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Recieved: 2000/01/13 03:42
Subject: Re: [K-list] Really wondering
From: Ville Vainio
On 2000/01/13 03:42, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Jenell wrote:
> that is, are we really talking at all about the same thing when we talk
> of 'k' in context of what is invovled in deliberate practices, yoga
> excercises, breathing excercies, etc, and that which we call spontaneous
> 'k' arousal? More and more i'm really questioning this, for my own and
I believe we are - but making yoga exercises during awakened k might
"drive" the experience to a different direction. It seems that some people
have such a "mild" k that they must meditate to get any experiences.
Sometimes somebody, when asked to describe what k feels like, starts every
observation/symptom with a reference to meditation.
> that of toehrs with spontaeous awakening seem to actually have little in
> common with what those using deliberate practices expereince. I've never
Those in deliberate practises often over-emphasize their distinct
experiences and develop an attachment to them. That gives the tone to
their descriptions.
> 'nectar' dripping from one's palate, talking about feeling k coming up
> oe or another different channel in the spine, I've never had any
> awareness of it specifically coming up my spine at all, never had 'light
For me, the spinal phenomena usually happen when having been "blocked" for
some time, and the spinal "flow" or tingling "dissolves" the feeling of
being blocked.
> paranormal phenomenon, psychic expereiences, experienced transformation
> and enlightment in various ways, and by various means, including
> 'hearing' voices that instruct and teach, sometimes convey information
> aparantly from deceased people even, awareness in various ways of
> 'spiritual entities', spiritual beings, with too much 'verification' of
> their 'presence' to dismiss as just my imagination or hallucinations,
> visions and dreams, 'messages through signs', or synchronicities, etc,
Hmm.... I don't think paranormal phenomena are a manifestation of
enlightenment (that's not probably what you meant, just wanted to clarify
a bit).
> which it seems is not usually a part of the experience of those
> deliberately practicing to 'raise k'. This doesn't seem to be just a
> difference in my cultural way of percieving it, or the words I would
> choose to define/describe, but a different kind of experience, period.
To me it seems that you have a very receptive, "open" nervous system while
many deliberate practitioners have a more "closed", blocked, static,
ego-guided nervous system. Thus, k can do it's work more freely inside you
and therefore you feel it differently. Perhaps that's why it awakened
spontaneously with you in the first place.
> I'm really wondering if we are really talking about two or even more,
> quite diferent phenomen?
I think k is such a complex phenomenon and brain is such a complex device
that it can do pretty much anything, regardless of how we try to
compartmentalize it. We really don't know enough about it. Just when it
starts to feel familiar - boom - something new comes up.
Speeking of "feeling crappy"-epidemic... I have been feeling like that for
a month or so. Now I'm just recovering from a flu, but my hands are still
feeling strange/weak/cold. It's only now that I'm starting to feel the k
returning to the usual bliss-inducing state.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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