To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/06/12 14:31
Subject: Re: [K-list] stifled
From: David Bozzi
On 2000/06/12 14:31, David Bozzi posted thus to the K-list:
ckressATnospamaol.com wrote:
> To me, spiritual growth isn't a matter of throwing things out but of
> discovering the interconnectedness and relative value of everything.
In a literal sense we don't get rid of anything. The blocks and beliefs that
slice and dice are seen to be unreal. They never were.
> Check under your bed, David. The monster is still there, awaiting an invitation
> to venture into the light of awareness and be integrated into your life.
I did not get rid of anything. True. It was never there to be gotten rid of.
(see poem and enjoy: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/3908/monsters.htm) : )
> Yes, it can be seen as selfish to need someone... and it can be seen as
> selfish to need no one. Depends on your vantage point.
Love can be seen to be evil...
> David wrote:
>
> << But growth does not end with the personal.
> There is a deeper understanding and experience that reveals we are
> everyone.>>
>
> This is a confusion of oneness and unity through diversity. At the level
> where there is a "we" there is multiplicity and individual uniqueness.
I use the pronoun 'we' not in the sense of multiplicity. It's difficult to
describe what I refer to with words, but I use 'we' because it suggests total
inclusiveness. I do not use the word in the traditional sense that perpetuates 'different'
beings.
> We have basic similarities but we aren't everyone!
Depends who we are.
> David wrote: "For some, what you refer to as a 'lifetime' is but the blink of
> an I."
>
> Okay, let's get real here.
Whose reality channel are we watching?
> If you're eighty or ninety years old, or dying
> from a terminal illness, your lifetime probably does seem like the blink of
> an eye/I.
Are you absolutely certain? Can you testify to the experience of all of us?
Is this the only circumstance when timelessness can be experienced?
> Otherwise, it's a philosophical abstraction which seems to me
I can see how one can perceive what I refer to as an abstraction.
We do this all our lives.
> like a cheap shot way to dismiss Isadora's high regard for a devoted long term
> love relationship.
Nothing was dismissed.
> "Need" has become a pejorative way of saying "natural
> interdependence".
I have been referring to the confusion of our own identity.
Nothing more.
> David wrote: "Neediness is fear."
>
> But kittens are neediness
> incarnate. Is their neediness fear-based and unacceptable too?
The illusion of fear can only be seen as illusion once it is embraced.
> Or say it's your own elderly, sick, disabled mother.
> Gonna tell her to evolve past her neediness into an unlimited understanding
> like yours?
I could do far worse. I could cater to illusion.
> Or do you put aside your ideals and help her out?
: )
> Who said anything about filling infinite holes?
This is the psychology of neediness.
> Why does any one aspect of life have
> to fulfill your every longing to be precious and complete in itself?
Ask the Neediness that.
> And what's wrong with having unfilled holes? Why the urgency to plug yourself
> up?
Again, ask your Neediness...
> Isadora wrote:
>
> <<> I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. If it didn't work, we
> > wouldn't have 6 billion people on the planet. Maybe it works a little too
> > well! : D>>
>
> David wrote: "The human species is indeed in need of either enlightenment or a
> predator."
>
> Love or acceptance not a viable option, eh?
Love your hardness and take your bitterness out for a walk. Cradle it like
a tender newborn and you may find your anger has grown into something beautiful.
> Change/convert or feed 'em to the lions! Sounds like the rally cry for the
> Inquisition.
Does it? Or are you reacting? This is not a new pattern is it...
> Geez, when we take a vote to elect a new Ruler of the universe,
> I ain't casting mine for YOU, that's for sure.
I wouldn't vote for a promiscuous man either.
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