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Recieved: 2002/02/16 11:01
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bhakti Yoga and imagined place
From: Michael


On 2002/02/16 11:01, Michael posted thus to the K-list:

Dear Alexandra,
    I can offer something from my own experience, if it might be helpful. I come from a Christian background. Many years ago when I first started my meditation practices, my spiritual director offered me a meditation called cave of the heart. It was a visualization meditation and entailed visualizing myself with Christ in my heart... as this progressed, I would see myself walking down a stream when suddenly, on my right, an opening in the rocky wall along the stream would appear... I would walk into this cave, (in fact, my heart), and there would be Christ, sitting or standing next to a warm fire... sometimes he would be preparing fish over the fire, other times just "hanging out". I would join Him, and we would talk and share food like old friends.... this was an extremely healing experience for me because until then I was too ashamed to approach a "deity", (I had for so long felt unclean, unworthy, prior to this.) So, I guess the same might apply to any of the other names God is known as. And, I guess it would be as real as you make it. I certainly wouldn't see it as crazy.
Much love,
Michael

"so... there I was... surrounded by the howling snarling hounds of
hell... I said "s'up hounds?"... "heh! nada!" they said... so I made
cookies, (oatmeal raisin)... and we had them with milk and giggles"

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Alexandra Kafka
  To: K-list
  Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:45 PM
  Subject: [K-list] Bhakti Yoga and imagined place

  Kindly allow me some questions about Bhakti Yoga.
  When one worships one's choosen deity in the manner of Bhakti Yoga, can one imagine oneself living together with the deity in a surrounding imaginesd as real?
  Let's say I would worship Krishna: Could I create in my mind a Vrindaban and imagine myself living there together with Krishna as my brother?
  Or let's say I worship Kali: Could I create in my mind a cremation ground and imagine Kali being a widow, disowned by her family, who lives there begging for alms and myself being her only daughter who choose to go with her, so that we would live together on that cremation ground and have a very close relationship because we had no one in world than ourselves?
  How would I know if what I imagine has any reality, if this "place" (Vrindaban/cremation ground) I imagine has any reality, and is not mere figment of the imagination, only a self-created illusion?

  I am most sorry if this sounds rather crazy.
  I beg everybody who has an idea or opinion about my questions to send a mail.

  Kind regards
  OM SHANTI,
  Alexandra


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