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Recieved: 2001/08/22 17:41
Subject: Re: [K-list] epilepsy and K experience/sleep paralysis
From: Mystclwon
On 2001/08/22 17:41, Mystclwon posted thus to the K-list:
> Subj: Re: [K-list] epilepsy and K experience/sleep paralysis
> Date: 8/21/2001 3:29:58 PM Central Daylight Time
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> To: an1ATnospamdcc.tas.gov.au, K-list
>
>
In a message dated 8/20/2001 12:00:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> an1ATnospamdcc.tas.gov.au writes:
>
> > The feeling I had was that the geometric
> > pattern had become in love with itself and the love needed to reproduce
Very interesting... I had a hypnagogic-type experience recently where my
consiciousness detatched and seemed to become an essence that was very thin,
white, and stretching endlessly - horizontally and vertically - while
simutaniously folding back into itself in an every precise, yet subtley
changing geometric pattern.
>
> Dear Dustpan, List,
>
> What a wonderful image! :))
>
> [I try to move my arms,
> I 'see' them moving, but then moments after I realise that I have not moved
> them at all. I struggle for some time in my 'coma' body. It feels as though
> about 15 mins go by but I cant be sure]
>
> I frequently wake up in a state catalepsy. I'm not sure if this is similar
> to what you are experiencing or not. Usually I wake up 2 or three times
at
> night with it. Sometimes if I simply relax into the state and let a bit
of
> time go by before I try to move. For me it isn't unpleasant--but perhaps
it
> is the *fear* which causes a problem--the fear of not getting back to
> "normal."
Hillary - I'm in agreement with you on the fear issue. I initially started
experiencing these occurances of 'awareness/consciousness w/o body
consciousness' (usually just at the onset of sleep) in my late teens/early
twenties. Initially the fear and subsequent resistance I experienced (likely
a result of my catholic upbringing, coupled with the need to be in control)
caused them to be very unpleasant. Lately when they occurr, I welcome them
and go with the flow... as a result -- they have been most rewarding and some
even border on estatic.
> Further below is a post on Sleep Paralysis sent to the list last February
> which might help "explain" some of what you are experiencing.
>
> [While I am having this experience
> the concept of time goes out the window.I will be trying to move my arm ,
> going through certain motions and arm flexes, then time will seem to 'flip'
> and I will have the same experience again. If you are thinking that this is
> wonderful and sci-fi it is NOT. ]
>
> That *does* sound nightmarish.
>
> [Normally I walk around the room as normal, I don't 'float' on the
> ceiling as most OBE's do. Sometimes the furniture is in different
positions,
> it is for this reason I am quite willing to listen to people who think I am
> just having a hallucination, why would the furniture be different?]
an1 - could it be that you are seeing a mirror image of the furniture as it
usually appears? Just curious...
> Well, perhaps it is to *let you know* that this is a different reality
that
> you are experiencing.
>
> [I spend
> most of my time being worried about how I will get back into my body
(waking
> up is just as difficult) my normal interest in other realms is eaten by
> fear. I also try to hide from other 'things' that seem to dwell in this
> realm. Once I tried to hide under the bed to escape 3 'monks' complete in
> Franciscan robes! They totally ignored me.]
The 3 monk's thing has been reported as well by Albert Taylor in his book
'soul travler'..a book about his experiences in OBE's. (I think I sent a
reply on this previously, but didn't 'reply all' as it didn't show up on the
list post)
> I was fortunate in that for some reason the energy seemed to eat my fear
> rather than the other way around. I should have been afraid I was going
> mad--hearing voices--etc. But at some point I decided it didn't matter if
I
> were mad or not. That whatever the energy wanted from me--whatever
> transpired-- was ok with me--that it knows best. Whenever I do find
myself
> falling into fear, I try to force myself to relax. But Fear is one of the
> most difficult things to overcome!
>
> Does anyone have any ideas of how to overcome fear?
