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Subject: Digest for kundaliniATnospamtopica.com, issue 24
From: Kundalini
On 2000/01/12 04:31, Kundalini posted thus to the K-list:
-- Topica Digest --
Re: Opinions please?
By martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
I survived Y2K (sort of)
By martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
Re: I survived Y2K (sort of)
By ckressATnospamaol.com
Throat Chakra
By mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com
love poll results
By druoutATnospamaol.com
Re: Opinions please?
By druoutATnospamaol.com
Re: Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
By wynterATnospamone.net.au
FW: Hunger in the world - donate for FREE!!
By japsersanATnospam
Kundalini confused with medical ailments
By ckressATnospamaol.com
Kundalini
By scoopharATnospamaol.com
Re: Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
By aurasphereATnospamhome.com
Re: Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
By serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Re: love poll results
By loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com
herbs, nurtients, healing
By anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net
Mail Server says 'full'
By jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr
How to systematize that and serendipity (The cat helped the lotus open)
By jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr
"The ego is only an absence of awareness"
By jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr
Re: I survived Y2K (sort of)
By martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:19:50 +0000
From: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please?
22:11:42 Mon, 10 Jan 2000
Mystress Angelique Serpent at Mystress Angelique Serpent
<serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> writes:
> I'd like some feedback from the members about topica.com, our new
>listserv. Namely, should we stay here or move to onelist.com?
> If we move to onelist we won't be the Kundalini list anymore coz Tamra
>took that name already. We can be the Kundalini-Gateway list tho..
> I don't mind Topica, it seems to work OK.. I don't mind moving the list
>either.. but I am looking for votes to see what Y'all think..
It makes no difference to me.
The links on your web site and on the Kundalini Gateway site still point
to list-serve though, but the site cannot be found at list-serve when I
try clicking...
--
Martin Thompson martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk
Free Regular Income: http://www.virtualis.com/vr/mthomps4/vrp.html
"Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:34:26 +0000
From: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [K-list] I survived Y2K (sort of)
06:39:04 Tue, 11 Jan 2000
Robert Weil at Robert Weil <robert_weilATnospamscientia.com> writes:
>Personally, I have much respect for the herb thyme. It contains two
>antibacterial chemicals (Thymol and ?) and assists with clearing phlegm
>from the chest, inducing fever (and hence killing viruses), and infused as
>a tea with a little honey is tasty too. I've used it to help me over chest
>coughs, fevers and sore throats.
>
For colds (and less so for flu) I find trebling the RDA for Zinc works
very well indeed: in other words, taking 15mg Zinc three times a day,
for a total of 45mg, squashes the symptoms either on the first day if
you caught it early enough, or after about half the normal duration of a
cold (3 days instead of 7) or at worst lessens the normal strength of
the symptoms considerably. Studies were done which showed it to be
ineffective, but they tested zinc gluconate, which is indeed not much
use. Other forms of zinc tablets all seem to work fine with me.
Don't take more than 45mg per day - if you are taking too much, you will
know as you will get very thirsty. Eating salads helps too (probably
contains zinc).
Not related to zinc, but a book I recommend in general on foods that
help with illnesses and diseases is "Food Your Miracle Medicine," by
Jean Carper.
--
Martin Thompson martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk
Free Regular Income: http://www.virtualis.com/vr/mthomps4/vrp.html
"Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:16:43 EST
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] I survived Y2K (sort of)
Re: "natural" immune system support:
zinc, manganese, vitamin C and beta-carotene (carrot juice, yum) all enhance
the immune system
In addition to echinacea and goldenseal (already mentioned by other posts),
licorice root (glycyrrhiza glabra) has antibiotic activity against staph,
strep, Candida (yeast infection) and has antiviral properties. It is
especially effective in treating respiratory tract infections such as
bronchitis, pharyngitis and pneumonia. Also an anti-inflammatory,
anti-spasmodic herb very useful for healing gastro-intestinal conditions such
as ulcers. AVOID use if you have high blood pressure or take digoxin
medication. Prolonged or large doses can cause psuedoaldosteronism (first
warning sign -- swollen ankles, immediately reversible upon ceasing to take
the licorice.)
Also, St. Johns Wort (the entire herb, not just the hypericum extract used
for an anti-depressant) is anti-viral and extremely effective against staph
infections. Also analgesic (relieves pain). Can have some side effects.
