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Recieved: 1999/12/05 13:58
Subject: [K-list] [Martin] Vietnam Veterans Study .. 2
From: Christopher Wynter
On 1999/12/05 13:58, Christopher Wynter posted thus to the K-list:
Would you allow the possibility ..
or
dismiss it out of hand.
I am very aware of what you speak ..
including the nature of transferance ...
and projection from the therapist onto the client.
I also understand that conventional mainstream psychology
and psychotherapy has difficulties with this ..
but then, it wasn't so long ago that the Freudians
had difficulties with Jung
But I am also aware of many other case histories
within the clients I have worked with
for which there can really be no other explanation ..
and these cover everything from memories of war,
to sexual assault
to medical procedures ...
But you see, Martin, my field of experience is more than just
Transpersonal Psychology using "conventional tools"
I have also used pulsed light, pulsed tone and pulsed LFEMR
and some of the memories that have come out of cancer tumors
for example, have astounded everybody, including the client.
BTW . during these experiments, the client and therapist were
separated by a shielded room ... and there was no contact between them ...
the subtle energy emanations from the body
were electronically measured and recorded,
and the memories of the client taped (without external prompting ...)
The client was also fully conscious (registering normal brainwaves)
during the entire process.
Christopher Wynter
At 09:29 PM 12/5/99 , you wrote:
>23:10:32 Sat, 4 Dec 1999
>Christopher Wynter at Christopher Wynter <wynterATnospamone.net.au> writes:
> >Can you tell me, in your opinion
> >
> > How is it
> > the children remember ...?
>
>These sorts of strange phenomena are notoriously difficult to verify
>scientifically, because it is usually not possible to *prove* that the
>children have never heard or overheard the stories. There is evidence
>that some children remember things they heard whilst still in the womb,
>although how they remember that is not known since, I think, their
>brains have grown but are not properly finished until some time after
>they have been born, when the myelin sheaths develop around their
>nerves, and anyway, they haven't learned the language at that stage. The
>other side of the problem is what constitutes an "accurate" memory,
>since this is something that can only be assessed second-hand at best.
>Also, it is not possible, third-hand, to determine the amount of
>prompting the children get and how that may affect what they say (the
>"Clever Hans" phenomenon especially, where they can see how satisfied
>the questioner is with the answers given). It is well-known that, for
>instance, regression hypnotists looking for evidence of UFO abduction
>tend to find it, whilst those looking for evidence of childhood abuse
>tend to find that, and so on. Children are typically highly suggestible.
>Personally, I classify these sorts of things as "unknown" since although
>it would seem possible to explain them away with fairly straightforward
>explanations such as I've given, the explanations are also unproved.
>--
>Martin Thompson martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
>London, UK
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