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Recieved: 1999/12/01 11:07
Subject: Re: [K-list] carnivor vs herbivor
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/12/01 11:07, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Zala,
Oh Zala, please give it up
Love you, Wim
PS.
If you give this up, I can give this up as well.
Not that your deliberations have no value....
They ARE deliberations.... give them up
-----Original Message-----
From: Zala <s062723ATnospamstudent.uq.edu.au>
To: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundaliniATnospamList-Server.net <kundaliniATnospamList-Server.net>
Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] carnivor vs herbivor
>Interesting how so many of you try to trivialize an issue that involves
>immense
>suffering and degradation of numerous species.
>Working as a chef and boiling crayfish alive I had nightmares of being
>reincarnated on a planet of intelligent crayfish who debated the best ways
>of
>cooking human in order to maintain the flavor and tenderness of flesh. In
>these
>dreams I was always pleading with my captors that we are an intelligent
>species that suffers pain. Needles to say my pleas fell on deaf ears and
>I was nightly boiled alive.
>This "experience' eventually had me give up cooking as a profession and
>meat eating as a habit. I wonder how the human race would be judged by
>an advanced , intelligent species of invading aliens who found us to be
>'good
>eating' ?
>If ever judgment day arrives and The Almighty turns out to be a vegetarian
>are we in trouble .
>My only doubts involve questions as to the 'design' of our teeth - so
>obviously
>geared to meat eating efficiency.
>
>If I could bring myself to kill, as some American Indian tribes did, I
>could
>would eat meat. Many of these tribes believed that if you need to kill
>an animal for food you did so with respect and induced as little suffering
>as possible. They also believed that at the moment of releasing your
>arrow / spear you should visualize your victim as yourself reincarnated
>as that creature. That is you are killing yourself.
>We have sanitized and hidden the killing and suffering involved in meat
>eating to the extent that many children I have discussed the matter with
>hold the peculiar notion that meat is manufactured behind scenes at
>the supermarket. Often when the process of slaughter is explained to
>them they refuse to ever eat meat again (much to the horror of
>their parents.)
>Nutritional issues aside ( and they are serious and not often addressed
>by the vegetation community) isn't it time we all face up to the proven
>carcinogenic effects of a constant consumption of meat?
>From a yogic perspective it is often maintained that the consumption of
>meat agitates the nervous system and mitigates against effective sadhana.
>(I wonder if any empirical research has has been conducted into this
>claim?)
>
>In unforgiving moments I pray that consumers of poultry, pork,etc
>products
>obtained by battery farming are reborn a human battery farm to experience
>the
>horrors of such a life.
>
>The ecological arguments as to area of land required for meat production
>as
>compared to grain/vegitable consumption are often conducted on other news
>groups - given the perilous state of this planets' ecology this needs to
>be
>considered as well.(but probably not in this forum)
>
>As we have upset the natural species balance of this planet so thoroughly
>we must also ask ourselves how we would manage an environment in which
>the remaining animals were allowed to breed unhindered- ironically ,as
>experience
>in Australia has taught, this level of protection can, in itself, cause
>animal
>suffering
>through overpopulation - necessitating regular culling.
>
>Even though I am still capable of chomping onto a thick steak and enjoying
>it
>(35 years of inter species cannibalism are an in-grained taste) I cant
>bring
>myself to indulge.
>
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