Subject: Fwd: Re: [K-list] Reiki attunement
From: --Shiva--
On 2002/07/01 18:50, --Shiva-- posted thus to the K-list:
>Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:48:09 +0100
>To: "Stormymouse :P" <stormymouse25ATnospammsn.com>
>From: --Shiva-- <shivanowATnospampcis.net>
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Reiki attunement
>
>At 06:02 PM 7/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ok I first have to say please DO NOT catogorize us so called "Westerners"
>>into a certain catagory of idiots. I am a "Westerner" as you mention and
>>I most certainly am not materialistic or dumb. I have heard that all too
>>often from you so called perfectly enlightened people and it is really
>>starting to get to me.
>
>1, did I EVER SAY I was enlightened, you ASSUME FAR TOO MUCH... WAY FAR...
> I have been a westerner, for the last 7 or so centuries... so, know
> exactly the mind set of the westerners...before that spent many centuries
> in China...
>you cannot read-or rather are reading things into what I state... I state
>EXACT, not such and such is whatever- .... Did I mention you directly? I
>do not think so- the term is used, because that is what is used by the
>shrinks and others., I use the term 'westerner' rather than the far more
>politically correct term of WHITES, for its usually the whites with the
>problems...(and current, I AM one)
> Negro's, Am Indians, Oriental, African and Australian natives, usually
> do NOT have the greed problem unless they have been brought up in western
> modality. then its a matter of they forgot their roots, and worship a new
> god, goes by various nicknames: Dollars, Euros, or whatever the local
> currency is.
>
>> I do not charge for my attunements and I value them greatly and I know
>> that the people I attune are valueing them just as much I.
>
> I dont either... never have, never will, and hold master status in 2
> forms, which this is not really a place to go into discussion on... there
> ARE Reiki only groups, of which I belong to some, where the symbols and
> symbology IS discussed, and their meanings, the whys etc...
>1 group is now realizing that the symbols are actually a crutch, just as I
>posted here... I am not the first to realize that, and will not be the
>last.. as the people grow, they are noticing they rely less and less ON
>the symbol, finding instead that the intent in them is sufficient to
>'create the desired reaction', in the receiving person.
>> You know as far as the symbols where do you think they originate they
>> sure dont look like "dumb westerner english symbols to me", now do they
>> to you?
>
>Japanese, not too old, either...under a century
>> They are beutiful and sacred symbols with wonderful meanings I happen
>> to know many people that are not from our country that use them. Mrs.
>> Takata was taught them in Japan and brought them over here. It is not
>> something a bunch of "stupid money greedy people" from our country
>> decided to throw together.
> no, but he discovered he could not 'give it away' so to speak...
>Reiki is a Japanese word meaning "Universal Life-Force-Energy". The "Ki"
>part is the same word as Chi or Qi, the Chinese word for the energy which
>underlies everything. Reiki is a system for channeling that energy to
>someone for the purpose of healing. It was discovered by Dr. Usui in the
>late 1800's, a teacher or perhaps dean of a Christian school in Japan.
>(the above IS debatable, BTW, its argued about greatly)
>After returning from this experience he began back down the mountain and
>was, from this moment on, able to heal. This first day alone he healed a
>broken toe-nail, his own starvation, an ailing tooth and the Abbots
>sickness which was keeping him bedridden. These are known as the first
>four miracles.
>
>He wanted to use these abilities to help others, he spent the next seven
>years in the beggars section of Tokyo healing the poor and sick people
>there, sending them to a priest to assist finding them employment, and
>elevating them out of poverty. After the seven years he noticed familiar
>faces, those of people whom he'd healed long ago who were back again.
>Asking them, they complained that life outside beggartown was too hard and
>that it was much simpler to beg for a living. They had thrown away the
>gift of health, as if it had no value, to return to the supposed comfort
>of the life they knew
>
> The above is the 'something for nothing bit-given TO the people, they
> did not care, coming back later to be 'fixed again and again
>> As far as wether people want to use them well that is there choice not
>> yours. Then we move on to the money issue I think it is ridiculous to
>> charge high fees but you know that again is not something that is done
>> in just this country.
>
> no, go back to the 'white' world above, thats the usual- and do include
> Japan in that as well... they are now 'materalistic as much as the
> westerners are...' (which includes most of Europe as well)
>
>> Do you have any idea how many people I have attuned from other
>> countries where there is still high fees for the attunements? They get
>> charged so much money for something we recieve for free? Now clearly
>> this is not the only country that uses "western mantality". Maybe you
>> should study up a little more before you decide to know it all once again.
>>Love and light
>>Kristy
>
> your point? you are NOT alone in that.. others do so as well... my
> furtherest far off is in western India. went quite well with the form of
> yoga she is studying
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