Most common are digestive upset, skin rashes, fatigue or anxiety which
disappear when the herb is discontinued. Also not recommended for those with
high blood pressure.
The most potent natural germ-killer I've found is garlic. It has
antibiotic, antibacterial, antifungal properties and has been found useful in
lowering high blood pressure, as well as treating bronchitis, pneumonia,
allergies, dysentery and even cancer (licorice and St. Johns Wort have shown
cancer-fighting properties as well). I used it in the past to heal skin
infections, both by taking it internally (raw sliced garlic) and using it as
a poultice ( a tiny bit crushed on a bandage over the wound). This stuff can
practically raise the dead!! Unfortunately, it is also very hard on delicate
digestive systems, which I now have, courtesy of rampaging K.
El
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:40:30 0000
From: "winter mute" <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com>
Subject: Throat Chakra
---
Only the gate
of the abbey is left,
on the winter moor.
-Shiki
From:
gi-ATnospamnimbus.demon.co.uk
Date:
January 11, 2000 07:36 PST
Subject:
winter mute - chakras
Hi Gill,
Nice to hear from you ! :)
Here's a long reply to your question.
It may be too much, but you can skip
what you want. :)
>You referred recently to the fifth chakra >taking over from the
>second. Could you explain what you meant, and >how one can tell if
>this is happening?
This is only my personal experience and it will
probably be different in other ppl,
mind you, but here it is: :)
First the throat chakra started opening up.
When the happened,
I felt a warm energy standing at the top
of the breastbone (after having stayed right
above the heart, it seemed to have moved
upwards) for days on end.
The energy felt a little like
the friction of energy against a slight
barrier, like sunlight being filtered
through sand thrown up into the air.
At night, energy was coming up from the
lower chakras in jolts and pushes
and making the body bend the neck backwards
as far as it would go to accomodate the
energy. There were also waves of orgasmic
muscle contractions in the throat / larynx
area in the beginning.
Now sometimes, I can feel the
throat vibrate and widen to allow more
energy through.
The throat chakra is associated with
hearing, sound, vibration, the element of
"ether" and communicating in the astral
field.
My experience is that when the throat chakra
opens up, communication with the astral
field becomes possible.
Then the question of the 5th taking over the
functions of the 2nd chakra:
I was never sure my 2nd chakra, the sexual
chakra in women, was ever opened, as I
could seldomly feel it, but then energy started
going into it during the initial opening of
the 5th chakra.
As soon as the energy hit the 2nd chakra,
it would speed up to the 5th and cause
something as odd as highly
sexualized feelings
in the area of the mouth, tongue, larynx
and lips.
I regard the 5th as being strongly connected
with the 2nd due to the shared sensations
of sexual pleasure, although I believe the
sensations in the 5th are more geared towards
god and devotion rather than another person
as it may be in the 2nd chakra.
But since god is in all persons, the distinction
may not be that important. :)
Other sources also describe of connections
b/n the 2nd and the 5th, that chanting is
supposed to help loss of sex hormones in
both women and men during menopause etc.
I experienced the 5th taking over the
2nd chakras functions, as an increase in
feelings of devotion and bliss being
associated with sexual emotions, but of the
type of absolute devotion and wish to merge
completely with the Other, i.e. god. :)
These emotions and bliss would substitute for
emotions of sexual desire.
I regard these emotions as being somewhat
similar to the emotions encountered in the
2nd chakra but less focused on a person
but on a concept. In the end, the feeling
of devotion becomes the devotion itself.
>Your post came the night after I dreamt that >I'd bought a blue
>bracelet, to go with a green one I already >had. I paid for it with a
> two pence piece, and got a fifty pence piece >in return (and even in
> the dream, I knew that was a good deal!) I >was musing on the
> significance of the colours and the numbers >when your post turned
> up.
50 pence for 2 ?
That was a good deal indeed ! :D
Hmmmm.... I'm not an expert on colors, but
isn't green associated with the heart chakra ?
Blue is at any rate associated with the throat chakra.
Maybe you are experiencing things in your life
that has enabled you to solve matters of the
heart chakra and now you're ready to go deeper
with this person / persons, communicating
directly with their innermost being,
which is the domain of the throat chakra.
