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Subject: [K-list] Fwd: another perspective
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 2001/09/16 20:06, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
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>From: Lobster <lobsterATnospambritishlibrary.net>
>Subject: another perspective
>Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:03:43 +0100
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>Dear Friends,
>
>I am forwarding this from a Sufi forum because it offers
>another perspective.
>I hope we can listen . . .
>
>Lobster
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>From: chris crookes <crookeschrisATnospamhotmail.com>
>Subject: how NOT to respond..." ??
>
>* * * * ....
>
>I've been hearing a lot of talk about "...bombing Afghanistan back to the
>Stone Age...."
>Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio the other day, allowed that this would mean
>killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity,
>but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we
>do?"
> Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "...have the
>belly to do what must be done."
>
>And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
>from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
>lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
>listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
>
>...It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this
>atrocity.
>They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone
>would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of
>international thugs holed up in their country.
>
>Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
>answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A
>few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled
>orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are
>millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in
>mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all
>destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan
>people have not overthrown the Taliban.
>
>We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
>Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make
>the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done.
>Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals?
>Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health
>care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
>
>New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
>get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,
>only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe
>the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too
>fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping
>bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this
>horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
>Taliban--by (hurting) once again the people they've been (hurting) all this
>time
>
>So what else is there? What can be done, then?
>Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden
>is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly
>to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly
>to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms
>about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's
>actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some
>Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
>hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to
>Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us?
>Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other
>Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a
>world war between Islam and the West.
>
>And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
>That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
>there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
>ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the
>West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those
>lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better
>from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the West
>would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and
>millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that?
>Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
>
>Tamim Ansary
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