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Recieved: 2000/03/13 14:08
Subject: [K-list] Fwd: More on Mania and Schizophrenia
From: mumble cat
On 2000/03/13 14:08, mumble cat posted thus to the K-list:
From: "mumble cat" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
>From Paulo Fonseca
(forwarded with permission) :
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hi to all and specially the doctors in the mental business and the
others who consider it a mission lol :)
--- In Kundalini-GatewayATnospamonelist.com, "mumble > >Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:04:41 +0200 (EET)
> > From: Ville Vainio <vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi>
> >Subject: Mania and schizophrenia
>
> :) Most medicine is like that, trying to
> make good guesses.
but they shouldn4t play with the pacients like lab rats or else they
don4t have moral to call charlatans to spiritual masters or yoguis or
people that have espiritual experiences
> With real life humans and psychiatry, the
> questions become a bit different.
well you couldn4t be more right, with humans the "thing" is different
> Yes, a rather poor platform on which to base
> this diagnosis.
> I can see this must have been one of those
> stigmatizing labels Lisaveta mentioned in her
> post to the list.
but unfortunately it4s the reality of the majority of doctors :(
> >and diagnosed me as a schizoid personality. Despite the fact that
I have
> >always been deeply emotional, love my wife & family, and have
friends.
well does a spiritual person have to be allways in extatic extacy?
don4t we have the right to be depressed withou being put in the
mentally ill department?
don4t we have the right to be different without putting us in a
basket of names and cientific failures?
do we have to pay for the science mental illness?
there are not sick people without causes, and in the deepness is
allways the lack of love from a society full of guilt that blames not
to be blamed and seeks easy answers in science when they can not give
in they4re heart, uffff this list really helps me to get it out of my
chest what i can not say in the face of the great man of science that
almost killed and sucked all the life in me with pills and reality
concepts don4t worry he lives in portugal lol :)
> One must wonder whether this is not a dark
> Jungian shadow of the fear of not being able
> to cope, of not being able to do what modern
> society expects us to do, i.e. perform.
>
you couldn4t be more right i4m tired of earing well educated people
talk of mental illness but i wish that they had passed through what
pacients pass, not with an avengence sentiment but with pedagogical
concerns
and let me tell without being a doctor but being a pacient
missdiagnosed that even they say it4s in the genes i still won4t
believe because this is for any blind men to see that mental illness
are the spiritual field in it4s cause not in the body even if the
body gets affected afterwards.
the disease allways starts in the mind of the person not otherwise
and should i say in the heart.
well let me rise questions about many people that said that they hve
kundalini rised...
if anybody has risen is K why doesn4t he have superconscienseness?
and why can4t he cure any mental inbalance like shaktipat to the
blocked disciple?
can4t we reverse the body disease in the brain?
> >Me too. One of them is that spiritual person can quite easily fake
the
> >behaviour of a normal person, and go along the same thought routes
as the
> >normals do.
spiritual person!? normal person!? were are that people take me to
your leader lol :)
i think that people have many faces in the ego. in a person lives
many different persons and don4t label me has multiple personality
illness or whatever basket science has
>The insane person is not
> able to stay silent about his experiences.
why do we have to hide our experiences? is it not to be laught at
are spiritual experiences not natural to earthlings or the reality is
the financial times and the struggle for power to say i4m the
champion and you are the lousers
isn4t the real reality the SPIRITUAL SOUL that science is struggling
to kill
> maybe because there is a general imbalance
> in the mind body.
let me please shout I DISCOUVERED THE SPIRITUAL EXISTENCE AND ONCE I
WAS A PSEUDO REALITY ZOMBIE AND I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT WITHOUT SEEING
IT WITH MY EYES IF YOU UNDERSTAND ME
well i4m now probably in some basket lol :)
> >I sincerely hope so :-).
i4m more inclined to life factors like emotional "blocks" even of
past lifes and kill me if that4s not scientific :) but it4s a
hipnoses fact that people have previous lifes. this based on my
experience of K awakening that i had 2 episodes of another states of
life maybe i4m not an absolute right man but i became a child and i
became in another episode a handicap person
> based. As long as the desire to speak is there,
> the ability will stay. Or something like that.
> ;)
what about the man and women that stay silence for years or in caves
or retreats why do they have a clear mind about life itself and not
the immediate and little problems of our pseudo reality
> some things are done without conscious volition
> sometimes.
i4ve heard int this list that K has is own will and is intelligent
what do they mean?
are the people driven to spiritual matters or each one has they4re
own mission in they4re field and who decides what is the field?
this because i like computers but i can4t stand working with
deadlines and bad mood bosses and i think my dream is to be a mix
between spiritual and computer related but with all the time in the
world because that does make the diference
why do we have to be very rich with money?
how many times do we eat a day and the other necessities?
do we really have to be full of money to be free in this capitalistic
world?
it4s not ment for you because i sensed has a joke :) lol or an
anxienty :\
> We all have our own dharma to uphold. :)
well i think i am going to be one of the unemployed person too
but i don4t like the word but like a philosopher of my country said
i4m not a soldier of the production i4m a free being that was made to
have ideias and contemplate and just be happy because that4s our
natural source
> >"Balance"... hmm.. I think I had that feeling around the early
1997 ;-).
>
re LOL :) godd for you... what4s balance? isn4t that the thing that
we do cooking LOL :})
that remainds me that the world is impermanent and has suffering in
it, we can not expect to live happely ever after even if that4s our
nature
> >though I assume that a good therapist
> >can turn a schizoid into schizophrenic in a few well-planned sessions.
like david coperfield they can do wonders with a good person
> LOL ! I am pretty sure about that to.
> In order to undergo psychiatric care, one >should be extremely sane.
yes , but the reality is that we aren4t and they take advantage of
that situation and puts us in the pseudo reality again :(
> I do have respect for psychiatry and >psychology,
well i most of all respect pacients that have to be the lab rats :)
> Alcohol has an even more pronounced effect.
i think you are right because i sense some unusually palpitations
with imense power when drinking coffee
> I only think that in today's world, mental
> activities are becoming more and more common
> because of the way we structure our societies.
well i rest my case. i4ve runned out of baskets now
i only say that people are not computers with a few instructions that
we can say this is an apple or this is an IBM
each person is a cosmos wich can not be put in a basket of
personalities or illnesses
> >And ultimately, we'll all end up dead anyway, and see the same,
smiling
> >absence of darkness.
if it4s any consolation then the worms come and eat us :) LOL
death is not bad in fact i don4t believe in death i believe in stages
or levels
> However,
> I am not sure this is the right solution.
:( how little did we progressed
THIS WAS NOT TO HARM ANYBODY BUT TO UFFFFFFF MY POOR HEART :)
hugs & kisses
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