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Recieved: 1999/12/09 11:52
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re. K List. Re- Sushumna
From: Marion Hanvey
On 1999/12/09 11:52, Marion Hanvey posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Jenell and List
Thank you for your replies.
The reason why I don't want pain, especially emotional pain(I don't want the
other kind either) is that in pain you lose your dispassion.
Pain throws you back into an egocentric way of experiencing the world, back
in the forest of delusion. At least that is my experience. I know you
should accept things with the power of the Self and that what comes will
come and go away, but that can be very hard to hold on to sometimes when
you're hurting so much, and in such a disbelieving way. (Hello Judas!!)
That is what happened to me. Something came out of left field in a way that
if asked about as a possibility I would have said it was impossible.
Although the shock of trying to regain equilibrium sent me back on to the
spiritual path, which I had left, so maybe there is something bigger here
than what I know. (Listen God, why couldn't you just have sent me a dream?)
Mystress Angelique, I tried your grounding exercise and it was great.
I felt grounded and calm and in control for the first time in 2 years.
I then tried the other exercises, felt unbalanced again, and thought "sod
this". I also tried your pinch test, and you're right. Whatever you resist
will persist, hey?
Jenell, I still think sushumna holds a key, otherwise why would the books
say "sushumna is the nadi most beloved by the yogis"?
Lesley, thank you for your good wishes. If you would send me those links I
would be grateful.
Anybody else who has written to me, please forgive me for not replying yet,
I will.
Best wishes to all
Loulou
>From: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
>Reply-To: Jenell <anglfthrATnospamiamerica.net>
>To: Marion Hanvey <loulou_3ATnospamhotmail.com>
>CC: kundaliniATnospamList-Server.net
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Re. K List. Re- Sushumna
>Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:27:31 -0600
>
>Marion Hanvey wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jenell and List,
> > A few years ago I had an experience which I am sure was kundalini
> > rising through sushumna. This occured through the grace of a guru, and
>he
> > did it because I was in a sorry state at the time. (snip)
> > Anyway, to cut a long story shorter, this experience lasted
> > for one week, and then because of a course I was doing, I received
> > chakra healing as part of the course, and it was just as if someone had
> > pulled a plug out of a sink of water. Before I could do anything to
>stop
> > it, the energy drained away, back into the body, the tube
> > disappeared and I was back in the same old boring box. (But not in a
>sorry
> > state I was normal.)
>
>this seems to be something like what i've talked some about here that I
>a able to convey to otehr people, not k awakened, that i wondered as
>being maybe my giving them shaktipat. the strength and duration of the
>'effects' does vary quite a bit, as well as just what kid of effects
>there are, when I do this. Some seem to later show indications of their
>own k rising, or awakening, but not all. Did I in this 'give' them some
>k through my own channels, or did I somehow briefly open their own
>channels enough for them to expereince k, but not having yet develped
>their own channels into an open state, they were unable to maintain it.
>I don't know. But that sounds like what you expereienced. What i 'do' by
>my own touching others to convey something of this.
>And no, those people that expereience this from my touch do NOT then
>experience what I have in my own k awakening process, which leads me to
>beleive it my 'giving' them some of the 'k' from my ow self, my own
>'grace', that I'm drawing upon through my own open channels. I.E., I
>shared with them a bit of my own heat, from my own heat source developed
>within me , but their heater still isn't operating.
>
> > I don't think kundalini is a separate energy. I think there is only one
> > life-energy in the body which manifests differently at different points.
>
>True. Actually, I think the dfference is in what aspects of ourself
>we've entered into awareness of it. As in the temperature analogy, the
>temperature around us may not change, but if there are changes in our
>nerve endings that detect temperature, and convey it and process it into
>our awareness, it can SEEM to us there is warmth, or cold, that wasn't
>'there' before.
>
> > think the point (or one of the points) of raising the energy through
> > sushumna is that sushumna is normally empty, so no physical or emotional
> > toxins can be lurking there at a cellular level
> > to be reactivated by the energy.
>
>
>I don't agree with this thought. I don't think there are any levels
>within our celluar structre that doesn't contain 'toxins', as you call
>it. and for you to experience it in your conscious awareness, it has to
>in some way move up from the cellular level, anyway.
>
> > I may be wrong and be taking altogether a too simplistic view.
> >
>Hey, we are all groping into new territory here.
>
> > I once told a friend who practised Tibetan Buddhism about this
>experience
> > and he said the little ball was the root mind. What's the
> > root mind?
>
>I don't know what he meant.
> > You seem to be implying in your letter that transformation must be
>painful.
>
>I don't think it can NOT be. How much so may vary, but there simply
>isn't any way growth can take place without some 'destruction' of that
>which was already there, and that is going to involve some degree of
>discomfort or pain, physically or emotionally. When our perceptions
>change, we 'see' things differently, some of that is difficult, becasue
>we have formed attachments, even love for, some of that old that we are
>faced with discarding. We've contructed our concepts of reality around
>those old things. It shakes us to realize we've been 'wrong' about many
>things, in our thinking about them, shakes our self confidence, that
>alone is difficult.
>Jenell
> >
> > Loulou
> >
> >
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