Or maybe you are ready to communicate with the
innermost being of yourself ? :)
Which is just as important as being in deep
touch with others.
> Of course, I could be completely on the wrong >track; all
> interpretations welcome!
Check out some of the good books on chakras
out there, online and offline.
Best of luck with working with the throat
chakra !
Love,
Amanda.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:24:48 EST
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Subject: love poll results
Poll Question : How many of us feel that "love" had a part in their
*awakening*. I leave the term vague on purpose. I thought it would be
interesting to see the variety
of ways in which love is defined and experienced in conjunction with K.
Dear List,
Fifteen people answered the poll.
All but two people answered that love had something to do with either their
awakening or with their K experience.
For 4 of us a relationship triggered K.
For 5 people *Love* was an integral part of a dramatic Awakening--energy
pouring into the body--with such descriptions as "all encompassing gold
liquid love," "divine energy," "holy spirit is love," "pouring into myself
was love, divine love," "I knew without a doubt that God was love."
For another 4, the experiencing of the energy as love was more gradual, but
nonetheless profound, with such descriptions as "pure undiluted unconditional
love," "overwhelming sense of joy," "loving everything. "
As a side note, 4 people experienced trauma of some sort before their
awakening.
Below are excerpts from people's descriptions...
*******************
Not in the beginning. ...After a couple of years I started having attacks of
"feeling connected" and kind of loving everything. ...I somewhat "know" or
"feel" that Love is the key.
And as I experienced the awakening, the most powerful force that I both
experienced pouring into myself was love, divine love, and the most
powerful first change that came about in me was an opening of love
within me such I had never known before, love for everyone and
everything. At times, I seem to just 'glow' with love
In my plea's to God/source I was answered with an all encompassing gold
liquid love that went all through my body. It was so intense that words
don't really explain the magnitude of the experience. I knew in that moment
that God loved me and everyone the same and that I was to love everyone also.
The answer is love.
I felt times where I'd stop and just start crying because the
love and overwhelming sense of (contentment? joy?) around me.
Love wasn't just a part of my awakening, love was my awakening. I
really didn't have a clue what love was until the divine energy poured
from the base of my spine, up my back and out the top of my head early
one December morning in 1981. I knew without a doubt that God was love,
that I was loved, and that salvation was a free gift for all.
... I had an experience where I fell in love with someone. I became
them..... it was love that transformed me. The holy spirit is love and I
believe it descended upon me.......I was never with the person I fell in love
with, but through my own feelings I discovered this connection with the
universe....And I do believe the greatest of these is love....
I still don't pretend to know what love is. My awakening came at the time of
the breaking down of self-hate. Perhaps it was the beginning of self-love, I
don't know.
...when the energy became really noticeable in the heart chakra, the energy
itself was felt as nothing but pure and undiluted, unconditonal love...
When the energy filled the heart chakra, it was felt as the physical
manifestation of
love, not sexual attraction or erotic love, but love as a vibration and an
energy in itself, god manifested as love and loving, caring and healing
energy.
I finally have come to feel that love is what we all are--what the essence of
the universe is.
For me love was THE Kundalini thing, it flushed away (pealed off) all the
pain, anxieties, anguish and fears. ... To return to love
in its original state, I had to get THROUGH the pain. ... It became easier as
I became more daring and and started to trust love's real energy as (first)
inner strength that was not afraid to expand itself in loving others into
(secondly) outer strength, strengthening others.
So anyway, love didn't start it but I ended up with it in everything.
My k began about 8 months after the
terribly difficult ending of my last relationship -- one in which l'd forced
myself to let go of someone l still really loved. One thing l did which
enabled me to move on was intensify my meditation practice, and it wasn't
long before k awakened. At the time l looked on it in a way as my reward for
having giiven her up. l felt l'd done the right thing, suffered tremendous
pain in doing so, and that God was rewarding me for it
No words relating to this experience were spoken between us, but the energy
flying around that room (for 10-25 minutes?) would have powered Toronto for a
day. It powered me for three months....
I never had seen "love" play any role in my awakening at
all. In fact, no emotions were involved in it at all.
However, it has been working its way into my life recently, and it's
definitely tied to kundalini.
Love love love.. love from the Mother underground when I was two made
the love of my physical Mom seem like a joke.. not good enough. ...
