To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/12/14 15:24
Subject: Re: [K-list] Nazi Scumbags
From: Martin Thompson
On 1999/12/14 15:24, Martin Thompson posted thus to the K-list:
18:30:34 Tue, 14 Dec 1999
winter mute at winter mute <mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com> writes:
>
>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:33:05 Martin Thompson wrote:
>
>>Well, perhaps he was a mirror for the German people. He also helped to
>>kill nationalism, fascism, and racism, none of which have quite gone
>>yet, of course.
>
>Does there have to be judgment of these things ?
>
>Can there be knowledge and looking without
>judgment ?
>
There can. But let's not judge judgement too harshly! Bafflingly, even
judgement has to have its place. To be non-judgemental could be a sort
of judgement in itself on occasion.
>When you try to look closer at nationalism
>and fascism, there may be an appeal to the
>conscious and subconscious mind of
>mirroring and the Jungian shadow.
>It works both ways.
>
>Fascism is the Jungian shadow.
>
>It can only be "destroyed" by bringing
>it closer to light, i.e. to the conscious
>mind.
>
This is what I am saying that Hitler did, in effect. Stalin helped as
well, of course. Since those times, these ideas have been much more
visible whenever they've sprung up. Collectively, the Western world at
least is well aware of them now, at least when they occur in other
countries. Awareness, as ever, is the most vital step.
>Penetrate the Jungian
>shadow, it pays off. :)
>
Collectively, we are in the process, I think. I suppose this means that,
as it does with an individual, the properties of the Shadow will become
owned by the aware. So, our societies will become able to behave like
fascists, nationalists and racists if it is necessary, or at least be
able to use those energies as they choose, constructively or otherwise,
but those "isms" would then no longer be able to just take over and ride
us into the ground without us being aware of it as has happened in the
past.
I'm not quite sure how one would use those energies constructively, but
the theoretical possibility exists, I'm sure. Fighting for freedom?
Killing for Jesus? I don't know.
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