At least in this particular circumstance - surrender/yielding to the
experience seems to make it much more pleasurable. :)
Peace to all... Colette
> Love, Hillary
>
> *****************
>
> Date: 2/25/2001 4:26:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: druoutATnospamaol.com
> To:K-list
>
> In the Science Times section of the NYTimes July 6, 1999 there was a
> fascinating article on "sleep paralysis." The "catalepsy" some of us
> experience seems to be a variation of this--but a blissful version. I
> apologize if I sent this
> before. I couldn't find it in the archives, though.
>
> *********
> "I feel an intense pressure in my head, as if it's going to explode," said
> Mr. Terrillon, a Canadian physicist doing research in Japan. Sometimes he
> finds himself transported upward and looking down on his body, or else
sent
> hurtling through a long tunnel, and these episodes are terrifying even for
a
>
> scientist like him who does not believe that evil spirits go around
haunting
>
> people.
>
> "Called sleep paralysis, this disorder--the result of a disconnect between
> brain and body as a person is on the fringe of sleep--is turning out to be
> increasingly common, affecting nearly half of all people at least once.
> Moreover, a growing number of scholars believe that sleep paralysis may
help
>
> explain many ancient reports of attacks by witches and modern claims of
> abduction by space aliens.
>
> "I think it can explain claims of witchcraft and alien abduction," said
> Kazuhiko Fukuda, a psychologist at Fukushima University in Japan and a
> leading expert on sleep paralysis. Research in Japan has had a headstart
> because sleep paralysis is well-known to most Japanese, who call it
> kanashibari, while it is little-known and less studied in the West.
> ...
> "Sleep paralysis seems to have been described since ancient times, and an
> episode appears in "Moby Dick"...Chinese called it "gui ya," or ghost
> pressure, and believed that a ghost sat on and assaulted sleepers. ...In
the
>
> West Indies, sleep paralysis was called "kokma"...
>
> "People will draw on the most plausible account in their repertoire to
> explain their experience," said Al Cheyne, an associate professor of
> psychology at the University of Waterloo in Canada....
>
> "A sensed presence, vague gibberish spoken in one's ear, shadowy creatures
> moving about the room, a strange immobility, a crushing pressure and
painful
>
> sensations in various parts of the body--these are compatible not just
with
> an assault by a primitive demon but also with probing by alien
> experimenters," Dr. Cheyne said. "And the sensations of floating and
flying
> account for the reports of levitation and transport to alien vessels....
>
> "Even after many years of study, particularly in the last decade, it
remains
>
> mysterious. Experts have trouble even saying definitively whether a person
> is asleep or awake during sleep paralysis.
>
> "In the classic definition, you are awake," sand Emmanuel Mignot, director
> of
> the Center for Narcolepsy at Stanford University Medical School. "But in
> practice, there's a gradient between being awake and being in REM sleep,:
he
>
> said, adding that sleep paralysis lies in a murky place on that slope.
>
> "During REM sleep--the period when rapid eye movement takes place--the
body
> essentially turns itself off and disconnects from the brain. This is a
> safety measure, so that people do not physically act out their dreams, and
> it
> means that people are effectively paralyzed during part of their sleep....
>
> "Just what is going on in the brain during sleep paralysis is unclear. The
> person experiencing the paralysis certainly feels completely awake and
"sees"
>
> the room clearly, but laboratory experiments in Japan show that sometimes
> people experiencing sleep paralysis do not even open their eyes....
>
> "Men and women seem to suffer it at equal rates, and although it is most
> common in the teen-age years, it is reported at all ages...
>
> "Aside from witchcraft and alien abduction, sleep paralysis is also
> sometimes
> mentioned as a possible link to shamanism and to dream interpretation and
> even to near-death experiences. But for many sufferers, the growing
research
>
> in the field is reassuring simply because it demonstrates that they are
not
> alone in their terrifying night-time paralysis and hallucinations. ..."
>
>
>
> *********
> Hillary again: There is a sexual component in all this that the article
> fails to talk about but is obviously common with "alien abduction"
stories.
> ...
> Perhaps there is another state that is a "sexual energy" state of some
kind
> that causes catelepsy, and this in turn, along with powerful sexual
energy,
> causes these experiences.
>
> The catelpsy may also translate as
> powerlessness.
>
> Love, Hillary
>
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