Love for my first love at age 18 slowly sent me into spiritual winter for
a few years, a broken heart from another lost love in 1989? made me
desperate and focused enough to set aside my ego and go into the light to
talk to angels.. and learning that I wouldn't be getting him back knocked
me back to Earth again... but wiser.
Love love love.. what else is there?
Many thanks to you all!
Love, Hillary
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:48:59 EST
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please?
In a message dated 1/10/00 10:11:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< I'd like some feedback from the members about topica.com, our new
listserv. Namely, should we stay here or move to onelist.com? >>
Dear Angelique,
I vote for moving despite the considerable bother. I'm still not getting all
posts despite registering with Topica. I don't know if this is a common
problem or not.
I love one-list's wonderful archive retrieval service even though I know the
K-digest can serve this purpose. Topica doesn't seem to have a long term
one.
It might be less confusing if our "Original" K list was with the other
Kundalini lists at One-list. The separation seems to cause more confusion
than not.
Love, Hillary
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:10:42 +1100
From: Christopher Wynter <wynterATnospamone.net.au>
Cc: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
At 08:50 AM 1/12/00 , you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/10/00 10:11:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
>
><< I'd like some feedback from the members about topica.com, our new
> listserv. Namely, should we stay here or move to onelist.com? >>
as the operator of a community at one list,
I am attempting to address a couple of problems
that are apparent with their system ..
the most pressing of which is the problem that they have started
to include banners at the bottom of their e-mails.
This is resulting, I am being told, in the error message
"unable to open file"
for those who download their e-mails to be read off line.
The other problem is that if styled text (HTML) is used,
this is regarded as an attachment, and thus messages using
html are not being displayed in either the digest ..
or properly within the archives.
I feel that both of these problems can be overcome
by ensuring that the attachments option with onelist is turned OFF
and that list members ensure that their e-mail clients are
set to send plain text only.
apart from this, I have had no other problems with onelist. ..
and they do have some useful features ...
apart from their cumbersome log-in which brings up their multilingual
service automatically whether I want it or not.
I feel that I have had no problems with your move to topica ...
and it is interesting to read the feedback from others
as I have considered moving my group to topica
because of their lack of advertising, and the availability
of using HTML or styled text .. which allows for easier
reading and editing of text because, as moderator, I can use colour
and highlighting to point out pertinent
content for comment ....
I do use this feature on onelist ... and many of my members enjoy it ..
but it does limit those who chose the digest mode as they do not receive
the html
mail.
so far, onelist have not been able to come up with a solution ...
I have also noticed a lack of activity on many other lists over the last
few weeks..
and wonder if the perceived lack of activity on this list is merely a sign
of the
seasons .. with many people not coming on list at this time ...
Trust these observations help ...
BTW ... I am not sure whether you have the HTML option set at Topica
so I will send this in both plain and styled
so you can see the possibilities ...
Christopher Wynter
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:19:11 +0100
From: Jasper B <japsersanATnospam>
Subject: FW: Hunger in the world - donate for FREE!!
> Quite clever of the UN to do this. Go to the Hunger Site at the UN.
> All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person
> gets a meal to eat, at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate
> sponsors (who gain advertising in the process because you see their logo).
>All you do is go to the site and click. But you're only allowed one
>click per day. So spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the
word.
>http://www.thehungersite.com
>
>Not a bad deal.....point, click and feed....spread it around.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:55:12 EST
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com
CC: jrdarbyATnospamtelusplanet.net
Subject: Kundalini confused with medical ailments
This is partially in response to a query I received about the relationship
between Kundalini and epilepsy. Apparently, someone has been circulating a
tract saying that Kundalini doesn't exist, and that reported cases of it are
really epilepsy and should be medically treated.
