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Recieved: 2000/01/28 02:44
Subject: [K-list] Re: Avatars, Alone, etc
From: Sharon Webb
On 2000/01/28 02:44, Sharon Webb posted thus to the K-list:
From: "Sharon Webb" <sharwebbATnospamalltel.net>
El wrote:
>>I know this is pretty much impossible for anyone who hasn't experienced
it
firsthand to comprehend (and I know there are some others out there who have
experienced it and have given up even trying to say anything about it --
probably wiser than me, LOL!). The devastating part of the God/Self/Source
awakening isn't about losing one's distinctive individuality (unless one had
an extremely narcissistic attachment to it). It's the profound aloneness of
the One Self.
Yes. You and I have talked of this. There aren't many who have had this
experience...and it can be devastating. It was to me. But I have found a
peace with it.
> Two obstacles seem to prevent those who haven't awakened to the God/Self
> level from being able to comprehend much said about it: (1) It contradicts
> one's established perception of reality; (2) It challenges cherished
ideals
> of what the Divine state of Wholeness should be. We want to think of the
> highest state as one utterly removed from all pain so we can hold to the
hope
> that eventually we too can exist forever in that luxurious state of
being --
> a sort of natural, inherent cosmic version of being perpetually high on
> heroin. The suggestion that God/Self/Source can suffer is abhorrent to
most
> of us, and for those whose highest mystical experiences have been of the
> bliss/joy variety, it just seems to be flat out wrong. In either case,
it's
> less discomfiting to dismiss this as an ego-distortion of the
enlightenment
> experience than to consider what I'm saying as possibly valid.
What you say is exactly so. I seldom speak of it and I'm sticking my neck
out here. It is a disturbing concept. I mentioned my experience to a woman
a year ago, and she still brings it up and tries to refute what I perceived.
It is too frightening for her to handle otherwise, I think.
> Not many "masters" speak of God/Self's suffering (Mother Meerer is one
> exception; she has openly said that "Of course God suffers"). And most
> religious doctrine/dogma appears to avoid or deny the dark aspects of
> awakening. Yet according to Grof's interviews with many who had had this
> experience, even those who were not pulled into the Aloneness/Loneliness
pain
> told of feeling the divine "boredom" of the Void. This is another way of
> perceiving the primordial, distressing "lack" for which
creation/multiplicity
> was the divine solution.
There is mention of this in one of Jane Robert's Seth books, where Seth
speaks of the agony of All That Is. It was the agony, I think, of the
_unrealized_ potential that birthed us. "In sorrow shalt though bring forth
children."
Sharon
sharwebbATnospamalltel.net
www.fractalus.com/sharon
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