To: K-list
Recieved: 2000/04/29 08:16
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Lets B.S. on K!
From: Maureen Heffernan
On 2000/04/29 08:16, Maureen Heffernan posted thus to the K-list:
Wim Borsboom wrote:
>
> Dear Maureen and Percyfal
>
> percyval wrote:
>
> > > how and why did this thread get moved onto this list? it was from
> SacredK and Harshasatsangh...
>
> > ~~*+M~*
> > Yeah, had me wondering also??? Wim brought it over?
>
> No, I don't do miracles like that, it came through somebody (David Ganesh?)
> who must have used "reply all" with one of Tony's old posts and that brought
> Tony's syndrome back to the forefront... :-)
~~*+M~*
Oh, I see. Sorry bout that.Ganesh is on Sacred Kundalini and Tony had
just written there so that's what happened.
But instead of a syndrome, I
> start wondering now if this affliction is not viral or bacterial and if one
> can catch it from others...
~~*+M~*
Ha ha ha.
> Hmmm, maybe it wormed itself through a worm hole... :-)
>
> Maureen also wrote:
> >but honestly would like to see a little more of what the *books* have to
> say
> >because after reading a few, I think this is what Tony is going after. I
> >know I haven't read enough but there's a whole other portion of material
> >on Kundalini that doesn't appear to be represented on some of the lists
> >I read. And it is ,,*in the books*.
>
> Nothing wrong with books, Maureen you are right. In fact Tony always quoted
> the right stuff. I have read all them books as well, quite a while ago I
> must say...and more... even some Sanskrit originals. But at some point one
> stops quoting and prescribing and dictating...
~~*+M~*
If you run across any material for the female please let me know. I
really can't find much. Did run across some interesting Shaman material
about the woman consort traveling with the shaman after only- his-
ingesting a drug. She goes to all those places and is there to help him
recall when he - returns.She does it drug free.
> BTW I have invited Tony to my place, he does not live too far from here
> (Victoria). I find him a very interesting and even experienced person, I'm
> sure we will have fun together...
~~*+M~*
Cool.
> Problem is, the oriental books' paradigm does not fit and overlap the
> western paradigm too well.
~~*+M~*
That's hitting the nail on the head.
And that is where the discrepancies start, thus
> the experience of K gets malformed or even thwarted or prevented or even
> denied validity... That last one is THE symptom that points to the 'Tony
> Syndrome'.
~~*+M~*
Maybe this goes back to the sky or earth path way of thinking.
I read that Dan W and Tony agree and write the same thing, No meat, no
alchohol. A physical purification not for a special short period of time
but a life style.
> I hope, but I may not succeed well, to put that K. experience in language
> that we contemporarily use. Sure, there will always be misunderstanding...
> but when we describe the vital, creative, volitional, emotional,
> expressional, inspirational and spiritual experiences well then we will get
> somewhere...
>
> Maureen also wrote:
> >And the most confusing, kundalini,tantra,whatever, is that what I
> >read, in books, speaks of the higher. Points to the higher.
>
> Yes, yes... and some of our correspondents write of that too... or maybe
> some are lurking a bit too much and could divulge a bit more... (Larry
> Schmitz were are you?)
> Good thing about this list is that it stays down to earth... that is O SO
> important... luckily not too much transcendence...
>
> After all who has ever touched the wings of an Angel, pulled on the robe of
> a Spirit Guide, walked through a wall (really), who has been burned by a
> Purple Flame.... in fact...? And I went through fire...but never got
> burned... go through walls but remain physically in one spot, visit
> purgatory and hellish realms but not in the body. We need to rely on our
> senses first,
~~*+M~*
Actually, for me, I have done the above and other and I find the
senses misgiving and much more trust and work on developing a clarity of
the sixth sense.
then attraction, gravity, relationship and the resilience of
> time will start to show their mysteries to us through the micaculousness of
> life, joy and love. Then the sixth sense will come in. Then we will be ready
> for realms with more dimensions, space and time wise... but we cannot do
> that if we not honour our dear Earth and its primary laws of chaos
> (Mandelbrot wise) and order.
>
> That may sound quite empirical and somewhat sceptical...
~~*+M~*
It's your view point and I respect that. I always enjoy your posts.
Sceptical? How's this....
> Another view on Kundalini comes from G.I.Gurdjieff where he refers
> to Kundalini as imagination and fantasy..From page 220 of "In search of the
> Miraculous" In so called occult literature you have probably met with the
> expression of "Kundalini" the fire of Kundalini" or serpent of
> Kundalini,which is present in man and which can be awakened,but none of
> these known theories gives the right explanation of the force of
> Kundalini.Sometimes it is connected with sex,with sex energy,that is with
> the idea of the possibility of using sex energy for other purposes.This
> latter is entirely wrong because Kundalini can be anything.And above all
> Kundalini is not anything desirable or useful for mans developement.It is
> very curious how these occultist have got hold of the word from some where
> but have completely altered its meaning and from a very terrible thing have
> made something to be hoped for and to be awaited as some blessing.
> In reality Kundalini is the power of imagination,the power of fantasy which
> takes the place of a real function.When a man dreams instead of acting,when
> his dreams take the place of reality,when a man imagines himself to be an
> eagle,a lion,or a magician,it is the force of Kundalini acting in
> him..Kundalini can act in all centers and with its help all centers can be
> satisfied with the imaginary instead of the real..A sheep which considers it
> self a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini.
> "Kundalini" Is a force put into men to keep them in their present state.If
> men could really see their position and could understand all of the horror
> of it,they would be unable to remain where they are for even one
> second.Kundalini is the force that keeps them in a hypnotic state..]
~~*+M~*
Gopi Krishna writes,
"For the proper growth of man on which depends the safety and happiness
of the individual and mankind, it is essential that his mental conent
show a a harmonious and appropriate blending of emotion, will and
thought and that there be a concordant development of the morals and
intellect."
And I also have read that K isn't even necessary to experience Union
with G!d. The more I read the more confusier I git. And when I put down
the books ,the more I close off my senses, (just for me,) the more the
other or 6th sense kicks in.
(Wim=) but looking for a
> way out higher up lets us overlook the fact that we are not caught and
> imprisoned on this plane and planet.
> Don't forget the Buddha was quite a down to earth guy... that's how he
> discovered bodhisattva-hood...heaven could wait... it will come in due
> time... we need to totally see the miraculous in this realm... that is why
> we are here...
>
> What's my point... just freewheeling a bit... thanks Maureen!
~~*+M~*
And I thank you for doing so.
> This IS heaven
~~*+M~*
Still working on that one......
> Love,
> Wim
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