Due to the array of symptoms set off by Kundalini, the process is often
misdiagnosed. Particularly in the case of a violent, extended Kundalini
awakening, physical symptoms are so profuse and varied they can mimic just
about any disease imaginable. Stanislav and Christina Grof say the most
likely misdiagnoses are epilepsy, incipient multiple sclerosis, heart attack
or pelvic inflammatory syndrome. (from "The Concept of Spiritual Emergency,"
and article published by SEN)
In reversal to the K = epilepsy hypothesis, certain neurological and
psychiatric illnesses may in fact be entirely -- or frequently -- cases of
awakened Kundalini which medicine has been staring in the face for eons
without recognizing what it was seeing. Joan Borysenko mentions that people
diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy (also known as complex partial
seizures) "may report out-of-body experiences and also frequently report
strange feelings akin to electrical discharges that originate at the base of
the spine, give rise to orgasmic flows of energy, can cause their body to
contort into yogalike postures, and sometimes lead to insightful
revelations." (from "A Woman's Book of Life"). Other so-called symptoms
include a preoccupation with religious ideas.
What is authentic spiritual experience for the mystic might appear to be
obsessive religious involvement to an uninformed observer. Repression of
spiritual/altered states of consciousness runs so deep in the modern world
that even when confronted with something that looks like a duck, walks like a
duck and sounds like a duck, the clinician confidently proclaims: "We have
before us a very short ostrich... and anyone who says otherwise is a quack."
(Sorry, couldn't resist the bad pun.)
Through letters to Shared Transformation newsletter (and emails to our
website), I've heard from people diagnosed with epilepsy who wrote to me
because they believed their symptoms were following the K-profile. Several
of them told me that they were prescribed Dilantin and other anti-seizure
medications which either had no effect on their continuing symptoms, or made
them feel worse. One of these people told me she did much better once she
stopped all her medications.
Keep in mind that there are many forms of epilepsy. Grand mal is among the
most dangerous in terms of losing consciousness during a seizure, thus the
threat of suffocation or injuries
-2-
when passing out. Temporal lobe epilepsy is the one that sounds to me most
likely to be misdiagnosed K, but not in all cases. There are also
characteristic "strange chewing movements of the mouth which occur throughout
each episode" of temporal lobe ep., which seems more indicative of
neurological dysfunction than the other associated symptoms. So it may be
that brain damage or neurological dysfunction is involved in some cases of
temporal lobe epilepsy, while in other cases, it's actually K and therefore
there is no need for medical intervention. If you're unsure which one is
causing your symptoms, it probably would be best to have a medical
examination... even though you may be misdiagnosed anyway, LOL.
Another suspiciously K-sounding medical condition is PLMD (periodic limb
movement syndrome) and in some cases, its cousin, RLS (restless leg
syndrome). Symptoms of this condition sound very much like kriyas:
repetitive jerking and twitching of the leg(s) or arm(s) (or both) most often
experienced during sleep. Some of the literature says that people with this
condition may feel "strong sensations -- like bugs crawling -- deep within
the leg muscles and knees that cause a powerful urge to move." For me, the
kriyas just happen spontaneously; there is no "urge" involved, but I suppose
this is impossible for someone who hasn't experienced it to imagine. At
times I can feel a pre-kriya tension (similar to before sneezing). If I
chose to resist the kriya-movements, I could, but why would I? It creates an
electric-shock type pain or an achiness if I resist, while letting it happen
doesn't hurt at all.
Medicine isn't the exact science that the media (and many doctors) would have
us believe. Jeanne Achterberg, professor of psychology and physical medicine
at the University of Texas Health Science Center, has pointed out that "one
rarely sees 'classic' cases of anything," even in traditional Western
medicine. "People are diagnosed based on clusters of symptoms that look
something like what other people have had, and a name has been attached to
them," she explains. "In truth, however, each body/mind/spirit seems to
respond to inner and outer life in a unique way, wearing thin or flaring up
here or there." (from "The Shaman's Path")
El
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:02:22 EST
From: ScoopharATnospamaol.com
Subject: Kundalini
Hello,
My name is Gene and I am new to Yoga.
I've read a lot about Kundalini and I would like to take classes.
Do you have any idea how I can find Kundalini classes in Washinton DC area?
Thank You
Gene
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:05:52 -0800
From: "Wim Borsboom" <aurasphereATnospamhome.com>
Cc: <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
I think Christopher Wynter has some valid observations and cautions about
onelist.
I find the topica digest handy
Wim
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:12:14 -0800
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Opinions please? (reply in plain text)
At 02:12 PM 1/11/00 -0800, Christopher Wynter wrote:
>the most pressing of which is the problem that they have started
>to include banners at the bottom of their e-mails.
I've noticed.. I don't like them.
