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 To: K-listRecieved: 1999/12/08  05:38
 Subject: [K-list] Clean and Pure
 From: luz .
 On 1999/12/08  05:38, luz . posted thus to the K-list:
 
 
Hmmm.. just felt moved to contribute to this, but from my experience it does seem that both are possible and seperate, though (annoyingly) I lack the
 vocabulary too... ah well.
 I've always (instinctively) been on the earth path, to use your term,
 Angelique. From a child was a big fan of wallowing in the dirt, failing to
 see distinctions between pure and impure, sacred and profane, subtle and
 gross, High and Low, blah blah. Seeing sacred energy in everything, getting
 shakti from shit... Which got me in a lot of trouble through my life, that
 complete inability to grok these distinctions, having to learn them
 laboriously like a dyslexic child, assiduously, tongue in corner of mouth,
 learning, learning, this is dirty, this is clean...
 Anyway. When I was about 7 I was taken to a priest to cure asthma (my family
 would normally have nothing to do with the church but it was a wild shot, a
 just-in-case thing). I didn't like the priest, thought he was a liar and he
 smelt weird. Whiskey and mothballs. So this unappealing old priest waves his
 hands over me and I in my snotty little way am going 'what does he think he
 looks like saying all that shite, god, the embarrassment...'
 It's over and we're walking out of the church and this white energy comes
 down from above, kind of gradual, I don't notice it really at first, till it
 starts going really fast, stripping me, just like Maureen said it. I feel
 like a lightbulb, with the shadows of all the cruel and crappy things I'd
 did and said peeling off my surface, lifting out of me. Everything is gone.
 I think about a really embarrassing thing I'd done to a friend, which I
 still felt bad about, a betrayal which weighed on my diaphram when I thought
 about it like I'd swallowed a cannonball, and nothing. It was like gone.
 
The strange thing about all of that is how it did /not/ fit in at all with my ideas about god and the world at that age. I was never one of those
 Effulgent Glory types, and I couldn't make sense of it at all. Maybe
 Christopher Wynter is right, and these cultural expectations are all written
 in the DNA, but apart from that kind of stuff, I still can't explain it.
 But I don't think my little girl mind was making an internal happening seem
 external so that it would fit my closed down ideas about stuff. That doesn't
 seem to be how it was.
 
Love you allLuzbug
 
>     Again.. clean and pure suggest a polarity of judgments about whatis
 > not clean and pure..  who made those judgments, and when? Just
 curious...
 ~~*+M~*
 I did. For how else can I explain that kind of JOY? How can I explain
 the love I felt when there is no love on earth like it? Beyond , beyond?
 I have experienced many different forms of earthly love and joy. I can
 only write beyond, beyond. Would I use the opposite, dirty and impure?
 Clean in ITs crisp clear clarity . Pure in that during one experience I
 had things physically removed from me. Pulled out of me. Every
 thought I
 had ever had in my entire lifetime that was not loving was taken from
 me. To the point of thinking,gee I hate that little snot kid in school.
 Any even innocent little nagging feeling that I had ever had in all my
 years was taken out from me and then the glorious filling up that
 took
 place. Something descended and filled in those places that were
 emptied.
 Filled with a love that knocked me to my knees in its Power. I wrote of
 this to this list when I first joined.I choose the word pure because
 that is ITS aspect. Can you imagine having every single rotten even
 little childish innocent, not-so-nice thoughts taken from you? And
 then,,,,
 I did not fill myself. I was filled from something without that entered
 into the core atoms of my physical body and soul.It also involved the
 Sacred Heart. But that is probably my filtering from my training.
 
 
 
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