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Recieved: 1999/12/05 12:45
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Endorphins discovered by a woman
From: Maureen Heffernan
On 1999/12/05 12:45, Maureen Heffernan posted thus to the K-list:
fredaannATnospamseatac.net wrote:
> Hi Maureen,
> The teacher of the course for the baptizm was a tiny sweet soft spoken
> nun, she and I
> hit it off and went out for lunch a number of times just to talk. On one
> of these
> occasions I asked her about the nuns, who, IMO were a bit nuts and
> crazed to
> tourture themselves so, and I asked her why they would be expected to do
> such a
> thing, it just didnt seem like the kind of thing a loving god would want
> one to do.
>
> Sr Terese explained that it wasnt for punishment, that they did so
> willingly.
>
> although
> I would imagine the peer pressure may have had a little something to do
> with it.
>
> She said it was 'a' way among many that nuns have used to
> * stengthen their resolve.... when they were faced with doubts
> * as a meditation, she 'said' it clears the mind
> * as a form of devotion, an exercise in denial of self.... (I think I
> got that right?)
~~*+M~*
Hi Fredaann, and thank you for the response. I follow you up to this
point.
> * most importantly, they used it as a means to bring "on" the holy
> spirit.
~~*+M~*
This is where it gets fuzzy.
> I was still freaked out by it. AT the time, her explaination did
> nothing to
> convience me that these practices were anything more than wierd
> religion.
~~*+M~*
Having been raised in a Catholic orphange, Catholic high school and
Catholic college I was very used to hearing and reading about goat hair
shirts ,prickly undies, and watching films of flagellation,levitation
etc.I was well acquainted as a child with kneeling in gravel for the
length of time it takes to say a rosary and at what decade the natural
pain killers kick in.Actually I was aware much before that as the
original family was extremely abusive so at age one, was very familiar
at navigating endorphin release and out of body experience. So, yeah nun
and priest stuff was a little off but not really.Also have studied about
the man who was the head of Opus Dei and the blood covered walls of the
bathroom that his assistants would have to clean etc. etc. I interpet
this as one level. Mind clearing or whatever. I do not believe the 3rd
person of the Trinity shows up for such. After physical mind clearing
through abuse there are more and other realms where Spirit contact is
made.I don't believe the endorphin release in my own brain is the same
as outside myself Holy Spirit entering.(I only write that because I am
knowledable of both.) Contact is also made using contemplation/deep
prayer without any of these penances. And what a clean and pure JOY it
is!
Our highest spiritual sources for this descent of the Holy Spirit are
Pentecost where a Divine Flame was seen above the head of Mary and the
Diciples. Don't think they were having an s=m party.(joking) I believe
the crown and charkas above the head were most activated along with the
heart.
I have studied this quite a bit over the years and will share
personally that I was horrified when my body began responding sexually
while I attended powerful Eucharistic celebrations of the Mass. To say
the least, I was in a dither.I now understand it.I now am past it. I
also recieved a bolt of Divine Heat entering my crown at my ordination
into the priesthood which shot down to the base of spine, proceeded up
to heart and went out the hands.Now, when I say Mass, at different times
I experience entering of the Holy Spirit.No, metal undies or tickling.
(You guys must be lovin this and laughing HA!) Seriously, what I am
trying to express is that since childhood I am aware of abuse,endorphin
release, OBE, hysterical laughter and ascension of ones spirit and the
descent of Holy Spirit. All I can say is, there is a difference. I will
also share as I did,I believe last November when my Bishop was out here
and we did a Confirmation that I and another lady who attended began
levitating. Scared me so much I immediately took us both down.I thought,
(from watching the Catholic films) that one had to be in a state of
ecstasy to have this happen. I was not ,,and not only that but believed
I was not worthy of such a happening.I was very aware and analysing
things while in levitation. My mind raced to reading about the positive
aspiration of ones spirit that physically uplifts it in a positive
attraction to its Source and the sorcerer who does the same in a
repulsing off the earth.How could I deserve this? Dither time again.Oh
yeah, giggling. I don't get it. I had wonderful fun raising my second
daughter,Autumn, who adored being tickled and when my hands wore out she
would continue herself. I agree that at a certain point she would not
have felt the difference if I had smacked her but Spirit? Just fun times
I think.
> in 1987 I had my appendex removed, I was rudely awakened during the
> surgery
> by intense pain, but I was unable to communicate it, I could not move,
snip
> what was pain previosly became a delightful massage, that 'seemed' to
> send
> waves of what I can only describe as pleasure...
~~*+M~*
Yes, I am familiar with this as I did natural childbirth. I also had
a spinal fusion of 5 vertebrae.And I could have murdered my twin sister
who tells them not to give me morphene because at 16 when I had a
pilaniodal cyst at base of spine removed that I was allergic to it and
very sensitive to drugs going from hysterical laughter to incredible
depression. I know what you're sharing but again this is not what I
experience as Holy Spirit. These are two different things, IMO.
> The instant I asked god to make it stop, it stopped. the pain, and the
> panic.
> something filled me, and it was NOT the anesthesia. I wasnt messed up on
> chemicals,
> I was in the hands of god and I KNEW it.
~~*+M~*
Do I interpet here that when you say something entered you that this
wass the endorphin release?
> anyway, that is how I think god drove my perception of the wierd nuns to
> something
> a little closer to something 'I' could understand.
> drastic measures, for a thick skulled chicken shit like myself.
> I dont find it so strange that the nuns did this kind of thing to bring
> on the spirit,
> repetition alone can change ones state of mind, no?
~~*+M~*
I agree.
repetition PLUS
> motivation/pain,
> throw in a little intent.... and it all seems perfectly reasonable. to
> me.
~~*+M~*
That there is endorphin release, yes I believe one must achieve other
and purer levels to have the Holy Spirit come and reside. I never
percieved of the "Great Paraclete, The Comforter" as a chemical release
in the brain.The only reason I say this is because I have experienced it
and I also have experienced the Arrival and descent and they are not the
same.(And believe me I joined this list one and a half years ago and
have talked privately with Angelique about this and have devoted many
hours to the url's she was kind enough to direct me to.) This is a
serious matter for me.
Thanking you for your time and input,
+ Maureen
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