>This is resulting, I am being told, in the error message
>"unable to open file"
>for those who download their e-mails to be read off line.
I am on cable internet so I had not noticed. Thanks.. can they still
read the email?
>I feel that both of these problems can be overcome
>by ensuring that the attachments option with onelist is turned OFF
>and that list members ensure that their e-mail clients are
>set to send plain text only.
For myself, I would prefer all messages come plaintext. At
list-server.net we had many problems with what styled text would do to the
digest. However, no matter how many times I made the request for plaintext
only, people still sent styled text ... it seems that controlling that is
beyond my ability.
>apart from this, I have had no other problems with onelist. ..
>and they do have some useful features ...
>apart from their cumbersome log-in which brings up their multilingual
>service automatically whether I want it or not.
I don't like the log-in either.. with Topica it seems optional, but
what Hillary said about some posts still not getting thru concerns me.. and
topica has yet to respond to any of my support requests.
>I have considered moving my group to topica
>because of their lack of advertising, and the availability
>of using HTML or styled text ..
Topica is advertiser-supported, so far as I know.. mostly by banners on
the website, now, but it may be that more advertising will show up as it
grows, as happened with onelist.
>I <...> wonder if the perceived lack of activity on this list is merely a
sign
>of the seasons .. with many people not coming on list at this time ...
It's normal for the K-list to be quieter in Jan, the doldrums after
the Solstice storm.
>Trust these observations help ...
Yes, thankyou.. still collecting votes, tho..
Blessings..
Mystress Angelique Serpent, http://www.domin8rex.com
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
8) :D ;) :0 :) ;P ;) :D |* ;) 8D :)
<<<< I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
<<<< than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
<<<< -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:39:25 PST
From: "Marion Hanvey" <loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] love poll results
Dear Hillary
Sorry for not replying sooner. (Can I moan here? This email's doing my
head in, the computer's doing my body in, and the computer chair is doing my
back in. And yes I know I'm at the wrong angle and posture and all that,
before someone tells me, I'm going to swap it for a nice upright kitchen
chair! I've spent *hours*, is, ** the right netiquette? As opposed to
HOURS!!!!!! doing "housekeeping".
"Your account is over 2000K, we wil delete. we will delete, blah blah blah.
So I'm going to move some stuff to another email provider. But probably not
this since everyone here that answered me has got used to calling me
Loulou.)
Hillary, for me, love and k came at the same time. so, chicken and egg, your
guess is as good as mine. For people where love was not an equation, I
would guess that it was either some other traumatic emotion (the peak of any
emotion can take you to your Self-or trigger off the energies that lead
there) or the result of a long searching that kick-starts it. That's my
belief anyway. But I'm not enlightened so what do I know?
Anyway, to the lady with the cold hands, the energy that comes off a
computer is definitely cold! Yuk! Cold electricity, I can feel it against
my feet and legs now. No wonder your hands are cold. I'me going to try the
tinfoil method somebody suggested. Also, did somebody say an attunement
(reiki?) caused an upsurge in k? That would make sense to me. See I've
been lurking. Sorry to answer like this but everything's deleted.
love
Loulou
>From: druoutATnospamaol.com
>Reply-To: druoutATnospamaol.com
>To: kundaliniATnospamtopica.com
>Subject: [K-list] love poll results
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:25:31 -0800
>
>Poll Question : How many of us feel that "love" had a part in their
>*awakening*. I leave the term vague on purpose. I thought it would be
>interesting to see the variety
>of ways in which love is defined and experienced in conjunction with K.
>
>Dear List,
>
>Fifteen people answered the poll.
>
>All but two people answered that love had something to do with either their
>awakening or with their K experience.
>
>For 4 of us a relationship triggered K.
>
>For 5 people *Love* was an integral part of a dramatic Awakening--energy
>pouring into the body--with such descriptions as "all encompassing gold
>liquid love," "divine energy," "holy spirit is love," "pouring into myself
>was love, divine love," "I knew without a doubt that God was love."
>
>For another 4, the experiencing of the energy as love was more gradual, but
>nonetheless profound, with such descriptions as "pure undiluted
>unconditional
>love," "overwhelming sense of joy," "loving everything. "
>
>As a side note, 4 people experienced trauma of some sort before their
>awakening.
>
>Below are excerpts from people's descriptions...
