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Recieved: 1999/12/04 12:28
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Endorphins discovered by a woman
From: Fredaann
On 1999/12/04 12:28, Fredaann posted thus to the K-list:
Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>
> Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> > Then understand why the Christian Flagellants, including Nuns in
> > convents for hundreds of years, flogged themselves during prayer
> > every
> > night. What we call "over the wall", they called "the descent of the
> > Holy
> > Spirit".
> ~~*+M~*
> Hello Angelique,
> This doesn't appear true to me. I have read some of the writings of
> these Nuns of the Monastic Orders from the Middle Ages and they do not
> equate endorphin release to the "descent of the Holy Spirit". Do you
> have different writings of theirs I might read ?
> Thank you,
> + Maureen
Hi Maureen,
I don't know about writings about this, but I do have an explaination by
a nun.
My ex is Roman Catholic, and we raised our four daughters in his
religion. Because I
am not Catholic, I was required before each was baptized to repeat,
repeat, repeat
the prep corses that new members went thru, this was to ensure I knew
the
approprte teachings so as not to confuse my children.
Shortly before my youngest was baptized I went to a psycic fair and a
lady there
read my past lives for me. She told me that I was once one of these nuns
who wore
scratchy undergarments and flogged myself. I was put off by this!!! and
rejected
the whole thing as sensationalizm, well the whole fair seemed that way,
to be honest.
The teacher of the course for the baptizm was a tiny sweet soft spoken
nun, she and I
hit it off and went out for lunch a number of times just to talk. On one
of these
occasions I asked her about the nuns, who, IMO were a bit nuts and
crazed to
tourture themselves so, and I asked her why they would be expected to do
such a
thing, it just didnt seem like the kind of thing a loving god would want
one to do.
Sr Terese explained that it wasnt for punishment, that they did so
willingly.
although
I would imagine the peer pressure may have had a little something to do
with it.
She said it was 'a' way among many that nuns have used to
* stengthen their resolve.... when they were faced with doubts
* as a meditation, she 'said' it clears the mind
* as a form of devotion, an exercise in denial of self.... (I think I
got that right?)
* most importantly, they used it as a means to bring "on" the holy
spirit.
I was still freaked out by it. AT the time, her explaination did
nothing to
convience me that these practices were anything more than wierd
religion.
in 1987 I had my appendex removed, I was rudely awakened during the
surgery
by intense pain, but I was unable to communicate it, I could not move,
I was in panic, at one point I got soooo overwhelmed by the pain/panic
that I screamed a prayer in my head at god... to make it stop! Please!
it didnt stop, it changed, and I changed, the pain became a no-thing,
my mind became clear, and I experienced the rest of the surgery fully
aware, but unable to move, I followed the proceedure from my minds eye,
what was pain previosly became a delightful massage, that 'seemed' to
send
waves of what I can only describe as pleasure.... when they wheeled me
into
recovery I was alive from head to toe with a most delightful warm glo.
I talked about this with the anestheologist, my surgeon, and my nurses,
they
insist this must have been from the medication, an illusion, a dream.
no, it wasnt. I know. I was there!!! but I was different. not my usual
self.
The instant I asked god to make it stop, it stopped. the pain, and the
panic.
something filled me, and it was NOT the anesthesia. I wasnt messed up on
chemicals,
I was in the hands of god and I KNEW it.
As much as I enjoy the buzz of a good pain pill, I didnt need them after
the 3rd
day I was home for the pain, I am not sure I needed them for the first
three even,
after the the 3rd day I just forgot to take them..... and when I
remembered them,
I realized that I 'felt' what may have been/should have been pain in the
area of
the surgery, but it didnt hurt, and I had no desire to change my clear
head to
a muddle.
I used the pain pills as a recreational a few months later.
anyway, that is how I think god drove my perception of the wierd nuns to
something
a little closer to something 'I' could understand.
drastic measures, for a thick skulled chicken shit like myself.
I dont find it so strange that the nuns did this kind of thing to bring
on the spirit,
repetition alone can change ones state of mind, no? repetition PLUS
motivation/pain,
throw in a little intent.... and it all seems perfectly reasonable. to
me.
sorry that took so much space....
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