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Recieved: 1999/12/29 19:31
Subject: RE: [K-list] Tantra Adam and Eve etc
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/12/29 19:31, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Tony,
You wrote:
>My understanding of Avatar is that the Christ
>Consciousness is more manifested in such a being, and
>this occurs during/after the dispensation of
>childhood.
I am still struck by Sai saying (as you wrote before) that we are all
avatars... (or 'gods' as Jesus says). Still wondering how come most of us
don't live avataric, ('the life divine' according to Aurobindo). Sai Baba is
so right though... (or Jesus or Aurobindo or ....) So, where are most of us
missing the boat. In my previous post to you, in which I recounted some of
my early childhood memories, I wanted to convey how as a child I started to
uncover and recover that sense of avatarhood or Christ consciousness (or
whatever). 'T is hard to write about that... coinceit is so close to honesty
and frankness.
So, how do we miss the boat, or fall out of the thing...? It must be in the
difference between mental understanding, external knowing and original
innate being, authenticity. Somewhere, very early in life we lose that
direct relationship with our real being... A kind of physical/mental
astigmatism. It is not my intention to try to start figuring this out, just
some quick thoughts on this...
Of course like so many people I have read a lot over time. What a great
library of books I have, and look at my reading list... blah...
blah...blah... :-)
I notice that you quote Aurobindo, neat, very neat! Have read many of his
books, stacks actually... But, over time something changed in my way of
reading. I started to read to... absorb, digest, to BE the
learned-and-read-stuff. Not sure if I can express that well enough, hope you
get my drift. I did not want to 'learn-and-display' for the sake of
'learning-and-displaying'. I ended up not being able to quote so easily
anymore... Had to give it up, have learned to give that up.
Do not be offended by what follows.
I concluded at some point that quoting knowledge is quite comparable to
hypocritical behaviour. I may be wrong, but I think that I came by this
conclusion honestly, a healthy dose of (often sharp) criticism by others
and... benevolent self-criticism in the end. Caught myself doing the
intelligent-quoting-bit a few times too often... I did and could not feel
authentic that way anymore. They (who?) teach you this 'spouting knowledge'
at school, college, university. There is a use for it in 'academia' of
course, I do not dispute that. But I found that a quoting scholar is too
often comparable to a hypocritical do-gooder. As one learns and discovers
from other ppl's learnings and discoveries one CAN stay authentic and
original. A quoting scholar is often very much like a well dressed-up
person who keeps telling the world where the designer-stuff was bought and
for how much. You know, "Such a bore!"
We maybe what we eat, but we are not the brandnames on the packages that we
get the nutrients from. Etc. Etc.
Please do not take this personally, I do not mean it that way. I don't mean
it judgementally. I just want to carry on with this train of thought here. I
may be full of beans, but I want to try, having nothing to lose but false
pride :-)
A hypocrytical person may be praising God... but mostly to be SEEN praising
God. Similarly...a scholar may be spouting tit-bits of knowledge, but too
often to be seen and to be acknowledged as quoting tit-bits intelligibly.
I am trying to point at the separation between *understanding* (indirect,
objective,alienated) and *being* (direct, subjective, innate), how that
separation may have developed... and how by interrupting this seperative
dynamic we can become direct again, innately avataric... So ham.
Let me remember an example of how and when I became aware of the
*understanding / being* split...? O yes, I was 'studying' Castaneda's Don
Juan books. It struck me at one point that Don Juan wanted Carlos to claim
knowledge as power... Had to think hard and long about that one.
Aurobindo's recognition of the descent of Krishna in the physical, was a
real physical energetic dated occurrence, just like my Christ / Me Communion
when at that instant the dated-ness and place-ness of the occurrence
dissolved.
At some point we have to stop acquiring knowledge, learning, understanding,
deliberating, debating, postulating, conceptualizing. I bet you most of us
know enough to be enlightened ten times over. We should urge ourselves to be
what we know... so that we do not under-stand anymore (the original word is
actually 'suppose': 'sub-pose') but stand in our own footsteps, being, now.
>With regard to Adam and Eve, there were many Adams and
>Eves of course, it is a name for the whole race. The
>serpent was Kundalini, and the knowledge was what they
>achieved by raising it, whether this was done sexually
>or not is really not important. Adam (humankind)
>already had a mixture wife Lilith, both at this time
>androgynous. Eve was just the representation of the
>separation of humans into female and male bodies
>that's all, Adam's rib parable. So sex was something
>they were already familiar with, it was 'knowledge'
>they required.
In fact they claimed that 'knowledge' as power, energy, BEING.
That is what Kundalini does.
This then caused a backlash by the old tribal powermonger... as represented
by a judgemental surrogate god.
I appreciate what you write, allow me to coach a bit though. Too much
propositioning, deliberations, etc., if I may say so. After I gave it all
up, I actually remembered... The 'Adam and Eve' episode is not some kind of
parable, it happened.
Deliberation eventually stops one from being
Knowing eventually separates one from being
Conceptualizing eventually separates one from being
Those kind of activities are actually mental compulsions
>ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
>THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
>MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
>OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
Yes, yes, yes.
Love, Wim
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