>
> *******************
>Not in the beginning. ...After a couple of years I started having attacks
>of
>"feeling connected" and kind of loving everything. ...I somewhat "know" or
>"feel" that Love is the key.
>
>And as I experienced the awakening, the most powerful force that I both
>experienced pouring into myself was love, divine love, and the most
>powerful first change that came about in me was an opening of love
>within me such I had never known before, love for everyone and
>everything. At times, I seem to just 'glow' with love
>
> In my plea's to God/source I was answered with an all encompassing gold
>liquid love that went all through my body. It was so intense that words
>don't really explain the magnitude of the experience. I knew in that
>moment
>that God loved me and everyone the same and that I was to love everyone
>also.
> The answer is love.
>
>
>I felt times where I'd stop and just start crying because the
>love and overwhelming sense of (contentment? joy?) around me.
>
>Love wasn't just a part of my awakening, love was my awakening. I
>really didn't have a clue what love was until the divine energy poured
>from the base of my spine, up my back and out the top of my head early
>one December morning in 1981. I knew without a doubt that God was love,
>that I was loved, and that salvation was a free gift for all.
>
>... I had an experience where I fell in love with someone. I became
>them..... it was love that transformed me. The holy spirit is love and I
>believe it descended upon me.......I was never with the person I fell in
>love
>with, but through my own feelings I discovered this connection with the
>universe....And I do believe the greatest of these is love....
>
>I still don't pretend to know what love is. My awakening came at the time
>of
>the breaking down of self-hate. Perhaps it was the beginning of self-love,
>I
>don't know.
>
>...when the energy became really noticeable in the heart chakra, the energy
>itself was felt as nothing but pure and undiluted, unconditonal love...
>When the energy filled the heart chakra, it was felt as the physical
>manifestation of
>love, not sexual attraction or erotic love, but love as a vibration and an
>energy in itself, god manifested as love and loving, caring and healing
>energy.
>
>I finally have come to feel that love is what we all are--what the essence
>of
>the universe is.
>
>For me love was THE Kundalini thing, it flushed away (pealed off) all the
>pain, anxieties, anguish and fears. ... To return to love
>in its original state, I had to get THROUGH the pain. ... It became easier
>as
>I became more daring and and started to trust love's real energy as (first)
>inner strength that was not afraid to expand itself in loving others into
>(secondly) outer strength, strengthening others.
>
>So anyway, love didn't start it but I ended up with it in everything.
>
>My k began about 8 months after the
>terribly difficult ending of my last relationship -- one in which l'd
>forced
>myself to let go of someone l still really loved. One thing l did which
>enabled me to move on was intensify my meditation practice, and it wasn't
>long before k awakened. At the time l looked on it in a way as my reward
>for
>having giiven her up. l felt l'd done the right thing, suffered tremendous
>pain in doing so, and that God was rewarding me for it
>
>No words relating to this experience were spoken between us, but the energy
>flying around that room (for 10-25 minutes?) would have powered Toronto for
>a
>day. It powered me for three months....
>
>I never had seen "love" play any role in my awakening at
>all. In fact, no emotions were involved in it at all.
>However, it has been working its way into my life recently, and it's
>definitely tied to kundalini.
>
>Love love love.. love from the Mother underground when I was two made
>the love of my physical Mom seem like a joke.. not good enough. ...
>Love for my first love at age 18 slowly sent me into spiritual winter for
>a few years, a broken heart from another lost love in 1989? made me
>desperate and focused enough to set aside my ego and go into the light to
>talk to angels.. and learning that I wouldn't be getting him back knocked
>me back to Earth again... but wiser.
> Love love love.. what else is there?
>
>Many thanks to you all!
>
>Love, Hillary
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:32:47 -0600
From: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
Subject: herbs, nurtients, healing
Postings relating to El's unfortunate episode remidns me, I'd like if
others here would share their thoughts on what books would be the best
for one wanting to begin putting together a basic beginning reference
library for the properties and usages of various herbs, nutrients,
foods, and to begin learning about them, etc, for matters of Health and
healing. I've browsed some sites that sell stuff like that, it's
confusing, the uses seem given very simplistc, and many different
supposedly help the same things, would one use them alone or in
combinations, etc, or what would be involved in determining which to use
in which case, etc. As on a lot of topics, there are a LOT of books on
the market, but I'd like to avoid a lot of wasted money buying ones I
later wish i hadn't bothered with! You just can't tell by reading their
promo blurbs which ones are really the better and more useful ones.
