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Recieved: 2000/04/27 12:36
Subject: [K-list] Lets rise above the B.S. on K!
From: Tony O'Clery
On 2000/04/27 12:36, Tony O'Clery posted thus to the K-list:
Namaste All,
>Kundalini Sakti means mind. You feel it rising from
the Heart Centre to the brain only on the day of
Self-Realisation, before that day you cannot feel it.
When you are talking about about K rising to the
Sahasrara, you are speaking of a yogic state, which is
not the highest state. ( there is no Union of
Siva/Sakti at the sahasrara, it has to go back to the
Heart.)
Making the K rise from the muladhara to the sahasrara
is a mental activity. It will not take one beyond the
mind, and it will not kill the mind.
The mind rises to the brain through the amrita nadi
and then goes back to the Heart centre during sleep,
or deep meditation. The mind rising and falling in
this channel is the true Kundalini.
My direct experience is that the mind rises from the
Heart to the brain never from the muladhara to the
sahasrara.<
Some quotes from Sri Lakshmana Swamy,( 'No mind I am
the Self,' by David Godman.) who received moksha,
1949, whilst still a devotee of Ramana Maharshi. He is
a Jivanmukti and was the guru of Mathru Sri Sarada.
They live in Andhra Pradesh on a small ashram and he
teaches through the medium of spiritual silence, as
per Ramana.
No travelling B.S. roadshow like the high profile
phoney gurus. Saktipat can only be given by a Satguru
or a Jivanmukti. The saktipat of sexual diversionaries
and others who say it is Saktipat is actually Prana as
in Reiki etc.
It is obvious from these teachings, which are not
different from Ramana's, that the experience and the
activity that people call K is actually not Sakti but
cleansing Prana, and doesn't result in moksha, but may
help in acquiring siddhis. The more cleansing
required of the kosas or sheaths, the more activity
there is. Depending on one's behaviour in this life
and the tendencies and samskaras from past lives. Meat
eating, alcohol, sexual desires, desires, thoughts,
company etc.
I am speaking relatively so I am not inviting
somebody, to inform me all lives are now or they don't
exist etc. I understand that!
Some say I don't talk from experience, well I am not a
jivanmukti. However I have, in the past, described my
own K experiences, from when they were dramatic to now
where they are smooth and barely perceptible, except
for the bliss feeling. Which I try and not get
attached to, for bliss is an impediment to
realisation, being an experience and therefore of the
mind.
With regard to Lakshmana's statement about the Sakti
going back to the Heart in deep sleep and meditation,
this is my experience to a point. I am not realised so
I don't feel the Sakti or my consciousness go beyond
my mind.
However there is, often, a bliss of remembrance when I
awaken, indicating the above has happened.
There are far too many phoneys, some mentally
imbalanced even, exploiting people, going through this
pranic cleansing, even charging money. When the only
help required comes from within oneself by meditation
or even japa. That is using a name on a rosary or
whatever. This will channel the pranic occurrences and
effect what is known as the rise of K, imperceptibly
and spiritually.
It is about spirituality, not enjoying sex or enjoying
anything. It is about purifying the sheaths and
intellect and leaving attachments behind.
That is the true end of K!
Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.
I don't want to get into Tantra and western
misconceptions, read Fuerstein!
Also I only posted on K-gateway because of the
private emails, and because that was where I first
found out about some phoney gurus like Sai Baba etc
etc. I cannot go along with censorship.
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