Jenell
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:06:34 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven <jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr>
Subject: Mail Server says 'full'
Marion Loulou complained that her mail provider boldly wrote
:
"Your account is over 2000K, we will delete. we will delete,
blah blah blah. So I'm going to move some stuff to another
email provider."
------
Hello Marion,
If you email account is full you just need to change one
parameter in your browser or email program.
You go in the Preferences (Edit/Preferences Menu for
example).
There you find Mail Server/incoming mail server/edit and
find the option :
Leave message on serveur (often under the 'pop' header)
Just say 'no' or let it blank
If you dont, all your mails just heap up till one mile up,
then it just falls on your head.
Better running before.
Imagine your postman keeping copies of all your (snail)
mails for the last ten years... This is what happens here,
on your email account, at your provider's, when you probably
think that having it in your computer mailbox gets it off
your provider's box.
...
So, that should solve your problem. If not I just send you a
good cup of french black coffee. And that should avoid you
to change your provider who is innocent.
Greetings from the pond,
Froggy Jacques
--
Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Kundalini/kundalini.html
http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/
http://jdsetls.citeglobe.com/index.html
http://www.home.ch/~spaw9019/cours.html
http://www.i-france.com/jdsetls/
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/Surfeur_Fou/NOF_3.0/nof_3.0.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/MHR/html/lois_et_proverbes.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/html/carrefour.html
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:18:38 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven <jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr>
Subject: How to systematize that and serendipity (The cat helped the lotus open)
Adam pertinently remarked :
'the slight disturbance created an immediate sensation to
rush the length of my spine. '
Hello,
I noticed that too.
When I am meditating, a noise provokes exactly the same. A
rush in the spine. Just like a beginning of something great.
So my question is :
How to systematize that ?
And not let it happen just by chance ? Can we do it through
a mantra ?
Very nice observation Adam.
Now, please help me (us). Find ideas and let us all
cross-verify that.
And then we are at the very core of finding by the chance of
a prepared mind, I mean serendipity.
Greetings from the pond,
Froggy Jacques
--
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http://jdsetls.citeglobe.com/index.html
http://www.home.ch/~spaw9019/cours.html
http://www.i-france.com/jdsetls/
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/Surfeur_Fou/NOF_3.0/nof_3.0.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/MHR/html/lois_et_proverbes.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/html/carrefour.html
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:49:37 +0100
From: Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven <jdsetlsATnospamsdv.fr>
Subject: "The ego is only an absence of awareness"
Colette wisely wrote :
'"The ego is only an absence of awareness'
Hello,
So true, Colette.
Now, my question is :
Is humility synonymous with confidence ?
Froggy Jacques
--
Jacques De Schryver et Linda Steven
http://jdsetls.virtualave.net/Kundalini/kundalini.html
http://members.xoom.fr/jdsetls/
http://jdsetls.citeglobe.com/index.html
http://www.home.ch/~spaw9019/cours.html
http://www.i-france.com/jdsetls/
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/Surfeur_Fou/NOF_3.0/nof_3.0.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/MHR/html/lois_et_proverbes.html
http://www.multimania.com/jdsetls/html/carrefour.html
Site de Linda : http://www.multimania.com/lsteven
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:47:00 +0000
From: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [K-list] I survived Y2K (sort of)
11:17:30 Tue, 11 Jan 2000
at ckressATnospamaol.com writes:
>licorice root (glycyrrhiza glabra) has antibiotic activity against staph,
>strep, Candida (yeast infection) and has antiviral properties. It is
>especially effective in treating respiratory tract infections such as
>bronchitis, pharyngitis and pneumonia.
It is also considered to be good against laryngitis, although it didn't
do much for me when I had that (probably varies from person to person).
I took medicine after medicine with no effect for a couple of weeks,
then found out that pineapple juice (and liquorice) both contain some
substance that the body needs to fight laryngitis, so I drank a litre
of pineapple juice over the course of a day, and sure enough, it
walloped the laryngitis: the cure wasn't complete, but after a couple
more doses, it faded away for good.
--
Martin Thompson martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
London, UK
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